Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11592 alt.alien.visitors:9000 sci.skeptic:30089 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!das.wang.com!wang!news From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Date: 31 Aug 92 08:48:16 GMT Message-ID: <2489@israel.nysernet.org> Followup-To: talk.religion.newage References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <64571@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 12 In <64571@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: >To all seekers of truth: You may have heard of Encounters of the third >kind but have you heard of the Encounters of the Gilled Kind. Which are often followed by Encounters of the Grilled Kind. Served with a green salad. Yum. -- /|/-\/-\ I'll leave you with this saying: |__/__/_/ SHHHH!! I hear SIX TATTOOED TRUCK-DRIVERS tossing ENGINE |warren@ BLOCKS into empty OIL DRUMS.. / nysernet.org Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnews!mvbth From: mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com (bernard.t.hebert) Subject: Maine Meteorite Sighting... Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:52:58 GMT Message-ID: <1992Aug31.155258.20961@cbnews.cb.att.com> Lines: 35 Hello, folks, Here's an interesting article from this morning's Boston Herald: METEORITE SPURS PLANE SEARCH 08/31/92 FREEPORT, Maine -- Authorities searched a wooded area near the Freeport- Brunswick town line for a plane that a motorist on Interstate 95 report- edly saw go down over the weekend. It turned out to be a false alarm. The motorist saw a large meteorite, not an airplane, according to a spokesman for the Freeport Police Department. The control tower at the Brunswick Naval Air Station reported sighting a low-flying meteorite passing over the same area at about 8:50 PM Saturday, the same time the motorist reported seeing a plane with flames shooting out, said Petty Officer Alan Priddy. Compiled from Herald staff and wire reports. __________________________________________________________________________ How many of you have seen a "Low Flying Meteorite" ? Is anybody on the NET from around there? How many "Authorities" searched how far, and what if anything, did they find ? B. T. Hebert || mvbth@mvgpk.att.com || DISCLAIMER: I REFUSE TO SPEAK AT&T Network Systems || ||FOR ANYBODY BUT MYSELF.AT TIMES N. Andover, MA 01940 || mvgpk!mvbth || I WON'T EVEN DO THAT. FIGURES... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!tellab5!jcj From: jcj@tellabs.com (JCJ) Subject: Re: Curious about authors' background Message-ID: <1992Aug31.134701.15729@tellab5.tellabs.com> Sender: news@tellab5.tellabs.com (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: sunl18 Organization: Huh? References: <1992Aug29.093348.19481@cbnews.cb.att.com> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:47:01 GMT Lines: 15 mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com writes: > > I have been perusing of late some books by Zecharia Sitchin. > Have any of you here in Alt.alien.visitors ever heard of this > person, and read any of his books ? >... No. > > Mr. Sitchin's theory is that we, the race of humans on Earth, were > created from some dumb animal about 400,000 to 450,000 years ago. > We were to mine ore from the Earth and serve the 'gods'. ... Curious. The "gods" have the technology to fly between stars but they need slaves to do manual labor in mines? Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!acd4!TEFS1!gvb From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) Subject: Re: in-body-experience Message-ID: <1992Aug31.144031.23707@acd4.acd.com> Keywords: obe Sender: news@acd4.acd.com (USENET News System) Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN References: <1992Aug25.214911.25965@news.mentorg.com> <1992Aug28.011453.22128@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:40:31 GMT Lines: 26 In article <1992Aug28.011453.22128@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes: >In article <1992Aug25.214911.25965@news.mentorg.com> tom_repasky@mentorg.com >writes: >[A bunch of horse-hockey deleted] > >Tom - it was an okay effort, but I think both Gary and John have you >outmatched. It was a very disjointed story, and used several >well-worn themes familiar to any SF/fantasy reader. > >A suggestion - plot out where you're going before you get there. Too >much seemed thrown in on the spur of the moment, as you were writing. > >If you expect anybody to actually believe this nonsense, try harder. > > RA NO! Don't listen to him, Tom. Even though I just about flamed you for having the stuff in this newsgroup ( I am one that beleives that a.a.v should be a serious discussion area), my enjoyment of the story kept me from it. If you copied the story from somewhere, thanx for typing. If you created it, do some more! Gregg. -- This .sig was prepared by a professional editor. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!mips!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !! Message-ID: <8vhna=h.garys@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:01:28 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> <92241.111251WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Aug31.131826.26993@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Lines: 43 timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () writes: >In article <92241.111251WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>, WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >|>Hey! Bush is sending the Army into Florida on the ruse of cleaning up after >|>the hurricane. Couldn't this be the start of Helter Skelter? Let's not be >|>hasty--August still has a couple of days to run. The UN may still make it >|>in time for the serious bloodshed (if they don't get pinned down in Bosnia). >|> >|>Bill Ellis FOAFtale News "Manson Was Right" >|> > Get a life Bill. Have you met Gary Stollman. You to would make a ^^ Timpson, learn how to spell!! At least consistently!! > great pair. Perhaps you two could start a news letter called > "Paranoids R Us" > Steve Food_for_the_Grays > >-- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | | > | My atheism, like that of Spinoza, is true piety towards the | > | universe and denies only gods fashioned by men in their own | > | image to be servants of their human interests. | > | | > | -- George Santayana | > | | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9006 alt.conspiracy:18121 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! Message-ID: <0vhnwhh.garys@netcom.com> Date: 31 Aug 92 17:03:34 GMT References: <43fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> <1992Aug31.140326.27643@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 33 timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () writes: >|>JOAN HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A CLONE FOR THE PAST MONTH NOW...I BELIEVE SHE >|>MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION...PHONES ARE COMPLETELY TAPPED OUT... >|> >|>-- >|>Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN > Joan! Is that the name of your left had or your right hand. ^^^ Once again, keep your mind on what you do!! >-- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > | | > | My atheism, like that of Spinoza, is true piety towards the | > | universe and denies only gods fashioned by men in their own | > | image to be servants of their human interests. | > | | > | -- George Santayana | > | | > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ? Message-ID: <1992Aug31.163728.26564@ntb.ch> Followup-To: Charles' Keywords: Siritual growth Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:37:28 GMT Lines: 12 Charles writes: "If you're talking spirituality, spiritual growth can only really come when you know where your next meal is coming from". What about people who went into the desert in order to attain spiritual growth by *not* knowing where there next meal was coming from? Regards, Paul Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!acetek.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !! Message-ID: <1992Aug31.183117.3930@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Lines: 35 Sender: usenet@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com (USENET News System) Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> <92241.111251WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Aug31.131826.26993@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <8vhna=h.garys@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:31:17 GMT In article <8vhna=h.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: |>> Get a life Bill. Have you met Gary Stollman. You to would make a |> ^^ |> Timpson, learn how to spell!! |> At least consistently!! |> |>> great pair. Perhaps you two could start a news letter called |> |>> "Paranoids R Us" |> |>> Steve Food_for_the_Grays Oh Gary! Your admonition has hurt me deeply. How will I ever recover? By the way didn't you know that Clones can't spell. (Consistantly that is) Give my best to Joan the Clone? YUK. YUK. Steve Cloned_food_for_the_Greys -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | | | My atheism, like that of Spinoza, is true piety towards the | | universe and denies only gods fashioned by men in their own | | image to be servants of their human interests. | | | | -- George Santayana | | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!engage.pko.dec.com!verga.enet.dec.com!stanley From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) Subject: Re: in-body-experience Message-ID: <1992Aug31.184104.23889@engage.pko.dec.com> Sender: newsdaemon@engage.pko.dec.com (USENET News Daemon) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:38:16 GMT Lines: 19 In article <1992Aug28.011453.22128@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes... >In article <1992Aug25.214911.25965@news.mentorg.com> tom_repasky@mentorg.com >writes: >[A bunch of horse-hockey deleted] > >Tom - it was an okay effort, but I think both Gary and John have you >outmatched. It was a very disjointed story, and used several >well-worn themes familiar to any SF/fantasy reader. > >A suggestion - plot out where you're going before you get there. Too >much seemed thrown in on the spur of the moment, as you were writing. > >If you expect anybody to actually believe this nonsense, try harder. > > RA He very clearly said it was FICTION. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!acd4!TEFS1!gvb From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) Subject: Re: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..' Message-ID: <1992Aug31.181048.24424@acd4.acd.com> Sender: news@acd4.acd.com (USENET News System) Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN References: <14671@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:10:48 GMT Lines: 74 In article <14671@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes: >> >> Dear oh dear oh dear...Who's being picking posts at random? >> Humans=evidence of sentient life in universe. >> Only one hell of a conceited bastard thinks that all the life in the entire >> unverse can be found in a thin layer of crap on the outside of a liquid steel >> ball. > > >All right, to pick a post at random... > >Why exactly does the realization that there must be other life in the universe >mean that this life MUST be visiting here? > >I understand humans=evidence of sentient life in universe. >I understand sentient life on Earth=probably sentient life elsewhere >I DON'T understand sentient life elsewhere=goofy grey aliens who cross the >millions of light years to get to Earth, only to make some crop circles, >mutilate a few cattle, and abduct a few people who were mentally unstable >anyway. > >It's a BIG universe, folks. What makes you think the aliens have any interest >in the Earth? What makes you think they've even FOUND it? Forget trivial >things like the light barrier, how about the sheer number of stars in a single >Galaxy? How do you fit in visits to 100 billion stars on your interstellar >journey, trying to find one that has semi-intelligent life? Our TV and radio >signals have only had a change to traverse a sphere of a radius of 60 light >years or so. That's a tiny fraction of the galaxy. Why do we think that >humans are so important that they deserve any alien's full attention? Unless >they have monitoring stations every 50 light-years apart throughout the entire >galaxy, they wouldn't even know we are HERE! > > >-- >Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world. >mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars >---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply >aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless >---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards." >Stealth Sig#42 | --From "N-Man #3" You mention that there are 100 billion star system in our galaxy. Some estimate 400 billion. I will use an average of 250 billion to base my calculations on. Bear in mind that if aliens were, like us, looking for life in other star systems they would have a tremendous job ahead of them. If you knew what to listen for as far as RF radiation, your job would be much easier. But, if you are just looking, like with optic base tools, your job is almost impossible. If you were examining, say, 100 individial systems a day it would take you (based on 250 million star systems) about 684,931.5 years to examine them all. Now, if there is only one other detectable life form, it would probably only take you 1/4 that long using some kind of educated guess about where to concentrate your search. This would work out work out to be 171,232.9 years. You would be overcomplementing me if you said these were the roughest of estimations. They are the roughest of the roughest. Anyway you look at it, it could take you a long, long, LLLLLLooooooNNNNNNggggg time to find life. However, many factors that play into this are: Everything we are looking at, according to present theories, is old. Minimum, 4 years, maximin of many thousands. Another factor may be that aliens have *BEEN* looking for us for 684,931.5 years and found us. I would imagine that a species, as they become more technically advanced, would also be able to search faster and more reliably. So, maybe we have been found, maybe not. My point is, its a big universe and even if we stuck out like a dayglow orange ball in a pile of black ones, it would still take a long time to see us. Kinda like looking for a needle in a haystack the size of the sun. Gregg. -- This .sig was prepared by a professional editor. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!acd4!TEFS1!gvb From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) Subject: Re: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..' Message-ID: <1992Aug31.184159.24550@acd4.acd.com> Sender: news@acd4.acd.com (USENET News System) Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN References: <18336.2a92cd51@levels.unisa.edu.au> <1992Aug29.054113.20385@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:41:59 GMT Lines: 32 In article <1992Aug29.054113.20385@u.washington.edu> Bob Jacobson writes: >In article <18336.2a92cd51@levels.unisa.edu.au> , >9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au writes: >>OK No evidence for All Powerfull Entities etc, BUT their is concrete >>evidence for the existance of aliens and there is a good possibility >>of abductions etc. This evidence is all around you. Infact, one of > >I am the originator of the Whitley Streiber thread. It's amazing how >quickly and sharply the topic can drift. I had a simple question: could >anyone confirm that W.S. had admitted fabricating his famous supposedly >true UFO books (Communion and Transformation). I thus far haven't >received a definitive reply from this group of experts. Anybody know? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :-) ;-> :-> Got a good laugh out of this. Anyone that would mistake this "group" as experts is totally and completely mis- un- or dis- informed. However, to answer your question, no. I have heard nothing. A am currently reading a book "The Omega Project" by Kenneth Ring, PH.D. The forward in the book is was written by W.S. Its copyright date is 1992. I would assume that this serious of a book would not pick W.S. to write the forward is such a thing had happened. Unless, of course, it has happened since the book was published. Gregg. -- This .sig was prepared by a professional editor. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: alien interest in us Keywords: interested in us? Message-ID: Date: 31 Aug 92 19:17:42 GMT References: <1992Aug31.094915.6793@ntb.ch> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 37 In article <1992Aug31.094915.6793@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: > >Charles asks why "they" should be interested in us. > >According to Timothy Good's new book "Alien Liaison", we humans are called >"containers" by the greys, which he (If I remember correctly) interpreted as >meaning "containers of souls", and suggested that maybe the greys weren't. At >least then we'd have one reason for their interest, and also an explanation >for their "breeding experiments". > Regards, Paul. > >Paul Milsom >milsom@ntb.ch >Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland I feel the really interesting aspect of this notion is that the greys, or the military, by decoding the human genome, could clone us "containers". The rub is "how do you install a soul?". The idea that you could copy or transfer the animating qualities of life into a duplicate of the original is pretty essoteric, and you can bet the government loves the esoteric a hell of a lot more than they will ever let on... Clone troops? Clone "expendable" test pilots? Clone slaves? The true measure of a civilization is not the level of technology they develop or come to posses, but what that civilization as a whole does with it. Once humanity can create life of a sentient level, will we have developed the spiritual level of wisdom to know how to use this power? In other words, will we enslave it, or will we nuture it as we would our own children? This is truley profound question, because it deals with the level of our culture and it's priorities/value systems, and the lagging humility that is needed in order not to prostitute new technology that could lead to the extinction of our race on earth. I guess that is why Rodenberry has focused on it so much... Jeff- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!payner From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <2zhnkch.payner@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:27:13 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: Lines: 40 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: > >I just got this in the mail. I'm a regular contributor to >the 700 club and am kind of worried. It sounds incredible >but I saw some other posts on this channel from the >Awareness so I don't know what to think. >_____ > >ATTENTION: FASCISTS HAVE CHANGED PLANS BUT THE DANGER HAS NOT PASSED! > YOUR LOVED ONES ARE IN ACUTE DANGER! A NEW PLAGUE AND A > ROUND UP OF AMERICANS WILL BE THE FIRST SIGN! > >THIS IS NO JOKE! On July 4,1992, at a UFO convention in Arcadia, >California, Mr. Michael Younger, a member of the super-secret COM-12 group >and a scientist who worked at Groom Lake, Area 51 in Nevada, stunned the >audience of over 200 people with the incredible information. Tens of >thousands of people received the warning and forced the conspirators to >change plans. > >After hearing of this conspiracy MW31 decided to follow up on a source we >had on the backburner what we found was in shocking agreement with Michael >Younger's find. Our source managed to sneak several disks to us (supposedly >containing Tetris). This should be enough to stop the conspiricy. Admitting to piracy on the net will bring the wrath of god upon them (so to speak). >-- > | In God We Trust | Err, not me. >--+-- --+-- > | | > | | Rich payner@netcom.com Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!bcstec!kuryakin From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?) Message-ID: <3514@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: 31 Aug 92 17:13:20 GMT References: <1992Aug23.193631.21074@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> <1647@sousa.ltn.dec.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Boeing Lines: 19 In article <1647@sousa.ltn.dec.com> hedron::daveb writes: >I'm not saying I believe in a coverup, but I admit the possibility. > I don't think they covered it up as well as most claim... I'm told that Reagan spoke of the possibility of an attack from space no less than four times. Very few noticed... I'll try to track down the actual times he did... Rick -- Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program. | Seattle, WA | It wastes your time | and annoys the droid. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?) Message-ID: <1992Aug31.205726.14503@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. References: <1992Aug23.193631.21074@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> <1647@sousa.ltn.dec.com> <3514@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:57:26 GMT Lines: 31 In article <3514@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes: >In article <1647@sousa.ltn.dec.com> hedron::daveb writes: >>I'm not saying I believe in a coverup, but I admit the possibility. > >I don't think they covered it up as well as most claim... Supposed moon activities: Go to your local university where they have a telescope, ask the person who runs the telescope to take a quick look the next time he/she uses it. If something is going on they will be more than happy to write a paper on it, after all thats how you get tenure :-) >I'm told that Reagan spoke of the possibility of an attack from >space no less than four times. Wouldn't be surprised, Reagan has spent more time in space than all US astronauts combined :-) >Very few noticed... Probably was something he mumbled in his sleep during one of those long cabinet meetings. >I'll try to track down the actual times he did... Don't bother the NSA went around and blacked out all copies in existance :-) -- >>Unix/C Contract worker available 5 years C/unix work experience<< ______ Available for Telecommuting/Travel and contracts on the T Line \ / in the Boston MA area. Send me e-mail for a copy of my Resume. \ / -- VWIS 508-793-9568 (2400 baud), Linux support BBS.-- \/ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <1992Aug31.210757.14743@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. References: Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:07:57 GMT Lines: 67 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: > >I just got this in the mail. I'm a regular contributor to >the 700 club and am kind of worried. I'd be worried to, take the money and buy yourself a clue. I hear sears is having a 1/2 price clue sale this month. >It sounds incredible >but I saw some other posts on this channel from the >Awareness so I don't know what to think. I doubt the awareness is even aware of where its last hit of acid came from :-) > First some background, aliens have been among us for 50 years slowly >gaining control of the media and building sources of income. Elvis was the first alien! >We discovered >that Aliens have been posing as TV preachers, with the highly advanced >technology of the aliens they have little problem convincing people with >fake miracle healings. I thought they did it with smoke and mirrors. > The conspiracy decided to play the CBN card, beginning in mid August >subliminal messages where added to CBN broadcasting. No they say "send money, send money now!!!!". > Regrettably our files do not say for certain, but we have good reason to >believe that Pat Robertson is one of the Alien false prophets. Our analysis >of tapes from the Republican convention shows the presence of powerful >subliminal messages during Robertson's speech. We where unable to isolate >them electronically, however with great prodding we obtained the use of a >PET scan machine. The results where frightening, Pat Robertson's speech was >setting off TEN TIMES the more brain activity than the greatest speeches of >Adolf Hitler and Stalin! To make matters even more frightening it was >effecting areas used for subconscious, while having little effect on >conscious thought. It is like the difference between cocoa leaves and >purified cocaine! If not for the PET scan we would not even have known it >was there! I think your brain map is mixed up you where looking at the gag reflex centers. >URGENT: MAKE 30 COPIES AND MAIL TO MEDIA, POLITICIANS, CHURCHES, ORGANIZATIONS. >POST ON BULLETIN BOARDS, PASS OUT TO CITIZENS IN THE STREETS! TIME IS RUNNING >OUT!!!! ACT NOW!!! >-- > | In God We Trust | And for sex we lust :-) >--+-- --+-- > | | > | | Urgent make 30 copiers and drop on media, politions, and churchs! -- >>Unix/C Contract worker available 5 years C/unix work experience<< ______ Available for Telecommuting/Travel and contracts on the T Line \ / in the Boston MA area. Send me e-mail for a copy of my Resume. \ / -- VWIS 508-793-9568 (2400 baud), Linux support BBS.-- \/ Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30148 alt.alien.visitors:9017 talk.religion.newage:11599 Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!wupost!tulane!rouge!USLVM.USL.EDU!CCEN077 From: CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> Sender: anon@usl.edu (Anonymous NNTP Posting) Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana References: <64216@cup.portal.com> <37139@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <64745@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:38:51 GMT Lines: 28 In article <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> davgot@auto-trol.com (David Gottner) writes: > >In article <64745@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: >>RA says >> >>...So this means that our DNA is constructed from >>three sources, our own past, and our biological parents. The other factor >>involved in this is that past, unresolved emotions survive death and come >>in with us to be embedded in our DNA. So it is possible that some of our >>biggest emotional problems could have originated in past lives.. > >Some ET's that I work with told me this also, but I have a hard time >with this one. > >According to what we know about genetics, all of your DNA comes >from ones parents. There is no provision for past life memories >to be recorded in the DNA. > >So, how are past memories imprinted on the DNA? >-- >Amrit Prem | The memories of all of each person's ancestors is passed on through the DNA; not past lives per se, but the complete history of our genes. Ellen Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9018 alt.conspiracy:18122 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!ubc-cs!mala.bc.ca!oneb!kmcvay From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! Message-ID: <1992Aug31.200051.21114@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date: 31 Aug 92 20:00:51 GMT References: <43fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> <1992Aug31.140326.27643@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <0vhnwhh.garys@netcom.com> Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA Lines: 11 In article <0vhnwhh.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: > Once again, keep your mind on what you do!! He can't - we substituted a clone for him last week, knowing you wouldn't be able to tell the difference (you never have before). -- | "The floors of Sobibor's gas chambers were constructed to tilt, like the | body of a dump truck, so that stacks of corpses slid out smoothly." [Abram | L. Sachar. The Redemption of the Unwanted. New York: St. Martin's/Marek, | 1983. p. 43] == The Old Frog's Almanac == Vancouver Island == CANADA == Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!bcstec!kuryakin From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: 31 Aug 92 20:19:15 GMT References: Organization: Boeing Lines: 24 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >ATTENTION: FASCISTS HAVE CHANGED PLANS BUT THE DANGER HAS NOT PASSED! Hmmmm. Methinks that if the grays were so all-powerful, they would have had this Michael Younger character whacked and buried. If the "conspiracy" was aware that we, the public, were onto their plans, then they could: 1. Identify Mr Younger because of all the posts containing his name. 2. Track him down 3. Plant subliminals to get people to turn him if he's hiding 4. Turn him into a vegetable or brainwashing him into confessing he made all this up. Get real. -- Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program. | Seattle, WA | It wastes your time | and annoys the droid. Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30159 alt.alien.visitors:9020 talk.religion.newage:11601 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <1992Aug31.195327.18419@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 31 Aug 92 19:53:27 GMT References: <64216@cup.portal.com> <37139@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <64745@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 42 Don - you seem to have missed the point of my question. I will repeat it again, and again ask for clarification. I asked: >>It seems you have a much different definition of DNA from the vast majority >>of biologists and chemists. Perhaps we need to come to an agreement on >>what DNA is. Please include a brief discussion on how DNA being >>'non-physical' is _not_ a contradiction in terms. I'd quote your reply in full, but it's fairly long, and totally unresponsive. You discuss past lives, and baldly state that past life experience can influence the structure of our DNA. You offer no evidence to back up this assertion. You then go into a discussion of how our past-life experiences can affect our current-life personality. Again, you baldly state this, offering no evidence other than what you purport to have discovered via your 'breathing' sessions. I'm not sure how all this relates to a definition of 'non-physical DNA', in any event. As much as I'd like to, I'll avoid going off on the tangent of the validity of 'past-life' experiences. Instead, I will stick to my original question. You asserted (if memory serves, from information received from a channeller, channelling from an alien) that some people have 3-stranded DNA. When challenged on this, you amended this to say 'perhaps the DNA is non-physical' (paraphrased). When asked for a definition of 'non-physical DNA', you rambled about 'past lives'. But _nowhere_ have I seen any mention of what in the world 'non-physical DNA' is. From my (admittedly very limited) knowledge of biology and chemistry, DNA is a molecule. It is a huge and complex molecule, and in some way it defines our physical makeup. In shape, it resembles a spiral staircase - two heli twined about each other. This is my (very rough) definition of DNA. Please explain something of your definition. If you could, include discussion of how a molecule can be 'non-physical'. I've rambled and repeated myself a bit myself - I apologize for that. If I have misrepresented anything you have said, my apoligies for that as well. I eagerly await a response. RA Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30160 alt.alien.visitors:9021 talk.religion.newage:11602 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Tesla, Mushrooms, and other Silliness Message-ID: <1992Aug31.201043.18487@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 31 Aug 92 20:10:43 GMT References: <37139@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <64745@cup.portal.com> <64758@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 17 In article <64758@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: >RA says >>Note the "could". I could be the Queen of England , too. >>STOP EATING MUSHROOMS !!!! > >Well since you brought it up. And since communicating with Tesla and/or the >Pleiadians seems a little to much. How about what those mushrooms have to >say. Let me quote them. [A lot of way cool silliness about cosmic mushrooms deleted] Don - I don't remember writing the Q of E bit...sure it was me? Also - you never did tell me what startling inventions Tesla channeled through the little old ladies. Or does he (as I surmised) just ramble about how things are 'nice' on the 'other side', with maybe the odd lost-watch-finding on the side? RA Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Tesla Message-ID: <1992Aug31.203700.18633@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 31 Aug 92 20:37:00 GMT References: <3ZP7PB1w164w@amigans.gen.nz> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 19 In article <3ZP7PB1w164w@amigans.gen.nz> ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto) writes: >I have enjoyed the discussion regarding Tesla. What >surprises me is that the skeptics et al have not debunked >him. Why is this? After all he is such a target. Could it be >that his genius intimidates those erudite conservatives that >infest this nest? >The fact is, without AC power, this medium along with the >rest of the modern world would not exist ; without the >contribution of this "crackpot". Humiliating isn't it? What >say ye now ye upholders of the scientific banion. By any >definition of the term Tesla was not a scientist. >What you learn in books is merely instructional - nihilists >have to learn that they are the parasites of the Earth. Ed - so you'd be of the opinion that Tesla _did_ in fact get some of his ideas telepathically from pigeons (as he claimed)? RA Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Fiction Message-ID: <1992Aug31.210403.18765@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 31 Aug 92 21:04:03 GMT References: <1992Aug27.201903.4797@news.mentorg.com> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 13 In article <1992Aug27.201903.4797@news.mentorg.com> tom_repasky@mentorg.com writes: [plot for a bad TV sci-fi series deleted] Tom - the first post was OK. The second one showed little improvement. But this one was really bad. I'd keep my day job if I were you. >God. Talk about conceited...and misinformed. Everybody knows _I'm_ God :-). RA Xref: icaen alt.conspiracy:18125 alt.alien.visitors:9024 talk.politics.guns:39044 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!bu.edu!transfer!sw.stratus.com!cdt From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: FILE: UFO OCTOBER SURPRISE - C.A.C. part 2/2 Keywords: NAZI WORLD TAKEOVER PLAN - NEW WORLD ORDER Message-ID: <6051@transfer.stratus.com> Date: 31 Aug 92 23:36:42 GMT References: <1992Aug29.193917.15933@bilver.uucp> Sender: usenet@transfer.stratus.com Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 41 In article <1992Aug29.193917.15933@bilver.uucp>, dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes: > ----UFO NAZI OCTOBER SURPRISE - CAC part 2-------------------------------- > Ones of the Nazi's many propaganda posters > chose over as long a period of time as they desired, thus, > this Doctor, working with 300 elite scientists on these > projects, developed a certain drug that could be used on > children, whereby severe pain and torture, where the child > would normally black out, and become unconscious, the > doctor could administer or inject the drug and it would > keep the child from blacking out, and thus the doctor > could then inflict greater pain, going far beyond the thresh- > old of human endurance, which in turn would allow the > mind of the child to become totally wiped out, a total blank > so that the child forgot identity, forgot personal identity, > forgot even how to add or subtract or carry on conversation. Forgot how to punctuate, how to avoid run-on sentences, forgot even how to communicate ideas coherently. > Flea or Fight. That is the Question I suspect a bath is the answer. > It is > important to you all to review what Awareness indicated in the > "Gathering Storm" material, in regard to the consequences of > your soul, should you willingly accept the mark of the Beast. > The true nature of the Beast is revealed: it is the Reptoids from > Draco who will attempt to enslave mankind and our Earth, with > the aid of the Nazi conspirators. Tune in next week for our exciting conclusion. > "A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free" - Thomas Jefferson And yet, by inspection, it's apparently happened. -- cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11603 alt.alien.visitors:9025 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!jkc3 Organization: Penn State University Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:38:36 EDT From: Joe Carlson Message-ID: <92244.183836JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage References: <64309@cup.portal.com> <64358@cup.portal.com> <92237.232551JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu> Lines: 20 In article , jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) says: >In article <92237.232551JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu> JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu (Joe Carlson) >writes: >>I think you need to get your story straight....You mention a 4 yr old >>and the 2 large wolves, and then you say there were just the 3 of you >>2 of your boys, 10 and 11 yrs of age, I believe, and one that you left >>sitting at the tree line. Surely you wouldn't leave a 4 yr old alone >>at the tree line and travel 3 miles plus up the mountain...so >>I think I've reached the conclusion that you are full of bull feces! >> >>"Beware false Prophets" which I think you are. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >John is a deeply religous man and I think until he starts claiming he is >Jesus Christ, we could do without these personal attacks... >Jeff- Oh, this wasn't a personal attack,just an opinion....and I think we could do without you, but again, it's just my opinion. Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30166 alt.alien.visitors:9026 talk.religion.newage:11604 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!grip.cis.upenn.edu!jmv From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Re: Tesla, Mushrooms, and other Silliness Message-ID: <87542@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 1 Sep 92 00:01:53 GMT References: <37139@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <64745@cup.portal.com> <64758@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug31.201043.18487@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: sci.skeptic Organization: GRASP Lab Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu In article <1992Aug31.201043.18487@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes: > In article <64758@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: > >RA says > >>Note the "could". I could be the Queen of England , too. > >>STOP EATING MUSHROOMS !!!! > > > >Well since you brought it up. And since communicating with Tesla and/or the > >Pleiadians seems a little to much. How about what those mushrooms have to > >say. Let me quote them. > [A lot of way cool silliness about cosmic mushrooms deleted] > > Don - I don't remember writing the Q of E bit...sure it was me? > Also - you never did tell me what startling inventions Tesla channeled > through the little old ladies. Or does he (as I surmised) just ramble > about how things are 'nice' on the 'other side', with maybe the odd > lost-watch-finding on the side? > > RA Well, Don should stop eating those damn mushrooms too. *I* said I could be the Queen of England. In fact, as everybody including Gary Stollman know, I'm the Clone of Elizabeth. I'm planning to take her place in September and continue the "Hot August Nights" plan (which will be called "Warm September 5 o'clocks") by instigating riots in Liverpool (I'll sing "Anarchy in UK" live and naked. Sure it'll be enough). See you there, J "God save the Clones" M. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <1992Sep1.002927.17559@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. References: <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:29:27 GMT Lines: 42 In article <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes: >In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >>ATTENTION: FASCISTS HAVE CHANGED PLANS BUT THE DANGER HAS NOT PASSED! > >Hmmmm. Methinks that if the grays were so all-powerful, they would >have had this Michael Younger character whacked and buried. But what he doesn't tell you is that his secret group of scientists use Grey away (tm) (comming soon to a supermarket near you). This is just the start of the advertising campaign for this wonder spray (doubles as deoderant). >If the "conspiracy" was aware that we, the public, were onto their >plans, then they could: > >1. Identify Mr Younger because of all the posts containing his name. His group of scientists have connections at the NSA and removed his name from all exisiting databases. >2. Track him down And get sprayed with Grey away? >3. Plant subliminals to get people to turn him if he's hiding But the Awareness already planted counter subliminals in everyones mind who would know where he is. >4. Turn him into a vegetable or brainwashing him into confessing he > made all this up. What makes you think they haven't already turned him into a vegetable :-) >Get real. Greys are already real so how can they get any realler :-) -- >>Unix/C Contract worker available 5 years C/unix work experience<< ______ Available for Telecommuting/Travel and contracts on the T Line \ / in the Boston MA area. Send me e-mail for a copy of my Resume. \ / -- VWIS 508-793-9568 (2400 baud), Linux support BBS.-- \/ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!lynx!apsicc.aps.edu!jim From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) Subject: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Message-ID: <31AUG199218140601@apsicc.aps.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 01:14:00 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center Keywords: Conspiracy, Aliens, Greys News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 15 To all of you who feel that aliens are trying to introduce themselves to us via subtle means. I was lookint a new issue of a high quality photography magazine dealing with studio setups, etc., when I saw near the front of the magazine an advertisement for, of all things, American Express. In the ad there was a supposed picture of a alien being (large almond shaped eyes, etc.) holding up an American Express card. This looks like more _evidence_ of introduction and preperation for you folks. ====================================================================== We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty... Twain Internet: jim@apsicc.aps.edu Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager ====================================================================== Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30167 alt.alien.visitors:9029 talk.religion.newage:11605 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!payner From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <=9hn3bp.payner@netcom.com> Date: 1 Sep 92 00:45:12 GMT References: <64745@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 42 In article <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU writes: >In article <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> >davgot@auto-trol.com (David Gottner) writes: > >> >>In article <64745@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: >>>RA says >>> >>>...So this means that our DNA is constructed from >>>three sources, our own past, and our biological parents. The other factor >>>involved in this is that past, unresolved emotions survive death and come >>>in with us to be embedded in our DNA. So it is possible that some of our >>>biggest emotional problems could have originated in past lives.. >> >>Some ET's that I work with told me this also, but I have a hard time >>with this one. >> >>According to what we know about genetics, all of your DNA comes >>from ones parents. There is no provision for past life memories >>to be recorded in the DNA. >> >>So, how are past memories imprinted on the DNA? >>-- >>Amrit Prem | > >The memories of all of each person's ancestors is passed on through the DNA; >not past lives per se, but the complete history of our genes. It seems that even if this were possible, the memorys could not extend beyond those available during the mating. I would tend to think that this would give mostly the memories from 15-25 year old males, hardly the wisdom of the ages. I assume that female memories would have the same restriction. I guess the brain must be mostly a waste, since it's entire content can easily be encoded in a few strands of DNA. How do the memories get into the DNA? > Ellen Rich payner@netcom.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!world!believer From: believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) Subject: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:34:49 GMT Lines: 14 How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of the followers of satan. I was tricked into spreading the lies. I read of the Awareness, it is secular humanist newage garbage and I want no part of it. Beware all thats super natural that is not of GOD is of satan! The beings you channel to are demons. Repent of demon worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ. -- | In God We Trust | --+-- --+-- | | | | Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!access.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!rutkows From: rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski) Subject: Re: Latest NAICCR info on crop circles Message-ID: <1992Aug31.200251.13843@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Keywords: north america, crop circles, NAICCR Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1992Aug26.143352.9836@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <3Tc0PB4w165w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:02:51 GMT Lines: 41 In <3Tc0PB4w165w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn) writes: >> >>920815 Strathclair, Manitoba >> >>- a flattened area of wheat in the shape of the symbol for Mars was >> >>discovered west of Strathclair. The main circel was 24 feet in >> >>diameter. The wheat was flattened in a counterclockwise fashion. The >> >>arrow pointed on a bearing of 120 degrees. >> >>Source: NAICCR > >Are we saying that other beings know what "our" symbol for Mars is?? Hunh? >Has anyone took these crop circles to someone who knows "hyrogliphics" >(spelling I know) ??? You would think that one of these guys could >convert them or tell us what they mean. Yes. Steve Canada has written about ten articles about interpretations of the crop heiroglyphics. So has Eric Beckjord and a number of others. Some experts think they're symbols in ancient Hebrew, Egyptian, Sumerian aand Celtic. Trouble is, who's right? >Anyway, thanks for the report, and keep it up, it would be nice to get >"GIF" files of these and others, and maybe some close up of the >bending of the crops & stuff. We don't have aerial shots of the Strathclair batch. That's why most of the GIFS available are of the British ones. >You guys can also tell just about how long ago they were made by >logging when the return to a normal condition. It should be about >8 hours or so, and may depend on temp and humidity just a bit (you can >log them too). Then you can tell just about the TIME when they were made >and maybe you can see a particular time that these are created at night. Uh - no. Once the circles are made, they're made! They do NOT spring back up! Nice idea, though. -- Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca Royal Astronomical Society of Canada University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: more whittley streiber Message-ID: <1992Sep1.091511.7174@ntb.ch> Followup-To: Question of fiction Keywords: Whitley Strieber / fiction Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1992Aug29.054113.20385@u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:15:11 GMT Lines: 15 Bob Jacobson: You say: I had a simple question: could anyone confirm that W.S. had admitted fabricating his famous supposedly true UFO books (Communion and Transformation). I thus far haven't received a definitive reply from this group of experts. Anybody know? He *does* admit that his latest book (Majestic) is "a work of fiction that is based on fact", but I've only heard him claiming Communion and Transformation to be the truth. Cheers, Paul Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!scicom!paranet!p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening Message-ID: <140078.2AA23D2E@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 31 Aug 92 15:28:01 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - I was regressed once by Dr. John Mack at his home in Mass. We were > investigating a particular incident that seemed a bit odd, but where I > had > no conscious memory of anything unusual happening, except that there was > a > time anomoly, ie: it appeared that I had lost a couple hours of time. My [rest deleted] This is a nice testimonial, but the problem is that until others in the field of psychology can review your tapes, charts and whatever else Mack did, no one, including yourself, can make the determination that he followed professional standards and ethics. I am not saying that Dr. Mack did not, but I am saying that peer review is a necessary procedure in scientific methodology. Perhaps you would care to have a second opinion? BTW, how long ago was this? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: more whitley strieber Message-ID: <1992Sep1.100238.11119@ntb.ch> Followup-To: Dave Keywords: "Serious" group Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1659@sousa.ltn.dec.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:02:38 GMT Lines: 44 re: Your question, Dave. You quote: |> [...] Why does this newsgroup seem to attract so many nut |> cases? and: >Because of the groups name alt.ALIEN.VISITORS. >Several of us have tried to create a new "serious" news group, and the >response has always been overwhelmingly apathetic. Maybe someday... and you say: "Hopefully I'm not one of the nut cases, however, since the skeptics and the nut cases seem to be deeply invested in bashing each other it's difficult for someone like myself, who MAY be an abductee to discuss anything in here. I've had skeptics bash me in personal mail, insisting that ANY explanation is better than "abductions". Talk about un-open minds. I don't claim that little grey aliens mess with me in the night, I do claim to have many of the symptoms that abductees report and the abduction explanation is just one of many that I'm trying on for size. It makes life interesting, yet some folk insist on being really boring." I think that the answer is that some of us are regarded as nut cases because we have great difficulty breaking out of our thought-patterns. So if we don't believe in UFOs, democracy, etc., we're never going to believe in them (and we're going to convince the world that we're right, because, my God, if we're *not* right.. ,well, that's too scary to think about). Others are too open-minded to criticize (and I cringe to think of the people and ideas I was ridiculing just a couple of years ago!) and are also regarded as nut-cases, because they don't say they disbelieve, and are therefore regarded as believing anything. I started reading here about a month ago, and it made me sad to see so much skull-bashing going on. However, I've been fascinated by some of the entries, like by Garry S and Tom R, and I've begun to really enjoy the more witty replies. I loved the one to the greys "having bread with human stock", and although I make typing errors myself, I don't think this kind of reply is malevolent. I think I myself prefer this diversity to real serious stuff. I was sorry to hear that people had sent you personal Email to bash you. (You can always copy their letters and publish them here as a deterrent.) I believe that some abductions are real, but I really couldn't help you with that one. I remember some poor chap getting his head bashed (although some did come to his support) for talking about Bigfoot, but at least I would now know there was at least one sympathetic reader on the net if either of these things happened to me. Maybe someone will be replying to you soon when it's happened to *them*? Cheers, Paul Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!usage!syacus!steven From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) Subject: Re: Alien in a bar. Message-ID: <1992Aug31.231116.21116@syacus.acus.oz.au> Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney References: <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:11:16 GMT Lines: 9 Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes: : : A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman : claiming to be an alien. Must have been Kim Basinger! Steve Malikoff. steven@syacus.acus.oz.au Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!seagoon.newcastle.edu.au!cc.newcastle.edu.au!c8838228 From: c8838228@cc.newcastle.edu.au (DO YOU HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) Subject: Re: Alien in a bar. Message-ID: <1992Sep1.201446.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> Lines: 24 Sender: news@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA References: <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:14:46 GMT In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes: > > A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman > claiming to be an alien. > She said that she was an incorporeal being from another dimension who > decided to inhabit a human infant and grow up in our culture. The > reason for this is that her colleagues were going to destroy the earth > in 1997 because of mankinds potential to develope interdimensional > transport (they also think that we are sick and disgusting, no suprise > there). > She is of the opinion that we have some redeming qualities and does > not want us to be destroyed just yet. > Believe it or not, this is not fiction. Has anyone else heard of > incorporeal biengs in human bodies wanting to destroy the earth? Sounds kinky to me . Did you get her number ? Adios. Minc. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!sousa.ltn.dec.com!hawk1.enet.dec.com!bottom From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Maine Meteorite Sighting... Message-ID: <1664@sousa.ltn.dec.com> Date: 1 Sep 92 11:28:34 GMT References: <1992Aug31.155258.20961@cbnews.cb.att.com> Sender: newsa@sousa.ltn.dec.com Reply-To: hedron::daveb Distribution: na Organization: ASO IM operations Lines: 20 B. T. Hebert writes: > Is anybody on the NET from around there? How many "Authorities" > searched how far, and what if anything, did they find ? I live in Maine, this ran in yesterday's local papers other than that I didn't hear a thing. Although it sounds odd (low flying meteorite) it was probably just a flamer coming down in the woods somewhere. I've seen then before up this way. -- /dave +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ESP, Steinberger, Fender, Kitty Hawk, Rivera, Rocktron, Alesis, Tascam, | | Metaltronix, EMG, Semour Duncan, D'Addario rock on! | | Midi rack pukes do it with 16 channels | | The Sea refuses no river... | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!acetek.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () Subject: Re: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <1992Sep1.131024.19788@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Lines: 43 Sender: usenet@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com (USENET News System) Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:10:24 GMT In article , believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: |>How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of |>the followers of satan. I was tricked into spreading the lies. |> Well me thinkth that its to late to kill. This message has been diseminated everywhere by now. Particularly by me I have posted it elsewhere. |>I read of the Awareness, it is secular humanist newage garbage and I want |>no part of it. Beware all thats super natural that is not of GOD is of satan! |>The beings you channel to are demons. |> |>Repent of demon worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ. |> Oh God not another doom and gloomer. Not only do we have paranoids that claim Aliens and the US Guvment are going to take us out now we have someone who is claiming that God is going to take us out. |>-- |> | In God We Trust | |>--+-- --+-- |> | The rest pay cash | |> | | |> May the force be with you Steve Food_for_the_Grays -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | | | My atheism, like that of Spinoza, is true piety towards the | | universe and denies only gods fashioned by men in their own | | image to be servants of their human interests. | | | | -- George Santayana | | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!anson From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Keywords: Conspiracy, Aliens, Greys Message-ID: <6qjn1f#.anson@netcom.com> Date: 1 Sep 92 14:31:55 GMT References: <31AUG199218140601@apsicc.aps.edu> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 29 jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes: >To all of you who feel that aliens are trying to introduce themselves >to us via subtle means. >I was lookint a new issue of a high quality photography magazine dealing >with studio setups, etc., when I saw near the front of the magazine an >advertisement for, of all things, American Express. In the ad there was >a supposed picture of a alien being (large almond shaped eyes, etc.) >holding up an American Express card. This looks like more _evidence_ of >introduction and preperation for you folks. Or it could just be evidence of savvy marketing types capitalizing on a current advertising gimmick: "Aliens like *our* product, too!" The problem with calling any single ad evidence of some great "sensitization campaign" is that it involves a leap of logic which simply is not justified. You don't *know* the motives of the advertisers included making us all comfortable with the concept of aliens. It is a fair assumption, though, that their motives included presenting the product in a way which would garner the most consumer interest. -- Anson Kennedy anson@netcom.com Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!) "If you don't watch the violence, \ "If I had been the Virgin Mary, you'll never get desensitized to it." \ I would have said 'No.'" -Bart Simpson \ -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!wpi.WPI.EDU!oconnor.WPI.EDU!drwho From: drwho@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) Subject: Re: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: Sender: news@wpi.WPI.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: oconnor.wpi.edu Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute References: <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:33:34 GMT Lines: 30 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of >the followers of satan. I was tricked into spreading the lies. Well, I don't think you have to worry too much. In case you haven't noticed, not too many people here take this kind of thing seriously (including me). But I'm curious -- what made you change your mind? More importantly, why did you take it seriously in the first place? >I read of the Awareness, it is secular humanist newage garbage and I want >no part of it. That was obvious to many people, why wasn't it obvious to you? >-- > | In God We Trust | >--+-- --+-- > | | > | | And please, please, PLEASE use the gifts God gave us that set us apart from the animals. THINK. --E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu) # "You have not heard one negative comment Disclaimer: "It's all absolutely # from me about the other two people who devastatingly true, except the bits # want my job. And you *won't* hear any that are lies." --Douglas Adams # until... um, the middle of August." # --George Bush, 1992 God needs your money! So send it to the 700 Club in small, unmarked bills... Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbfsb!cbnewsc!att-out!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ? Keywords: Siritual growth Message-ID: Date: 1 Sep 92 15:08:34 GMT References: <1992Aug31.163728.26564@ntb.ch> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 13 milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: What about people who went into the desert in order to attain spiritual growth by *not* knowing where there next meal was coming from? ... well, I'm not so sure that's clear. For instance, these religious hermits (or ascetics, can't remember which word is correct) often lived in loose communities. Since they didn't die, one has to surmise that food came from somewhere. Food doesn't grow very well in the desert. Perhaps it was brought to them? Charles Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!bronte!wlamonac From: wlamonac@bronte.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca) Subject: Re: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <1992Sep1.152502.12792@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame References: <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:25:02 GMT Lines: 21 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of >the followers of satan. I was tricked into spreading the lies. > >I read of the Awareness, it is secular humanist newage garbage and I want >no part of it. Beware all thats super natural that is not of GOD is of satan! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If I remember my theology, isn't Satan of God? Then I guess, if it's of Satan it's also of God in some way. >The beings you channel to are demons. > >Repent of demon worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ. > >-- > | In God We Trust | >--+-- --+-- > | | > | | Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !! References: <1992Aug27.133759.22555@sunova.ssc.gov> <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> <92239.214035EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:12:18 GMT Lines: 22 In article <1992Aug27.133759.22555@sunova.ssc.gov> kevin@andorra.ssc.gov (RICK O'LEARY) writes: >In article <92239.214035EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>, writes: >|> Fascinating note. Obviously the person who wrote it (originally, I guess) >|> suffers from extreme paranoia and seek psychiatric help immediately! >|> These Greys and Reptiods (or were they from another note?) are ridiculous. >|> When will people cut this "conspiracy" thing, especially when it involves somet >|> hing so ludicrous as extra terrestrials, etc. > ~~~ > >LUDICROUS ??? .... E.T.'S ECT. ?!?!?!?! > ~~~~ >DID YOU HIT THE WRONG KEY ON YOUR TRS-80 ???? Looks more like *you* did. The original poster spelled it right, but you managed to misspell a 3-letter abbreviation. Pretty ludicrous that you should be flaming others for misspellings! >LEAVE US NOW OR WE WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH YOU FEAR !!!!!!!! Leave us now or we will show you how to use your CAPS LOCK key. ;-) Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!male.EBay.Sun.COM!male.EBay.Sun.COM!news From: Beyond the pale Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !! Date: 1 Sep 1992 17:50:16 GMT Organization: Cyberdine Systems, Inc. Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: framemaker.ebay.sun.com >LEAVE US NOW OR WE WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH YOU FEAR !!!!!!!! What truth would that be?? The earth is flat? The laws of thermodynakics really don't apply? Laura Palmer really isn't dead but merely resting??? What EEESSSS it maaannnnn?!?!?!? Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30222 alt.alien.visitors:9045 talk.religion.newage:11607 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <1992Sep1.173116.3891@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 1 Sep 92 17:31:16 GMT References: <64745@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 18 In article <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU writes: >In article <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> >davgot@auto-trol.com (David Gottner) writes: >> >>So, how are past memories imprinted on the DNA? >>-- >>Amrit Prem | > >The memories of all of each person's ancestors is passed on through the DNA; >not past lives per se, but the complete history of our genes. > > Ellen Ellen, you've been reading too much Frank Herbert. _Dune_ was only fiction! Or do you simply mean we can find out something of our ancestors by seeing what genes they passed on to us? RA Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!news.Brown.EDU!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: D-Notice Message-ID: <1992Sep1.174646.4034@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 1 Sep 92 17:46:46 GMT References: <3483@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 14 In article <3483@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Peter Small) writes: >Does anyone have any information about D-Notice? This is an informal >agreement between the governments of the world that keeps certain >artifacts, knowledge, etc out of the public eye. It may have been >used to coverup UFO crash sites and certain OOPARTS (out of place >artifacts). Peter - I think you mean 'ARM'. References to it can be found throughout Larry Niven's 'Known Space' novels. These include the _Ringworld_ series, and the collaborative _Man-Kzin Wars_ series (which I'm currently reading). RA Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!news.ysu.edu!psuvm!cunyvm!rowhc Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center Date: Sunday, 30 Aug 1992 22:50:14 EDT From: Message-ID: <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. References: <1992Aug18.225323.11942@news.unomaha.edu> Lines: 24 J.R. Stone writes: > We're just saying that your a raving loony who shouldn't be > trusted with anything sharper than a stick of warm butter. >J.R. Stone >University of Nebraska-Omaha >Where everyone thinks Gary Stollman is a howling nut case. Mr. Stone, if you have nothing nice to say about Mr. Stollman, then don't bother saying anything at all. It is you who is wasting our time with poor food puns. And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat." To his credit, nobody was hurt. ------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ROWHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU.BITNET~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ !!!!! ROB WALTERS/ EDITOR, SPHERIC (Global Monthly For Humans) !!!!!!!!!! !!!!! 695 PARK AVE., NEW YORK, NY 10021 $$$ (212) 772-4279 $$$ !!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! "HELP STAMP OUT AN END TO ISMISTIC ISMISM." -- HERBERT RONZONI !!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnews!cbnewsl!conty From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) Subject: Odd Worldviews (was Re: UFO Chain Letter) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:24:13 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep1.192413.15979@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> References: <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> <3498@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Lines: 19 In article <3498@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes: > In article <1992Aug28.184309.2669@terminator.cc.umich.edu> clw@home.merit.edu (Chris Weider) writes: > > > >What kind of world do these people live in, anyway? > > If you stop and think about it, they probably live in a world that > is very dark and scary... which is why they broadcast warnings to > the world. I think for some people it's the opposite. A world with aliens and evil secret conspiracies where one is a brave freedom fighter fighting against the Greys or the Men in Black or the Clones would be a much more exciting world than the one we live in, wouldn't it? -- E n r i q u e C o n t y The Incredible Man-with-no-Life jester@ihlpl.att.com Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!att!cbnewsl!conty From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:30:31 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep1.193031.16324@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> References: Lines: 15 In article , believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: > > Regrettably our files do not say for certain, but we have good reason to > believe that Pat Robertson is one of the Alien false prophets. Feh. Tell me something I didn't know already. B-) The bit with the H-bomb bullets was also fun. I wonder if they have thermonuclear hand grenades. :-) -- E n r i q u e C o n t y The Incredible Man-with-no-Life jester@ihlpl.att.com Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!rtech!ingres!kevinq From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. Message-ID: <1992Sep1.195350.16979@pony.Ingres.COM> Date: 1 Sep 92 19:53:50 GMT References: <1992Aug18.225323.11942@news.unomaha.edu> <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501 Lines: 27 In article <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: >And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of >handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully >held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced >him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat." > >To his credit, nobody was hurt. >------- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ROWHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU.BITNET~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >!!!!! ROB WALTERS/ EDITOR, SPHERIC (Global Monthly For Humans) !!!!!!!!!! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh hell. Seems like every day we get more dimwitted yokels who discover Usenet. And this 'un is from an institute of higher learning, no less! Perhaps it's time admission requirements were rechecked, and the ability to form and hold a coherent thought became manditory... kbq -- Kevin Quinn | kevinq@ingres.com | {mtzinu,pacbell,ll-winken,sun}!ingres.com My opinions are my own. Should you think otherwise, think again. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!laidbak!tellab5!obdient!amiserv!amiganet!chameleo From: chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Siriusly... Message-ID: Date: 1 Sep 92 06:09:35 GMT Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems Lines: 9 Any opinions on 'the sirius mystery' by R.K.Temple???? And shouldn't we be thinking about generating an atmosphere on mars??? We may have to move soon.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR STINKINESS TO YOURSELF????? R.H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Is Technology a dead end? Message-ID: Date: 1 Sep 92 20:02:22 GMT References: <3520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 110 Someone wrote to me, regarding one of my recent posts, asking who is Rodenberry, and whether or not I thought we really needed technology. Since I have thought about this some, I took the liberty of publishing my reply in the hope thier are those that would be interested in the subject, and who could add to the conversation. Before you comment, please give some thought as to what I have said, and whether or not your comments really ADD to the converstation. In reply: Gene Rodenberry, as in Star Trek of course. Most I don't think have picked up on his metaphysical views by watching the show, but if you had met him, I'm guessing he was not much different than talking to John Winston. He was out there, and far ahead of his time, while having a very open viewpoint. I guess Star Trek is like many books out there, that are written on or you can read on more than one level. Yes, man seems to have a need or desire for technology. We have the myth of Adam and Eve that could be interpretted in this way in fact. And in and of itself, it is not bad. And niether is Communism, in and of itself bad. But it is how a few would seek to exploit the many corrupting the ideal into something negative that seems to always get us in the end. In that respect, Capitalism has only been mildly better to us than Communism, since as Capitalists, we pollute, and squander the resources of the planet in the name of the almighty buck. So it's like anything else, if you don't use it wisely, it can be bad. Most people don't think about the balance of culture that the Mayans had. They respected the earth, and had some balance in the culture. They respected science as much as the heart center of conscousness, and worked from what I consider to be a very balanced view of the nature of their place in the universe. (I know they sacrificed humans and babies, but those people believed to die that that manner was a great honor.) All that asside, If we could achieve balance in our culture, instead of focus on technology and power, then it would be great; every new technological thing we came up with. But we can't, and that is where technology is a trap. We become single minded about it, and we are willing to let all else go to hell if we can only have a faster 486! In the final analysis, we don't really need technology after a certain point. We do need communications of a sort, we need transport, but we need to know when to say enough, and focus on stopping war, famine, drought, and bring the entire mass of humanity along with us on the path... The other major issue is that, ultimately, all technology is in our heads. We have the finest tech right within us, and don't even know how to develop it or use it. Jesus showed us, and many other prophets throughout history showed us that we can manifest that which we WILL to be. That is very important to remember, because it means that ultimatly (don't tell anybody) technology is a false hope, a dead end, and a waste of time. We can manifest that which truely makes use happy, that which we truely need and makes life fulfilling, by willing it into existance. I mean pull the bread directly from the ether. And bilocate, and telekinesis, and astral-traval, and remote view. These are the ultimate final frontiers, beyond what we see on Star Trek. Because if we can evolve into that which our teachers have tried to show us we really are, then we possess the wonders of the universe within each and every one of us, and we could be waisting our time looking to external devices to do thise things for us, instead of developing our own conciousness by other means. If you read the Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East, you will understand better of what I am speaking about. A man went into the Himilayan mountains about the turn of the century, named Spalding. He met people that introduced him to the Masters of the Christ plane. They could materialize before him, and perform what we today would consider miricles. But it's really only a question of development mentally and spritually. The best way I can give you an example of what life like this might be like is if you have used Virtual Reality. IF you have, then you know that after a very short while, you are just about as happy in your virtual world as you are out here in "real life", so it's not that far to take the step and hypothysis that "what we believe in our minds is the only reality that matters and that reality, for the most part, is an individual affair." You can share, but you DON'T have to. In fact, the individule experience is much more profound to the existance than the shared experience, because it is the manifestation of our free will. At some point, evolution of consciousness requires that entities form union of conciouseness, but that's another subject I won't get into right now. So if we develope to the point that we no longer need the external apparatus in order to enjoy our virtual reality, then what we do by astral-projection, remote viewing in the past/present/future, what we do to manifest our will on our environment through mind is the only technology we need, and the only power that matters. At a certain point in evolution, one could argue, we lose any necessity of having a body... or we can choose to have or not have a body at any time, through our use of free will, such as the Masters have shown us. But now this is getting further out than most people want to think about at this time. One final word here: In another post I will detail the upcoming International UFO World Congress to be held in Nov/Dec in Las Vegas this year. Speakers from the US and all over the world will meet to discuss the world-wide phenomena, and to view pictures/video/film footage of UFO' taken all over the world. Researchers from China, Russia, and other countries will give us a good idea of how the UFO mystery is not based in the US alone. AS a point of interst that touches on the aspects of what I have been talking about, there is one speaker who will talk of his involvement in a remote- viewing technology that his company is contracting for the US government. When you really look into it, you will find that our government is profoundly interested in the esoteric, much as the Russians and Hitler were. Well, his company has contracted to do remote-viewing of past/present /future events for the goernment, and he will be speaking about it at the conference. Can you imagin the power of being able to predict accuratly, future events, or being able to go back in time, to view past ones? Should be a real mind-bender to hear him speak. Jeff- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!male.EBay.Sun.COM!male.EBay.Sun.COM!news From: Ichiban Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:25:41 GMT Organization: Mizu Shobai Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <1992Sep1.193031.16324@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> Reply-To: noone@all NNTP-Posting-Host: framemaker.ebay.sun.com >The bit with the H-bomb bullets was also fun. >I wonder if they have thermonuclear hand grenades. :-) No, no they use Holy hand grenades, the thermonuclear ones were banned during Vatican II... Shitsurei Shimasu Ichiban *** Watakshi no mo tsu no ji do kuruma ha Makkintoshu desu! Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!muvms3!rcbi27 From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Alien in a bar. Message-ID: <118310@muvms3.bitnet> Date: 1 Sep 92 19:12:46 GMT References: <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Organization: Marshall University Lines: 13 In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes: > A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman > claiming to be an alien. That's the story of my life, pal. That's all you ever find in bars around here. Sheesh! --danny -- "Were his solid black square paintings really, as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract compositions devoid of external references and meanings?" *********************************** Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!bcstec!kuryakin From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ? Keywords: Siritual growth Message-ID: <3535@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: 1 Sep 92 21:30:38 GMT References: <1992Aug31.163728.26564@ntb.ch> Organization: Boeing Lines: 17 In article mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes: >lived in loose communities. Since they didn't die, one has to surmise >that food came from somewhere. Food doesn't grow very well in the >desert. Perhaps it was brought to them? I think the point here was primarily suggesting the indians' practices of going to a spiritual place to fast and await visions. Usually was for a 3-5 days. I doubt they had pizza delivery brought to them... Rick -- Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program. | Seattle, WA | It wastes your time | and annoys the droid. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!bcstec!kuryakin From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Keywords: Conspiracy, Aliens, Greys Message-ID: <3536@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: 1 Sep 92 21:33:15 GMT References: <31AUG199218140601@apsicc.aps.edu> <6qjn1f#.anson@netcom.com> Organization: Boeing Lines: 16 In article <6qjn1f#.anson@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes: >The problem with calling any single ad evidence of some great >"sensitization campaign" is that it involves a leap of logic which >simply is not justified. You don't *know* the motives of the advertisers How many ads does it take to decide it's a trend? Rick -- Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program. | Seattle, WA | It wastes your time | and annoys the droid. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au From: u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg) Subject: Re: Alien in a bar. Message-ID: <1992Sep2.012158.15182@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Sender: news@newsroom.utas.edu.au Organization: University of Tasmania References: <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1992Sep1.201446.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:21:58 GMT Lines: 39 In article <1992Sep1.201446.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c8838228@cc.newcastle.edu.au (DO YOU HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) writes: > > In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes: > > > > A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman > > claiming to be an alien. > > She said that she was an incorporeal being from another dimension who > > decided to inhabit a human infant and grow up in our culture. The > > reason for this is that her colleagues were going to destroy the earth > > in 1997 because of mankinds potential to develope interdimensional > > transport (they also think that we are sick and disgusting, no suprise > > there). > > She is of the opinion that we have some redeming qualities and does > > not want us to be destroyed just yet. > > Believe it or not, this is not fiction. Has anyone else heard of > > incorporeal biengs in human bodies wanting to destroy the earth? > >Does she plan to go down with the planet? Maybe it was a turn-on. Maybe she was on medication. Why would someone claiming to be of a superior culture AND finding us so disgusting hang out in a bar ?! Anyway, with the economy the way it is I dont even think we will be on Mars in 1997, never mind other dimensions! And why would anyone that has an entire stack of dimensions at their beck and call hang around and watch us. In fact, I dont even think it would be worth the trouble for any aliens to destroy us, unless they were building an Intergalactic Freeway, of course. Regards, Chris. > > > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au From: u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg) Subject: Re:Re: Are we an experiment ? Message-ID: <1992Sep2.013526.15608@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Sender: news@newsroom.utas.edu.au Organization: University of Tasmania References: <1992Aug31.163728.26564@ntb.ch> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:35:26 GMT Lines: 25 >Charles writes: > > > ... well, I'm not so sure that's clear. For instance, these religious > hermits (or ascetics, can't remember which word is correct) often > lived in loose communities. Since they didn't die, one has to surmise > that food came from somewhere. Food doesn't grow very well in the > desert. Perhaps it was brought to them? > > Charles > >Are you assuming that aliens brought the food? An interesting theory. In fact, aliens seem to love deserts, dont they? (at least arid regions) It might even be plausible that meditative people may have have wandered off into the desert to be anything but alone! Unless youre an ecologist, there is not much to do in the desert except get a sunstroke.And where DID they they get their food from? Are the romote, uninhabitable stretches on our planet the classrooms of the past or the rendezvous dramatised in Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Chris. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11612 alt.alien.visitors:9059 sci.skeptic:30257 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65091@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:52:02 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <64571@cup.portal.com> <2489@israel.nysernet.org> Lines: 13 All People That On Earth Do Dwell: I just got back and to comment on Joseph A. Citro III's statement, yes there was a forest fire going at Burney, Calif. about 40 miles away from where I was. It's good to hear that Warren is having some fun about the story of the talking fish, maybe he had one over for dinner. Thanks for the information about the word Dharmara. Clipper asked if anybody is welcome to my place of the sides of Mt. Shasta. Yes eveyone. I don't care if you have scales or feathers either. We went to an ice cave and came very close to the one half mile cave that I was looking for but my son did find and go in a volcanic vent cave up in Washington State. It's called Ape Cave and it is on Mt. St. Helen. It is 2 and one eighth miles long. It could hold many thousands of people. The rangers are thinking about putting lights in it and using it as a shelter. John Winston Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au From: u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg) Subject: Re: alien interest in us Message-ID: <1992Sep2.014344.15979@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Sender: news@newsroom.utas.edu.au Organization: University of Tasmania References: <1992Aug31.094915.6793@ntb.ch> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:43:44 GMT Lines: 24 In article <1992Aug31.094915.6793@ntb.ch>, milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: > > > Charles asks why "they" should be interested in us. > > According to Timothy Good's new book "Alien Liaison", we humans are called > "containers" by the greys, which he (If I remember correctly) interpreted as > meaning "containers of souls", and suggested that maybe the greys weren't. At > least then we'd have one reason for their interest, and also an explanation > for their "breeding experiments". > Regards, Paul. > >Does this mean that the Greys dont have souls? At least one author suggests that the greys were "manufactured" themselves, which may account for their seeming lack of mental independance, as described by Strieber. But even if they dont have induvidual souls, they may be a similar organisation to a ant- or bee-colony,together functioning as a single macro-organism with what some refer to as a "Group Soul" Comments ? Regards, Chris. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!bcstec!kuryakin From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !! Message-ID: <3539@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: 1 Sep 92 22:47:31 GMT References: Organization: Boeing Lines: 15 In article Beyond the pale writes: >(stuff deleted...) Laura Palmer really isn't dead but merely resting??? HEY! Leave Laura outta this!! She'll show up when she's good and ready! She has her reasons, by golly. Bob is hanging around. Rick ;-) -- Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program. | Seattle, WA | It wastes your time | and annoys the droid. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a3810 From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 2 Sep 92 09:40:02 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 31 > Gary Stollman writes: > > Msg-ID: > Posted: Wed, 02 Sep 92 04:05:49 > Org. : Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) > > > I know what this is gonna sound like, but I have been "informed" that the > Second Coming is near at hand. I have been "told" that Jesus is walking > the Earth. I don't know if this is the way it is supposed to happen, but > it is the way it is happening. I do know something of the story of the > Second Coming, and it would seem I should be wrong, but this is what I > have been "told"... > > Gary Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday. You missed it. And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA spokesman. (Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?) -- Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world. mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars ---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless ---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards." Stealth Sig#42 | --From "N-Man #3" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!fofp From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <25419@castle.ed.ac.uk> Date: 2 Sep 92 10:59:43 GMT References: Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 10 believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >The results where frightening, Pat Robertson's speech was >setting off TEN TIMES the more brain activity than the greatest speeches of >Adolf Hitler and Stalin! Hmmmm, that's quite a surprise since it seems to induce very little brain activity in Mr. Robertson himself. FoFP Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Spiritual growth Message-ID: <1992Sep2.083437.23912@ntb.ch> Followup-To: Are we an experiment? Keywords: Fasting Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1992Sep2.013526.15608@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:34:37 GMT Lines: 10 OK, I was alluding to Jesus. I think he specially went to fast. John the Baptist ate locusts in the desert. (Don`t ask me what the locusts ate!) I did mean people who fast in order to develop spiritually. Paul. Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!fofp From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <25424@castle.ed.ac.uk> Date: 2 Sep 92 11:45:23 GMT References: Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 306 believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: #I just got this in the mail. I'm a regular contributor to #the 700 club and am kind of worried. It sounds incredible #but I saw some other posts on this channel from the #Awareness so I don't know what to think. #_____ Just think what you're told to think and everything will be just fine.... #ATTENTION: FASCISTS HAVE CHANGED PLANS BUT THE DANGER HAS NOT PASSED! # YOUR LOVED ONES ARE IN ACUTE DANGER! A NEW PLAGUE AND A # ROUND UP OF AMERICANS WILL BE THE FIRST SIGN! Phew, and I was worrying about the falling Dollar.... #THIS IS NO JOKE! On July 4,1992, at a UFO convention in Arcadia, #California, Mr. Michael Younger, a member of the super-secret COM-12 group #and a scientist who worked at Groom Lake, Area 51 in Nevada, stunned the #audience of over 200 people with the incredible information. Tens of #thousands of people received the warning and forced the conspirators to #change plans. #After hearing of this conspiracy MW31 decided to follow up on a source we #had on the backburner what we found was in shocking agreement with Michael #Younger's find. Our source managed to sneak several disks to us (supposedly #containing Tetris). We wondered why Michael's plan was not in effect, after #reviewing the disks we discovered a contingency plan. Switch on the advance warning feature and switch of the sound? Trust me, the tune on Tetris is a communist mind control plot. It's damn near impossible to get the tune out of your head. Have you ever wondered WHY THAT IS???? #The original plans called for massive race riots in August. With Michael #Young's warning the conspirators could not count on success so they fell back #to a contingency plan. # First some background, aliens have been among us for 50 years slowly #gaining control of the media and building sources of income. We discovered #that Aliens have been posing as TV preachers, with the highly advanced #technology of the aliens they have little problem convincing people with #fake miracle healings. Yep, you need James Randi spectacles in order to see things as they really are. #The Aliens have taken control of much of the #Christian Broadcasting Network by means of false miracle workers. According #to the bible we know false prophets "by there works", the wicked sow hate #and fear and harvest a crop of martyrs. Yep, the most cunning part is the way they try to fool us into thinking they're human by consorting with prostitutes. DO NOT BE FOOLED. # The Aliens through the CBN now control 6 or more cable channels in #virtually every city in America! That explains the "I Love Lucy" reruns. The aliens have been addicted to this show ever since they first saw it through their radio telescopes. # The conspiracy decided to play the CBN card, beginning in mid August #subliminal messages where added to CBN broadcasting. These subliminal #messages are causing dreams among the viewers. In these dreams a person is #rescued from a ship representing the sinking earth by a man representing #himself as Christ, often the date Oct 28th is embedded in the dream. That's right. It isn't global warming that's making sea lavels rise, the Earth is in fact sinking. Fortunately, Jesus is going to teach us to walk on water. # Our scientists discovered that 1 out of every 100 frames on CBN carries a #"mental frame" from this dream. Frames are randomly distributed and mixed #with the signal so as to be almost undetectable. Advanced mathematical #technics are required to recover the messages digitally, but the sub #conscious mind will easily distinguish them and act on them. In this case #replaying them as a vivid dream. If your viseo recorder has a rewind-review feature, then watch these programmes in this mode. The results will interest you. # More on the reason for these subliminal messages later, but first more #on the plans which have already taken place. #THE DECEIVED. # Please remember that those working for CBN sincerely believe they are doing #the will of God. The Alien takeover was so careful orchestrated that even #the most sincere where deceived. #AN ALIEN MAY HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN ON NATIONAL TV! # Regrettably our files do not say for certain, but we have good reason to #believe that Pat Robertson is one of the Alien false prophets. Our analysis #of tapes from the Republican convention shows the presence of powerful #subliminal messages during Robertson's speech. We where unable to isolate #them electronically, however with great prodding we obtained the use of a #PET scan machine. The results where frightening, Pat Robertson's speech was #setting off TEN TIMES the more brain activity than the greatest speeches of #Adolf Hitler and Stalin! To make matters even more frightening it was #effecting areas used for subconscious, while having little effect on #conscious thought. Do not think. It's bad for you. Nobody thinks at Republican conventions. #It is like the difference between cocoa leaves and #purified cocaine! How do you KNOW THIS?? Have you FRIED YOUR BRAIN by attempting this?? #If not for the PET scan we would not even have known it #was there! It's lucky for us that there are folks out there checking these things. Someone has got to stay alert. # We still don't know what it did to us, we can only guess it was yet #another part of the scheme to gain control of our planet. Have you felt any strange urges concerning virgin crop fields lately? Why do you think that otherwise sane people go to create crop circle hoaxes? They're under ALIEN CONTROL! #NEW PLAGUE OR HOAX? # In August a new part of the contingency plan greeted us. We where told that #an undetectable form of AIDS had emerged. According to the files the #conspirators will soon announce that this new highly contagious form of AIDS #already has spread through 20% of the population. Testing of the entire #population will be ordered with the national guard sent in wearing #biological warfare suits to round up all those infected. In reality this is #just a ruse. All those who pose a threat to the Aliens will turn out to be #"infected". The Aliens hope that in the state of panic no one will question #the roundup and executions. Nor will any one come to the defense of the #infected lest they themselves become infected. The files indicate September #or early October as possible dates. Don't even phone those who are said to be infected. This virus can pass over phone lines. If you must, then put a condom over your phone. This won't work of course, but it'll get your coworkers to wondering about you.... #THE "RAPTURE" # Earlier we described dreams caused by the subliminal messages now being #played over CBN. Now we will reveal the true intention of these subliminal #messages. Without the rioting and violence first hoped for, the Aliens no #longer have the army needed. Instead they will try another approach to gain #an army of easily brainwashed "true believers". On the days leading up to Oct #28th a final set of subliminal messages is to be sent out. These will cause #dreams instructing people to stand outside with arms raised awaiting the #Rapture. There will be no rapture rather the victims will find themselves #abducted by 'Greys' from Zeta Reticuli posing as angels. The victims will be #taken to underground bases (heaven) for further brainwashing. # The victims are to be told that assistance is needed in the great battle #against the forces of darkness. Once sufficiently brainwashed they will be #armed by the 'Greys' with weapons of tremendous power (imagine a handgun #that fires thermonuclear tipped bullets at targets miles away). Be very careful, if one of these goes off indoors, it will get very messy. #THE NAZI'S RETURN TO POWER # Over the past month as previously predicted the Nazi party began to #resurface. Germany was torn apart by Nazi instigated hate crusades. But we #in America are not immune, using the funds of the CBN the 'Greys' created #front groups for the American Nazi's. After some investigation we discovered #that some of the highest leaders in Oregon's OCA are actually German Nazi's #brought to this country after WWII. The Nazi's are using groups like the OCA #to stir hatred against intellectuals (the new Jew), homosexuals, and blacks .. to name but one category... #just as they did in Nazi germany. The Nazi's tactic is like that of a #magician who distracts your attention with one hand while the other performs #the trick. #WHAT IS THE OTHER HAND DOING? Nope, I'm not going to bite on a straight line as easy as this one.... # After Oct 28th America will be in chaos, having been rocked by two earth #shaking events. Earthquake predicted, film at eleven. #First we will have been narrowly saved from a "plague", #actually a plot to remove all free thinkers and "subversives". Only weeks #later the "rapture" will happen. While America is still in confusion the #Nazi's will come out of hiding to whip up hatred against intellectuals, free #thinkers and any other convient targets. Then the conspirators revert to the #original plan, as described by Michael Younger: # "Stage4: In October an "official" announcement will be carried live on # TV, that extraterrestrial aliens, probably Zeta Reticuli 'Greys' have invaded # the Earth, with some actual aliens introduced on the show. (This is actually # a fake invasion). The aliens have been on Earth for over 50 years, made # treaties and agreements with our governments; (all over the world) and there # are millions of them in secret underground complexes such as Dulce, New Mexico # which are responsible for the abduction of American children and citizens as # well as the cattle mutilations documented in books and on TV, such as the # recent special "Intruders". (these special program are no accident) This # announcement will cause the entire world to mobilize under UN suppervisin # to fight the "invaders" ( a very bad joke!!!!)" Even Saddam Hussein will make peace with the UN and will lead an alliance to free the USA from the Imperial Alien Yoke. # Again the 'Greys' have been forced to change plans. Because of the failure #to cause massive civil unrest as they had hoped to do Pres. Bush will most #likely go down to defeat in November. Instead of relying on a new president #the 'Greys' will use the victims of the fake rapture to assist the Nazi's. #Earth will fall under the tirany of Nazi's controlling an army of #brainwashed people armed with 'Grey' weaponry. after which spelling standards will fall even further.... #More information for those who missed the first warning: # "WHO ARE THESE CONSPIRATORS???? According to Mike Younger, at the end of WW II, # Nelson Rockefeller brought 300 high Nazi party officials from Germany illegally # into the U.S., with permission. As of today it is believed there are now 1.6 # million Nazis in the U.S., many high in government and major corporation, such # as Atlantic Richfield in New Jersey. Incredibly, these Nazi facists are # attempting to set up a "4th Reich" to continue the thousand-year plan of Adolph # Hitler, with the eventual intent to eliminate "non Aryan" people such as Jews, # Blacks and other 'dissidents'. In January, 2000, when the real alien invasion # occurs, the planet will be officially turned over to the alien invaders, and # the Nazi rulers expect to get 25% of the Earth for themselves." and most of us will be too hungover to discover this has happened. Be aware. DO NOT DRINK alcohol during New Year 2000. #WHO ARE WE? # # We are an independent group of UFO investigators. Our members are carefully #selected from among scientists at America's top research institutes. Through #our contacts we have secret access to some of the best research facilities #in the country. # Signed # MW31 Group # Auth code Date: 2 Sep 92 11:54:24 GMT References: <140078.2AA23D2E@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Sender: newsa@sousa.ltn.dec.com Reply-To: hedron::daveb Organization: ASO IM operations Lines: 32 Mike Corbin writes: >This is a nice testimonial, but the problem is that until others in the field >of psychology can review your tapes, charts and whatever else Mack did, no >one, including yourself, can make the determination that he followed >professional standards and ethics. I am not saying that Dr. Mack did not, but >I am saying that peer review is a necessary procedure in scientific >methodology. Perhaps you would care to have a second opinion? > >BTW, how long ago was this? > >Mike This was about 6 months ago. There is really nothing to review, nothing came out of the session of any value (to me anyway). I've listened to them and I guarantee that there are no leading questions as I heard so many skeptics in here insist is "typical" of these types of sessions. AS to peer review I believe it's probably necessary, perhaps you should contact Mack and ask what his intentions are in that respect if you're interested. He's dealt with other potential abductees who have much more interesting stories to tell than me. -- /dave +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ESP, Steinberger, Fender, Kitty Hawk, Rivera, Rocktron, Alesis, Tascam, | | Metaltronix, EMG, Semour Duncan, D'Addario rock on! | | Midi rack pukes do it with 16 channels | | The Sea refuses no river... | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnews!mvbth From: mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com (bernard.t.hebert) Subject: UFO spotted in PA ??? Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:53:23 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep2.125323.4524@cbnews.cb.att.com> Lines: 17 September 02, 1992 Hello all, When I returned home from work last night, the wife said she heard on the radio that a UFO had been spotted somewhere in Pennsylvania. There wasn't very much to the report she said, except an eye-witness who said that it looked like a glowing disk seen from edge-on, and it was silent. The eye-witness also said it was "un-earthly". Anyone else hear of anything ? Bernie Hebert mvbth@cbnews.att.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!vicorp!mc From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous) Subject: Re: Alien in a bar. Message-ID: <1992Sep2.131441.14033@vicorp.com> Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts References: <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <118310@muvms3.bitnet> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:14:41 GMT Lines: 12 rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM) writes: >In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes: >> A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman >> claiming to be an alien. >That's the story of my life, pal. That's all you ever find in bars around here. >Sheesh! Naaah. That must have been my ex, an alien claiming to be a woman. - Mark Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ? Keywords: Siritual growth Message-ID: Date: 2 Sep 92 13:35:47 GMT References: <1992Aug31.163728.26564@ntb.ch> <3535@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 14 kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick) writes: I think the point here was primarily suggesting the indians' practices of going to a spiritual place to fast and await visions. Usually was for a 3-5 days. I doubt they had pizza delivery brought to them... ... well, I was thinking more of medieval Christians (and sufis, and others) who went off for years (there's a case of one, whose name I cannot dredge up, who lived on top of a pillar). As I recall, the visions of American Indians were often assisted by peote, were they not? Charles Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!anson From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 13:50:58 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Keywords: Conspiracy, Aliens, Greys References: <31AUG199218140601@apsicc.aps.edu> <6qjn1f#.anson@netcom.com> <3536@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Lines: 20 kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes: >In article <6qjn1f#.anson@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes: >>The problem with calling any single ad evidence of some great >>"sensitization campaign" is that it involves a leap of logic which >>simply is not justified. You don't *know* the motives of the advertisers >How many ads does it take to decide it's a trend? You can call it a trend, sure. But to say it involves motives other than selling the product requires a bit more substance than aliens being featured in commercials. -- Anson Kennedy anson@netcom.com Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!) "If you don't watch the violence, \ "If I had been the Virgin Mary, you'll never get desensitized to it." \ I would have said 'No.'" -Bart Simpson \ -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971) Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re:Re: Are we an experiment ? Message-ID: Date: 2 Sep 92 14:10:14 GMT References: <1992Aug31.163728.26564@ntb.ch> <1992Sep2.013526.15608@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 44 u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg) writes: Are you assuming that aliens brought the food? An interesting theory. ... eh? I said nothing of the kind. I wasn't thinking along those lines at all. In fact, aliens seem to love deserts, dont they? (at least arid regions) It might even be plausible that meditative people may have have wandered off into the desert to be anything but alone! ... I don't think so. Or rather, I don't think they thought so. Unless youre an ecologist, there is not much to do in the desert except get a sunstroke.And where DID they they get their food from? ... my guess is that there was a "support system" of sorts (family members, or people who were paid (by family members, or perhaps even the hermits themselves)) to bring food ("food drops", and the like, so if the hermit didn't even want to see the food-bringer, he or she did not have to). Stories of ascetics tend to stress the isolation and deprivation of normal human contact, not the day-to-day details. People went off to think, not to starve to death. Most ascetics didn't actually travel all that far away from the rest of humanity; just far enough to be away from everybody else. (There were, of course, some organized communities of like-thinking people, for instance christian or buddist monks, that were entirely self-sufficient.) Are the romote, uninhabitable stretches on our planet the classrooms of the past... ... uninhabitable is a relative thing. Without air conditioning and trucks and trains (or heating units and aircraft) to bring stuff, many places that might be termed uninhabitable are. Also, there are "lifestyle choices" involved (bushmen of the Kalahari, bedouins, etc.) in which places we might call uninhabitable have been lived in for centuries. Charles Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Aliens without souls Message-ID: <1992Sep2.135639.6748@ntb.ch> Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1992Sep2.013526.15608@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:56:39 GMT Lines: 34 Chris asks: ..Does this mean that the Greys don't have souls? ..But even if they don't have induvidual souls, they may be a similar organisation to an ant- or bee-colony, together functioning as a single macro-organism with what some refer to as a "Group Soul" In his book*, Jesus avoids using the word "soul" "because of its highly controversial nature", preferring to use "spirit" and "mind". But he *does* say that all life comes from God, implying something like Chris suggests, a "Group Soul", or "Group Spirit". This would mean that you can't *make* life from non-living material, you would have to start with a live cell and change it. But maybe you might be able to "put a soul into an empty container"? Isn't that what happened to you, Tom (Repasky)? * A Course In Miracles (If you're going to bash my head in, please try to do it with humour. Thanks.) Regards, Paul P.S. for Chris: Our Gateway has gone on the blink - don't know if you've received anything from me (yesterday or today)? Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Are we an experiment ? Message-ID: <1992Sep2.140348.6940@ntb.ch> Keywords: spiritual growth Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1992Sep2.013526.15608@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:03:48 GMT Lines: 13 This posting seems to have gone lost, so I'll try again: OK, I was alluding to Jesus. I think he specially went to fast in the desert. John (the baptist) was "in the wilderness" too, but he ate locusts, among other things. (Don`t ask me what the locusts ate!) I did mean people who fast in order to develop spiritually. Paul. Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!walter!phelix!mdl From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) Subject: Loose Lips Message-ID: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Nntp-Posting-Host: phelix.bellcore.com Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) Organization: Bellcore Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:45:56 GMT Lines: 37 I've been a lurker on this group for several months. I find the subject matter interesting, and I suppose a part of me wants to believe that there have been alien "visitations." However, I have no strong beliefs one way or the other. My attitude could best be described as "show me." My mind is open (at least I like to think so). I have a question for anyone out there who cares to answer, but be forewarned that it's based on my OPINIONS, so don't ask me for verifiable facts. I can't supply them. I spent eight years in the military as an enlisted man, both as a grunt and as a sergeant. I know how difficult it is for people to keep their mouths shut, even when threatened with prison or bodily harm if they talk. The more important a person's perception of an incident, the more likely that person is to talk about it. There's been considerable talk here about the Roswell incident (1947, I believe), and the military's involvement in it. There have been other incidents where the military was involved -- seems to me there was one over the Great Lakes back in the Fifties in which a couple of interceptors (F-89s?) were lost in a pursuit of a UFO. I'm sure most of you out there know a lot more than I do about these and other UFO incidents with military involvement. So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty ground pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw something extraterrestrial? If there is/was a conspiracy, those at the highest levels could eliminate a few people, perhaps (like the nurse who sketched the alien corpses at Roswell?), but a wholesale elimination of all low-level people involved simply isn't practical, or even wise. That action alone would give away the conspiracy, I would think. Comments? Mike Lynch Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!cc203 From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Aliens without souls Date: 2 Sep 1992 15:24:03 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 57 Message-ID: <182majINNv4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com (David R. Stepien) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu In article <1992Aug31.094915.6793@ntb.chPM, milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: PM> Charles asks why "they" should be interested in us. PM> PM> According to Timothy Good's new book "Alien Liaison", we humans are called PM> "containers" by the greys, which he (If I remember correctly) interpreted as PM> meaning "containers of souls", and suggested that maybe the greys weren't. At PM> least then we'd have one reason for their interest, and also an explanation PM> for their "breeding experiments". PM> Regards, PM> Paul. PM> PM> Does this mean that the Greys dont have souls? u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg) replies: CS> At least one author suggests that the greys were "manufactured" CS> themselves, which may account for their seeming lack of mental CS> independance, as described by Strieber. CS> But even if they dont have induvidual souls, they may be a similar CS> organisation to a ant- or bee-colony,together functioning as a CS> single macro-organism with what some refer to as a "Group Soul" CS> CS> Comments ? CS> CS> Regards, Chris. The next interesting soul-related question is, what about the Cross Breeds? From the information given in "Secret Life, True Life Accounts of Alien Abductions", it is clear that the aliens have bred numerous cross-species individuals (please let's not restart the argument on whether abductions are figments of the imagination here, unless you've read this book.) Here is a short summary of the procedure by which one of these cross-breeds is produced: Human eggs and sperm are extracted from abductees on a regular basis. What exactly becomes of these eggs and sperm is unknown. The next step we do know about is the implantation of a fertilized (and probably genetically altered) egg or embryo into the womb of a female abductee. This embryo is carried for 1 to 3 months, at which time the female is re-abducted and the fetus extracted. It is placed into an aquarium-like incubator to continue its development. When the babies are able to live on their own, they are often "presented" to abductees for sessions of "human interaction." Witnesses have reported participating in these sessions with cross-bred children of up to adolescent age. These children are often described as listless, but as having eyes that have the same hypnotic quality as the greys. So, what about the souls of these children? The religions and esoteric teachings of earth differ greatly in their explanations of the history of the soul in human development. If you believe in reincarnation, are these cross-breeds imbued with reincarnated human souls? Do they even have individual souls? It seems like this new abduction information leads to a lot of sticky questions on the true nature of humanity and religion. David ###### Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!pa.dec.com!engage.pko.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!sousa.ltn.dec.com!hawk1.enet.dec.com!bottom From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: FTP site Message-ID: <1675@sousa.ltn.dec.com> Date: 2 Sep 92 14:57:31 GMT Sender: newsa@sousa.ltn.dec.com Reply-To: hedron::daveb Organization: ASO IM operations Lines: 15 Sorry but I lost my pointer to the FTP site for the UFO gifs etc. If someone could give it to me that'd be great. E-mail is fine thanks in advance -- /dave +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ESP, Steinberger, Fender, Kitty Hawk, Rivera, Rocktron, Alesis, Tascam, | | Metaltronix, EMG, Semour Duncan, D'Addario rock on! | | Midi rack pukes do it with 16 channels | | The Sea refuses no river... | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!destroyer!fmsrl7!lynx!apsicc.aps.edu!jim From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ? Message-ID: <2SEP199209343760@apsicc.aps.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 16:34:00 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center Distribution: usa Keywords: Siritual growth References: <1992Aug31.163728.26564@ntb.ch> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 28 In article , mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes... > > kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick) writes: > I think the point here was primarily suggesting the indians' > practices of going to a spiritual place to fast and await > visions. Usually was for a 3-5 days. I doubt they had pizza > delivery brought to them... > >.... well, I was thinking more of medieval Christians (and sufis, and >others) who went off for years (there's a case of one, whose name I >cannot dredge up, who lived on top of a pillar). As I recall, the >visions of American Indians were often assisted by peote, were they >not? > >Charles Charles, That must have been one melodorous pillar at the bottom. You are pretty much correct about the use of peyote then and now. Peyote is still used by members of the Native American Church which counts a few anglos amongst its' members. Jim ====================================================================== We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty... Twain Internet: jim@apsicc.aps.edu Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager ====================================================================== Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!cl2s+ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:38:47 -0400 From: Christian David Lehr Subject: Re: UFO spotted in PA ??? In-Reply-To: <1992Sep2.125323.4524@cbnews.cb.att.com> Distribution: usa Lines: 22 According to a TV News Report, it was a blimp from the Glidden paint company. They had a representative from the company confirm that they were flying back to their base from some sort of golfing event. The big commotion was caused by a videotape that was given to the news, but other eyewitnesses said that you could clearly read "Glidden" from the ground. Chris Lehr Yesterday I almost broke both cl2s@andrew.cmu.edu of my arms trying to hold open a revolving door for some lady. - S. Wright Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!suite!usenet From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Subject: Did you know? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@suite.com (Usenet) Reply-To: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Organization: Suite Software, Anaheim CA. Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:09:56 GMT Lines: 8 This just in - The Crayola company has just put out a new pack of "Skin Tone" crayons. Colors include white, black, brown, yellow, peach, red, ... but NO GREY! I guess this proves that the Crayola company isn't owned & operated by aliens. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!strath-cs!st-and!nrp From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Time travel Message-ID: <1992Sep2.163039.14671@st-andrews.ac.uk> Date: 2 Sep 92 16:30:39 GMT Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland. Lines: 10 Is anybody here interested in time travel? Is this the best place to ask? Did anyone see the program "Antenna" on TV in the UK several weeks ago? I have no TV and didn't see it, but apparently David Deutsch, a theoretical physicist from Oxford, was going on about time travel. Can anyone give a summary of what he said? Thanks in advance! -Norman Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!west.West.Sun.COM!smaug.West.Sun.COM!smaug.Eng.Sun.COM!acosta From: acosta@smaug.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Acosta) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. Date: 2 Sep 1992 19:16:40 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1833uoINNk9d@smaug.West.Sun.COM> References: <1992Aug18.225323.11942@news.unomaha.edu> <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> NNTP-Posting-Host: smaug In article <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: > > >And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of >handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully >held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced >him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat." Actually I believe the gun that he used was a very realistic looking toy and the person he forced to read his statement has "David Horiwitz" of "Fight Back!" fame. Correct me if I'm wrong > >To his credit, nobody was hurt. That would be hard to do with a toy gun! >------- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ROWHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU.BITNET~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >!!!!! ROB WALTERS/ EDITOR, SPHERIC (Global Monthly For Humans) !!!!!!!!!! Joe Acosta Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!uofs!prijat.cs.uofs.edu!bill From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?) Message-ID: <10984@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> Date: 2 Sep 92 16:42:29 GMT References: Sender: news@uofs.uofs.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Department of Computing Sciences Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: prijat.cs.uofs.edu In article , mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes: |> |> In any case, Liddy spent a number of years in jail, alive-- |> wouldn't your conspiracy theory have been better served if he had been |> killed there? If he was acting on the Agency's behalf, then he would |> have been a very, very loose end indeed. Killing Liddy in jail would |> have been very easy to arrange... |> How would you have arranged it?? Hit him in the head with an errant golf ball?? Short out the Jacuzzi?? Poison his Chateua Briand?? I hope you don't honestly expect anyone to believe that any of the Watergate Names went to places like Attica, Ossining or Alcatraz. They all (except I think for the one who refused to say anything even at his trial) did their time in places like Allenwood. A prison with a 18 hole golf course and a better library than most colleges so they can research their memoirs without having to wait for inter-library loans. Visit Allenwood sometime. It puts the concept of "political prisoner" into a whole new light. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | If this statement wasn't here, bill@platypus.uofs.edu | This space would be left intentionally blank bill@tuatara.uofs.edu | #include Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!uofs!prijat.cs.uofs.edu!bill From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One Message-ID: <10986@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> Date: 2 Sep 92 17:28:02 GMT References: <1992Aug25.182029.7482@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> <1992Aug26.104455.2701@mr.med.ge.com> <1992Aug26.181040.4302@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Sender: news@uofs.uofs.edu Organization: Department of Computing Sciences Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: prijat.cs.uofs.edu For those amazed at the fact that history doesn't necessarily reflect the accurate account of some of our inventions, and for those who think Marconi was a genius and Tesla just a nut, I suggest you do some research on both Nathan Stubblefield and Fr. Jozef Murgas. Stubblefield sent radio signals between two sites over land (a feat Marconi stated was no possible) years before Marconi's trans-atlantic dog&pony show. Fr. Murgas was not only operating radio transmitting and receiving stations between Wilkes-Barre & Scranton Pennsylvania earlier than Morconi's experiments, but Marconi even visited Fr. Murgas to see it. And yet we are still taught in school that Marconi "invented" radio. What a fraud. Isn't it just as likely that Tesla was the real genius and people like Edison merely profitted from the labors of others?? The true stories are there, but you have to dig to find them. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | If this statement wasn't here, bill@platypus.uofs.edu | This space would be left intentionally blank bill@tuatara.uofs.edu | #include Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!uofs!prijat.cs.uofs.edu!bill From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: ATTENTION: CIVIL WAR Chain Letter Message-ID: <10985@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> Date: 2 Sep 92 16:49:41 GMT References: <92239.091220WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Sender: news@uofs.uofs.edu Organization: Department of Computing Sciences Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: prijat.cs.uofs.edu All this, of course, assumes that Mr. Bush will be re-elected in November. I understand that's not necessarily a given at this point. Do the Grey's have an alternate plan, just in case?? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | If this statement wasn't here, bill@platypus.uofs.edu | This space would be left intentionally blank bill@tuatara.uofs.edu | #include Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!uofs!prijat.cs.uofs.edu!bill From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One Message-ID: <10983@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> Date: 2 Sep 92 16:19:31 GMT References: <1992Aug21.133104.16258@news.unomaha.edu> <1992Aug24.111438.19413@mr.med.ge.com> Sender: news@uofs.uofs.edu Organization: Department of Computing Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: prijat.cs.uofs.edu In article , wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes: |> book. If nothing else, it offers a prime example of how vested |> financial interests will conspire, lie, cheat and steal to protect |> themselves. You mean like with the case of the Tucker Automobile?? But then, this thread probably doesn't really belong in a.a.v, unless Tucker and Tesla were both aliens!! Hmmm.... Both names begin with "T". Just co-incidence?? Or maybe not... :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | If this statement wasn't here, bill@platypus.uofs.edu | This space would be left intentionally blank bill@tuatara.uofs.edu | #include Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!stiemsma From: stiemsma@engin.umich.edu (John David Stiemsma ) Subject: Re: FTP site Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:12:38 EDT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor References: <1675@sousa.ltn.dec.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mustang.engin.umich.edu Lines: 25 In article <1675@sousa.ltn.dec.com> hedron::daveb writes: > >Sorry but I lost my pointer to the FTP site for the UFO gifs etc. If someone >could give it to me that'd be great. E-mail is fine > >thanks in advance > >-- >/dave > >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| ESP, Steinberger, Fender, Kitty Hawk, Rivera, Rocktron, Alesis, Tascam, | >| Metaltronix, EMG, Semour Duncan, D'Addario rock on! | >| Midi rack pukes do it with 16 channels | >| The Sea refuses no river... | >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Hey I didn't know there was such a site. Please post this info to the group. :) -- # In your pomp and all your glory, ##### John Stiemsma # # You're a poorer man than me. # # E-Mail TO: # # As you lick the boots of death # # stiemsma@caen.engin.umich.edu # # Worn out of fear. -Jethro Tull ##### John.Stiemsma@um.cc.umich.edu # Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!nntp.hut.fi!vipunen.hut.fi!hpesonen From: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen) Subject: Two UFO sightings in Finland Message-ID: <1992Sep2.195736.15495@nntp.hut.fi> Sender: usenet@nntp.hut.fi (Usenet pseudouser id) Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Reply-To: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen) Organization: Helsinki University of Technology Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:57:36 GMT Lines: 114 In a nation wide evening newspaper was two articles about UFOs. Here is my direct translation, notice that English is not my native language. THREE UFOS IN SANTAHAMINA Conscript soldiers in Santahamina made a shocking sighting in Saturday evening in garrison area, when "three flying saucers" appeared behind the clouds. - They were at least the same size as a passenger plane, bright and silent, a conscript soldier describes his observations. During the summer there has been several UFO sightings around the Finland. Skeptics believe that UFO stories are inspired by economical depression. Three conscript soldiers in Santahamina claim to have seen three flying saucers in the sky flashing strange light. Conscripts are convinced that it was not any normal light effect or an aeroplane. Conscripts made their sighting in Saturday at 7 PM. - At first one flying object shaped like a saucer came into sight in the sky. Soon two other saucers appeared on both sides of the first one. We made jokes about it at first but decided to take pictures anyhow. - We thought that we keep the whole thing to ourselves because no one would believe us. However, after sleeping a night we decided to tell newspapers about the flying saucers. "We had no time to chat" The warm weather in Saturday didn't make conscripts to see visions. They are sure that the things were extra terrestial space craft. - They were such flying saucers which presumably some others, too, have seen. - Ships were visible a couple of minutes between the clouds. Then they disappeared as fast as they have turned up. - We had no time to talk. We concentrated only on taking pictures, one of the conscripts tells. Conscripts want to keep their identity secret as they are afraid of laying themselves open to ridicule in their unit. - Well this is an unbelievable story, conscripts state. No strange objects in air space Authorities have not received any information of strange flying objects. Helsinki-Vantaa ground control have not made observations of strange invaders in air space. The ground control in Pirkkala, Tampere, doesn't believe in UFO stories, either. Nothing differing from the normal has been seen. Flashing light phenomenon in Rantasalmi UFO BURNED CIRCLES ON LAWN According to experts a noteworthy UFO sighting has been revealed in the village of Tuusmaki in Rantasalmi. A nocturnal flashing phenomenon left behind circular, diameter of 125 cm, traces in regular pattern on farmer Reijo Jaaskelainen's lawn. The investigations of UFO event rated as noteworthy are unfinished. The farmer Jaaskelainen's wife woke up at night with a strange feeling and when she looked out she saw flashing light phenomena. According to her some phenomenon illuminated the whole nearby region. The incident happened on moonlight night in August. The woman also saw some "lighting" on the clear night sky. Reijo Jaaskelainen noticed in the morning that regular circular traces had appeared on the lawn. The grass had burned brown inside the traces the diameter of which is 125 cm. According to Jaaskelainen four circles lie about three meters apart and they form a square. The residents of nearby houses in Tuusmaki has acquainted with the miracle. The neighbors who had seen the frightening traces encouraged the farmer to look for help from authorities or UFO experts. After getting tips from the folk in farm an expert working in the Ultra magazine got acquainted with the UFO traces during the weekend. After preliminary examinations he stated that with great probability "the traces are real". According to the expert the marks in question might e.g. be traces of the landing stand of an unknown space ship. In the area of burned lawn there has not been measured any risen radiation as far as is known. UFO experts have anyhow taken with them photos of brown grass and a soil sample, the help of which the mystical traces are now analyzed more carefully. A formal report to the police of Rantasalmi has not been made as nothing exceptional other than nightly lights and the traces in the morning have been seen. E.g. no animals in farm are missing. - There is nothing exceptional if UFOs visit a yard at night, the police in duty in Rantasalmi are joking. Have there been any similar articles in newspapers in other countries? And if, how often? -- Harri Pesonen, Helsinki, Finland, Europe? Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9089 alt.conspiracy:18142 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!iat.holonet.net!uupsi!psinntp!avernus!mgfrank From: mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank) Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! References: <4fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:18:07 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep1.021807.6567@avernus.com> Lines: 20 In article <4fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: >JOAN HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A CLONE FOR THE PAST MONTH NOW...I BELIEVE SHE >MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION...PHONES ARE COMPLETELY TAPPED OUT... My god, my friend Roger was replaced with a clone too! It happened a few weeks ago. After I noticed that Roger wasn't quite Roger, I confronted him (it) about it and he (it) admitted that he (it) was a clone. Actually, I'm a little unclear on it. It's possible that it just took Roger's brain and replaced it with a clone. On the bright side, however, the clone said that it would return Roger soon. Marc G. Frank mgfrank@avernus.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Homer Simpson Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!news.weeg.uiowa.edu!news From: jagnow@al.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Jagnow) Subject: Supersonic wingless aircraft Message-ID: <1992Sep2.211706.2965@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Sender: news@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: al.weeg.uiowa.edu Reply-To: jagnow@al.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Jagnow) Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:17:06 GMT I heard something on the radio this morning about commercial airline pilots in california reporting a 'close encounter' with a wingless supersonic aircraft. I think the source was given as 'Aviation Week'. Anyone else catch the report -- or was I asleep at the time? Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!sybus.sybus.com!myrddin!tct!chip From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) Subject: Re: Maine Meteorite Sighting... Message-ID: <2AA5086B.64D9@tct.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:31:07 GMT Distribution: na References: <1992Aug31.155258.20961@cbnews.cb.att.com> Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL Lines: 9 According to mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com (bernard.t.hebert): > The control tower at the Brunswick Naval Air Station reported sighting > a low-flying meteorite... Meteorites don't fly low, or in any other way. -- Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT , <73717.366@compuserve.com> "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?" -- Dean Engelhardt Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!batcomputer!munnari.oz.au!metro!mama!andy From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter Message-ID: Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:13:11 GMT Lines: 7 anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes: >Well, August is nearly over and I haven't heard of these widespread >race riots yet. Well there are the neo-facists in Germany. -- Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au) "int - God's own type" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. Message-ID: Date: 2 Sep 92 21:22:38 GMT References: <1992Aug18.225323.11942@news.unomaha.edu> <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <1833uoINNk9d@smaug.West.Sun.COM> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 33 acosta@smaug.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Acosta) writes: >In article <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: >> >> >>And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of >>handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully >>held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced >>him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat." >Actually I believe the gun that he used was a very realistic looking >toy and the person he forced to read his statement has "David >Horiwitz" of "Fight Back!" fame. Correct me if I'm wrong >> >>To his credit, nobody was hurt. >That would be hard to do with a toy gun! >>------- >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ROWHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU.BITNET~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>!!!!! ROB WALTERS/ EDITOR, SPHERIC (Global Monthly For Humans) !!!!!!!!!! > Joe Acosta ***** That is correct... -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!batcomputer!reed!henson!news.u.washington.edu!nntp.uoregon.edu!cajal.uoregon.edu!johnm From: johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin) Subject: Re: Loose Lips Message-ID: <1992Sep2.214458.13289@nntp.uoregon.edu> Keywords: n Sender: news@nntp.uoregon.edu Organization: Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon References: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 21:44:58 GMT Lines: 27 In article <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com>, mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes: >So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty ground >pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw >something extraterrestrial? If there is/was a conspiracy, those at the >highest levels could eliminate a few people, perhaps (like the nurse who >sketched the alien corpses at Roswell?), but a wholesale elimination of >all low-level people involved simply isn't practical, or even wise. That >action alone would give away the conspiracy, I would think. I don't think it is necessary to even tell low-level personal to keep quiet. As long as the brass agree to deny everything, and publicly ridicule, or question the sanity of low-level people who do speak up, I'd bet that you'd have a deafening silence among them. Think of the commercial pilots who do not publicly acknowledge that they have seen a UFO, for fear of being though mentally unsound and losing their pilot's license. Sometimes, overt suppression is not even remotely necessary, or the most effective way to maintain silence... -- John Martin johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon, Eugene, OR, 97402 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!news2me.ebay.sun.com!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!texsun!csccat!ncmicro!ltf From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. Message-ID: <1992Sep2.150211.169@ncmicro.lonestar.org> Date: 2 Sep 92 15:02:11 GMT References: <1992Aug18.225323.11942@news.unomaha.edu> <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc. Lines: 43 In article <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: } }J.R. Stone writes: }> We're just saying that your a raving loony who shouldn't be }> trusted with anything sharper than a stick of warm butter. }>J.R. Stone }>University of Nebraska-Omaha }>Where everyone thinks Gary Stollman is a howling nut case. } }Mr. Stone, if you have nothing nice to say about Mr. Stollman, }then don't bother saying anything at all. It is you who is wasting }our time with poor food puns. } }And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of }handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully }held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced }him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat." } }To his credit, nobody was hurt. Right...he might have poked somebodies eye out! (See, Mom was right!) I beleive, if memory serves me correctly, that it was a Replica gun, not a real gun. Doesn't mean he wasn't capable of handling a real gun....doesn't mean he was. Just means he chose not to use a real one in this instance. (Note: That's Replica, not Replicant...the juries still out on whether Clone guns can fire. Which reminds me, have you checked your gun lately? Perhaps it's been replaced by a clone as well, just waiting to poke your eye out the next time you point it at a Grey!) Lance "SPAM-for-the-greys" Franklin -- Lance T. Franklin +----------------------------------------------+ (ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org) | "You want I should bop you with this here | NC Microproducts, Inc. | Lollipop?!?" The Fat Fury | Richardson, Texas +----------------------------------------------+ Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!rpi!bu.edu!dartvax!Robert.T.Warfield From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Supersonic wingless aircraft Message-ID: <1992Sep2.230052.13287@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 2 Sep 92 23:00:52 GMT References: <1992Sep2.211706.2965@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 8 X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a2@newshost.dartmouth.edu I heard about it this morning on NBC. ********************************************************************** * Authur, king of the Brittons * King of the who? * * King of the Brittons! * Who are the Brittons anyway? * * I am, you are, we all are the * * * Brittons and I am your king! * Well, I didn't vote for you. * ********************************************************************** Xref: icaen alt.astrology:2134 alt.folklore.science:3214 alt.alien.visitors:9097 alt.folklore.urban:49460 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!mucs!m1!toby From: toby@cs.man.ac.uk (Toby Howard) Newsgroups: alt.astrology,alt.folklore.science,alt.alien.visitors,alt.folklore.urban Subject: NON-PSYCHIC PSYCHIC SUPERSHOW!! Message-ID: Date: 2 Sep 92 15:38:01 GMT Sender: news@cs.man.ac.uk Followup-To: alt.astrology Distribution: alt Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester Lines: 34 A COMPLETE GUIDED TOUR OF THE TRICKS OF THE PSYCHIC TRADE! Spoon bending, psychic surgery, mind over matter, fortune-telling, mind-reading and other amazing stuff, faultlessly performed and then thoroughly explained! Come and see RICHARD MATHER, the country's leading authority on 'psychic' deception, reveal the methods which can be used to deliver 100% guaranteed genuine (well, not quite) psychic miracles to order. A thoroughly entertaining show, to which all are welcome. This is Richard Mather's first show in London, and his first ever to include a demonstration of 'psychic' surgery (perfectly harmless when you know how). A complete guided tour of the tricks of the psychic trade! DETAILS: Saturday 5 September 1992, 7.30pm. Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square, London WC1R Tickets on the door: 4 pounds. Journalists, researchers and producers admitted free by prior arrangement. For further information contact: Ian Rowland (Tel 081 664 6378) or Mike Hutchinson (Tel 081 508 2989) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Toby Howard Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester Lecturer Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL, United Kingdom Tel: +44 61-275-6274 toby@cs.man.ac.uk Fax: +44 61-275-6236 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Moon Activities? Message-ID: <1992Sep2.234703.21739@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 2 Sep 92 23:47:03 GMT References: <715021985.0@iphase.FidoNet.Org> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 19 In article <715021985.0@iphase.FidoNet.Org> Dana.Sandefur@iphase.UUCP (Dana Sandefur) writes: [...] > >Kennedy's lack of inside information during the Bay of Pigs invasion is just >one good example to show how presidents are sometimes quite uninformed. Was this because there were secret levels he was not told of? Or was it simply the result of poor communication? If the former, please back the statement up. RA rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu -------------------------- The NSA is now funding research not only in cryptography, but in all areas of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new research opportunities, just pick up your phone, call your mother, and ask for one. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!wpi.WPI.EDU!oconnor.WPI.EDU!drwho From: drwho@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: Sender: news@wpi.WPI.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: oconnor.wpi.edu Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute References: <25424@castle.ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:57:15 GMT Lines: 19 > ># Regrettably our files do not say for certain, but we have good reason to >#believe that Pat Robertson is one of the Alien false prophets. Our analysis >#of tapes from the Republican convention shows the presence of powerful >#subliminal messages during Robertson's speech. We where unable to isolate >#them electronically, however with great prodding we obtained the use of a >#PET scan machine. The results where frightening, Pat Robertson's speech was >#setting off TEN TIMES the more brain activity than the greatest speeches of >#Adolf Hitler and Stalin! Wow, technology gets better all the time. You can tape a speech, and then scan the minds of the audience *later* by using a PET machine on the *tape*. --E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu) # "You have not heard one negative comment Disclaimer: "It's all absolutely # from me about the other two people who devastatingly true, except the bits # want my job. And you *won't* hear any that are lies." --Douglas Adams # until... um, the middle of August." # --George Bush, June 1992 Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11623 alt.alien.visitors:9100 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65151@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:22:42 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> <64271@cup.portal.com> Lines: 9 Dear Friends: Someone just pointed out that the total people in our party was not 7 but 9. Sorry about that. I just got back from my trip to Mt. Shasta for 4 days. I met a person that owns the next plot of land by me on Mt. Shasta who in the past has known personally the following people; Nola VanValer, Sister Thedra and Mother Mary (not to be confused with the mother of Jesus). He had been given 24 of the magnetic tape recordings that were channeled by the people inside of Mt. Shasta. He has offered to make me some casette copies of the material. John Winston. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9101 alt.conspiracy:18145 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!phage!pjm From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 92 01:27:08 GMT References: <4fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> <1992Sep1.021807.6567@avernus.com> Sender: news@phage.cshl.org Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs Lines: 31 In article <1992Sep1.021807.6567@avernus.com> mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank) writes: >In article <4fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: >>JOAN HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A CLONE FOR THE PAST MONTH NOW...I BELIEVE SHE >>MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION...PHONES ARE COMPLETELY TAPPED OUT... > >My god, my friend Roger was replaced with a clone too! It happened a >few weeks ago. After I noticed that Roger wasn't quite Roger, I >confronted him (it) about it and he (it) admitted that he (it) was a >clone. Actually, I'm a little unclear on it. It's possible that it >just took Roger's brain and replaced it with a clone. > >On the bright side, however, the clone said that it would return Roger >soon. the only way to detect a clone, unfortunately, is to wack it over the head with a 2x4. if the eyes motion mechanically when struck in this manner, it is a clone. so basically, the clones will take over the universe because most humans simply wont do that -- drats, foiled by our own humanity! WAIT! there is another way! when they are taking a shower sneak a listen to see if they sing this song: i am a clone i am not alone every fiber of my flesh and bone is identical to the other -- -- Pat Monardo -- pjm@cshl.org Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!yale.edu!yale!gumby!destroyer!ubc-cs!mprgate.mpr.ca!mprgate.mpr.ca!spani From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani) Subject: Re: Loose Lips Message-ID: <1992Sep3.012235.15585@mprgate.mpr.ca> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Keywords: n Sender: news@mprgate.mpr.ca Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada References: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> <1992Sep2.214458.13289@nntp.uoregon.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:22:35 GMT Lines: 49 In article <1992Sep2.214458.13289@nntp.uoregon.edu>, johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin) writes: |> In article <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com>, mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes: |> |> >So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty ground |> >pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw |> >something extraterrestrial? If there is/was a conspiracy, those at the |> >highest levels could eliminate a few people, perhaps (like the nurse who |> >sketched the alien corpses at Roswell?), but a wholesale elimination of |> >all low-level people involved simply isn't practical, or even wise. That |> >action alone would give away the conspiracy, I would think. |> |> |> I don't think it is necessary to even tell low-level personal to keep quiet. |> As long as the brass agree to deny everything, and publicly ridicule, or |> question the sanity of low-level people who do speak up, I'd bet that you'd |> have a deafening silence among them. |> |> Think of the commercial pilots who do not publicly acknowledge that they |> have seen a UFO, for fear of being though mentally unsound and losing their |> pilot's license. |> |> Sometimes, overt suppression is not even remotely necessary, or the most |> effective way to maintain silence... |> |> |> -- |> John Martin johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu |> Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon, Eugene, OR, 97402 There is also some "law" in the U.S. which could subject any military personel who talk about a UFO sighting to several years in jail and the loss of any pensions/benefits they might have earned. This could keep people pretty quit well into retirement. I don't have my references with me (I'm at work - coffee break - honest ;^), but the phrase "JANAP" comes to mind. I also seem to remember something about the Air Force and the number 10 (10 years in jail?, $10,000 fine?) Anyone have the particulars with 'em? I would be particularly interested in knowing if the law is still in effect. I'm pretty sure we would never know if it was applied ;^) -- *********************************************************************** | Leonard E. Spani | //!?\\ | (disclaimer-p) | | spani@mprgate.mpr.ca | \\?!// | t | *****************-<( "everybody thinks I'm paranoid" )>-*************** Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?) Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 92 01:49:38 GMT References: <10984@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 26 bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) write: How would you have arranged it?? Hit him in the head with an errant golf ball?? Short out the Jacuzzi?? Poison his Chateua Briand?? ... Actually, no. You're far better off waving around almost *any* Watergate name in this regard than Liddy. Liddy did actually do hard time, with "general population" prisoners. Mostly this is due to his refusal to plead guilty, or give information. (This is not to say I admire Liddy, he's a pretty crazy guy.) Ol' "Maximum John" Sirica didn't much care for that. None of the other Watergate figures did worse the "country club time", true, but not Liddy -- that's why I suggest you pick on somebody else (like Hunt.) They all (except I think for the one who refused to say anything even at his trial) ... that was Liddy. Look, I don't ask that you change your basic argument (necessarily), but you don't have be inaccurate in your backing-up-facts. Now, if we could just remember what we started out discussing... :-) Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!bcstec!kuryakin From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Spiritual growth Keywords: Fasting Message-ID: <3553@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: 2 Sep 92 23:34:05 GMT References: <1992Sep2.013526.15608@newsroom.utas.edu.au> <1992Sep2.083437.23912@ntb.ch> Organization: Boeing Lines: 14 In article <1992Sep2.083437.23912@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: > OK, I was alluding to Jesus. I think he specially went That'll work... >to fast. John the Baptist ate locusts in the desert. No matter how disgusting, eating locusts is NOT fasting. Rick -- Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program. | Seattle, WA | It wastes your time | and annoys the droid. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11626 alt.alien.visitors:9105 sci.skeptic:30365 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65161@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:18:18 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <64571@cup.portal.com> <2489@israel.nysernet.org> <65091@cup.portal.com> Lines: 25 Dear Folks: Well it's Astral Train Wednesday at about 800 PM and I didn't get to remind everyone about the 6th weekly running. It seemed that last night the computer system automatically kicked me off of the system because I had too much E-mail. I got rid of a lot of it so I'm up and running again. Bridget said that last week when she went into astral projection she went to Mt. Shasta but made a wrong turn and wound up in a place having an older lady help her out. Such is life. Now if you will, please let me tell you about a method that I once learned by reading a book by Michael X. Barton, of contacting the flying saucers. To do this a person should tune up their mind to the highest frequency that they can produce. To reach this frequency it is suggested that you think mentally about some high thought such as the Lord's Prayer or some peaceful situation. When you have done this on a dark, moonless uncloudy night, look up in the sky and think about the people in the UFOs. Say to them mentally and or outloud, Space people if you are there streak through the air as I count down from 10 to zero. Then count down from 10 to zero very slowly. When you get to zero say, Now. They will then streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line like a shooting star). Do the counting again and ask them to do it again this time from north to south. Next do it east to west, then ask them to do it someway different (they will probubly do it straight up and down). If you have yound people with you they will probubly be able to hear someone talking in a strange language. Be sure and get your frequency as high as you can so you'll only get the good guys. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65162@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:21:58 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <61006@cup.portal.com> <64423@cup.portal.com> <64691@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug26.222044.4399@mprgate.mpr.ca> <28AUG199210521278@jane.uh.edu> Lines: 4 Dear Ley Liners: I back and up on the computer again and will try to post something soon. Gotta go. John Winston Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: in-body-experience Message-ID: <1992Sep3.030022.22915@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 3 Sep 92 03:00:22 GMT References: <1992Aug31.184104.23889@engage.pko.dec.com> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 16 In article <1992Aug31.184104.23889@engage.pko.dec.com> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes: [...] > >He very clearly said it was FICTION. If this is true, I sincerely apologize. RA rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu -------------------------- The NSA is now funding research not only in cryptography, but in all areas of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new research opportunities, just pick up your phone, call your mother, and ask for one. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 05:24:56 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1992Aug18.225323.11942@news.unomaha.edu> <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <1992Sep2.150211.169@ncmicro.lonestar.org> Lines: 77 ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) writes: >In article <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: >} >}J.R. Stone writes: >}> We're just saying that your a raving loony who shouldn't be >}> trusted with anything sharper than a stick of warm butter. >}>J.R. Stone >}>University of Nebraska-Omaha >}>Where everyone thinks Gary Stollman is a howling nut case. >} >}Mr. Stone, if you have nothing nice to say about Mr. Stollman, >}then don't bother saying anything at all. It is you who is wasting >}our time with poor food puns. >} >}And if you really must know, Gary Stollman is quite capable of >}handling a firearm. It is a matter of record that he successfully >}held a gun on a television newsman during a live broadcast and forced >}him to read a statement concerning the "alien threat." >} >}To his credit, nobody was hurt. >Right...he might have poked somebodies eye out! (See, Mom was right!) >I beleive, if memory serves me correctly, that it was a Replica >gun, not a real gun. Doesn't mean he wasn't capable of handling a >real gun....doesn't mean he was. Just means he chose not to use a >real one in this instance. ***** I choose to use an empty toy BB gun for two reasons. First, because it looked like a real gun, thus making me seem to have a threat that would convince him to read the paper. Second, I figured since my dad worked at the studio, and I had a guest pass to enter, that even if I was arrested, they wouldn't be able to charge me with anything. The best of both worlds, so to speak. Actually, the Burbank police did NOT want to arrest me, and offered me a chance to simply walk away clean, with the stipulation that I check myself into a mental hospital. I took too long to think it over, so they trumped up the baloney charges against me. I was afraid of being forced into another hospital I guess, although the end result would have been a hell of a lot better than what took place! As it was, I was beaten up in jail by a convict while the guards next to me stared blankly up at the ceiling. On my way out, they gave me a filthy shirt to put on while they were supposedly "looking" for my jacket, when actually they had given it to my mom and cousin who were waiting outside for 3 hours. They made me sit there for an hour or so with it on, but after only 15 minutes, my lip broke open and started to bleed. Although when I got outside, I ripped the shirt off in anger and threw it away, when I went to UCLA-NPI, I almost died of the worst viral infection I had ever experienced. And that wasn't the only attempts on my life. While I was sitting there with the shirt on, unrelated to it, three guys sitting in the waiting room just beyond reach shouted, "GARY STOLLMAN!!" and began circling the anteroom. The "guard" came in and told them to sit down. If I hadn't have been so stupid, sitting there with a infected shirt on, I would have thanked him. >(Note: That's Replica, not Replicant...the juries still out on whether > Clone guns can fire. Which reminds me, have you checked your > gun lately? Perhaps it's been replaced by a clone as well, just > waiting to poke your eye out the next time you point it at a > Grey!) >Lance "SPAM-for-the-greys" Franklin >-- >Lance T. Franklin +----------------------------------------------+ >(ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org) | "You want I should bop you with this here | >NC Microproducts, Inc. | Lollipop?!?" The Fat Fury | >Richardson, Texas +----------------------------------------------+ -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!ak35+ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO spotted in PA ??? Message-ID: From: Andy Kurtz Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:12:37 -0400 References: <1992Sep2.125323.4524@cbnews.cb.att.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA In-Reply-To: <1992Sep2.125323.4524@cbnews.cb.att.com> Lines: 20 > When I returned home from work last night, the wife said she > heard on the radio that a UFO had been spotted somewhere in > Pennsylvania. There wasn't very much to the report she said, > except an eye-witness who said that it looked like a glowing > disk seen from edge-on, and it was silent. The eye-witness > also said it was "un-earthly". The UFO was spotted in around 5 or 6 counties from Harrisburg to north of Pittsburgh. News coverage of the event was quite good as there were many witnesses and videos (it moved slowly across a number of picnics, etc.). The official explanation is that it was the Airship Glidden (internally lit) moving across PA. This might be the case; however, the video shows bulging at the top of the object not at the bottom as you would expect from an airship. I have not reviewed my copy of the video since I taped it, but when I do, I will post more. BTW -- anyone familiar with this particular airship. I'd like to see a daylight photo of it... andy Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11627 alt.alien.visitors:9110 sci.skeptic:30379 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!grip.cis.upenn.edu!jmv From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 3 Sep 92 06:05:43 GMT References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: talk.religion.newage Organization: GRASP Lab Lines: 72 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: > Dear Folks: Well it's Astral Train Wednesday at about 800 PM and I didn't > get to remind everyone about the 6th weekly running. It seemed that last > night the computer system automatically kicked me off of the system > because I had too much E-mail. I don't get it...your computer kicked you out of the Astral Train ? How rude.... > I got rid of a lot of it so I'm up and > running again. Bridget said that last week when she went into astral > projection she went to Mt. Shasta but made a wrong turn and wound up > in a place having an older lady help her out. Such is life. I wonder why they don't put more signs on those damn Astral Highways. > Now if you > will, please let me tell you about a method that I once learned by > reading a book by Michael X. Barton, of contacting the flying saucers. To > do this a person should tune up their mind to the highest frequency that > they can produce. To reach this frequency it is suggested that you think > mentally about some high thought such as the Lord's Prayer or some > peaceful situation. Please note: you have to think MENTALLY. Whatever that means. Note 2: Lord's Prayer = peaceful situation. As I remember, most people pray while in trouble. > When you have done this on a dark, moonless uncloudy > night, look up in the sky and think about the people in the UFOs. Say to > them mentally and or outloud, Space people if you are there streak > through the air as I count down from 10 to zero. Then count down from > 10 to zero very slowly. When you get to zero say, Now. They will then > streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line like a > shooting star). Do the counting again and ask them to do it again this > time from north to south. Next do it east to west, then ask them to do > it someway different (they will probubly do it straight up and down). Wait ! I want to take pictures !!!! > If you have yound people with you they will probubly be able to hear > someone talking in a strange language. Be sure and get your frequency > as high as you can so you'll only get the good guys. > John Winston. Yes, you don't want to meet an Astral Bad Guy ! Keep up, John, I've never laughed so much... :) :) JM. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!cc.tut.fi!no104956 From: no104956@cc.tut.fi (Ojala Nikolas) Subject: FTP site Message-ID: <1992Sep3.073514.8991@cc.tut.fi> Organization: Tampere University of Technology Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 07:35:14 GMT Lines: 16 Someone asked information about an anonymous FTP -site for UFO -related pics. The only one I know is: phoenix.oulu.fi Try subdirectory: pub/ufo_and_space_pics Nikolas -- " Nikolas Petri Ojala # Static truth is # My home address is: " " An Engineering Student of # dead truth and only # Finninmaenkatu 4 H 75 " "Tampere University of Tech. # dead truth can be # 33700 Tampere Finland " " no104956@cc.tut.fi # held as a theory. # See: It was my text. " Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: Second Annual International UFO Congress Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 07:54:28 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 63 I promised to post this in a previous post, and a few people wrote me asking for more info, so here goes: This is the second year that a conference of UFO researchers from around the world will conviene in LV called the International UFO Congress. It will be held Sat., November 28th to Thurs., Dec.3rd at the Hacienda Hotel, LV, NV. Cost is $770 advance for two persons sharing a room, and this includes all events, like dinner and lunches, cocktail party and all speakers, and room. So I found this to be a real bargain, if you can get away for a week to LV with another interested party. Individual rate is $570, since you have to pay for the single room. Anyway, the line-up of speakers and subjects are impressive, indeed. Here is a short sampling among many speakers, these are the ones that look most interesting to me: Glen Steckling - Scientific evaluation of Adamski photos and witnesses. Robert Dean - Sued the government for UFO coverup, and Won! Col. Wendle Stevens - presenting over 100 worldwide UFO fotos and 100 journals. Dr. Leo Dias Martinez - Mexican Dr. that examined extraterestrial. First public appearance. Prof. Sun Shi-Li - China researcher tell's of captured alien craft in his governments hands. Stanton Friedman - New book on Crash at Corona - over 100 witnesses saw reckage. Budd Hopkins - Famous abduction researcher. Dr. James Harder - REsearcher extraordinar 2020 Group, Michael Lindemann, Ralph Stiener - These two gents will set the congress on fire with their interviews of workers in Antellope Valley under- ground bases that report sightings of aliens working with US personnel! Backs up what B. Lazar has to say in many details... George Knapp - TV news person who has aired many documentaries on UFO's, B. Lazar, and the Nevada Test Site, Area 51. Patric Ferrin - Belgium; rampant sightings of large triangle UFO's has US researchers jumping the puddle to have a look. Many close up pictures I would guess, based on books I have seen on the subject... Lee Elders - UFO's near volcanos - amazing UFO pictures are promised. And the KICKER for me: Bert Stubblebine, MG (Ret.) - Head of PSITECH, a firm whose job is to remote view events, past, present or future, for government and industry. Dr. Steven Greer M.D.- CE5 encounters have been sucessful for this very contriversial and dedicated researcher. His premiss has been to instigate contacts of an interactive type, instead of collecting information after the fact as most researchers do. If you, like me , have a very hard time getting away for a week to do something like this, I would recommend the Best OF IUFOC that toured the country last year after the first congress. this is the presentation I attended, and consists of a giant video screen, and 3 days of taped sessions edited such that most of what transpired at the convention is available in a condensed form and much less expensive to attend; ~$60. I am hoping that Bob Brown of Video City Productions will do this again next year and if so, I will let everyone know when and where ot look for it. For info on the congress, talk to Bob at VCP: 510-428-0202 Jeff- Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30384 alt.alien.visitors:9113 talk.religion.newage:11628 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!Don_-_Showen From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <65185@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 02:10:09 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <64745@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> <1992Sep1.173116.3891@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Lines: 211 I see a lot of people have missed the earlier threads that led up to this one. So I am going to repost selected Pleiadian transcripts to cover some of the questions being asked. I have posted Pleiadian articles from Connecting Link Magazine over the last few months. I have posted articles from issue 1-13 and 15. (14 is waiting to be scanned.) The following is reprinted from Connecting Link Magazine. Copyright by Barbra Marcinaik. Reprinted with permission. The number in () at the beginning is the issue that the article came from. Why don't you try something new when reading this, leave your beliefs and judgements hanging at the door of your mind and really get into conceptualizing what my friends here are communicating. I promise it will change you in ways you can't currently imagine. Come on, give it a try go hang up those beliefs and judgements, they will be there when you get back. Although they may be a little lighter when you put them back on. Don Showen (15) QUESTION: You have mentioned before about the DNA structure in the body changing and that extra strands of DNA are actually coming into the body. Can you speak about this? PLEIADIANS: The evolving helixes are filled with information. They make up your DNA. You have seen there are two strands of your DNA that look like a ladder that is spiraled around. This spiral of the DNA is made up, each strand, of millions of tiny infinitesimal light-encoded filaments just like fiber optics. These fiber optics come together and allow a tremendous amount of energy to be transmitted. If you take the idea of super-conductor coupled with fiber optics and bring the super-conductor to a frequency or a temperature where it can be accessible, you are on the verge of an information explosion in the physical world. The physical world is a clue to the spiritual world. The world of spirit, the world of self evolving is on the verge of a room temperature super-conductor coming together with fiber optics. Information explosion. Cheap energy. Free energy. Everything given to you. It all has to do with the evolving lightencoded filaments. At one time in your history certain creator gods who put themselves in charge of your planet needed to have you operate in a certain way in order to control you. They needed to unplug your intelligence and so they did. So the light-encoded filaments were scattered. They were not connected. They are beginning to connect now because of the mutation process that is timed because certain humans have agreed to evolve, to merge many worlds and to be able to attempt a noble effort to translate other worlds of reality onto this world. The quest to translate worlds and to make them merge and all make sense to free people, to free yourself. These helixes evolve in sets of three. First the one starts and it makes three. Then three more evolve. Then three more. Then finally you have twelve. Twelve strands of helixes bundled together individually, a multitude of light-encoded filaments. When these twelve helixes, twelve strands of many, many light-encoded filaments begin to vibrate within the body, each of those strands corresponds to a chakra center. The chakra centers are your energy centers. There are multitudes of chakra centers. There are multitudes of potential helixes that can form. Right now the most, the common denominator that the consciousness of man can handle without destroying himself is twelve. Many humans could handle multitudes more and activate many more chakra centers and many will. It is the status quo that is being raised now, that is being established, a new standard. So this evolutionary process will take place. For some it will take a while. All of this must travel through frequency of human encountering human around the planet because each human contact broadcasts it. So, of course, after a while the telepathic storehouse of it is so vast that it covers the planet and it becomes what man is. These twelve helixes plug into the twelve chakra systems seven in the body, five outside the body. The seven in the body are not too difficult to work with because if you allow yourself to feel, you can physically touch and locate all of these places. It is when you get to the five outside of the body that you must begin to find new ways to figure out what is going on with something that you don't even know for sure is real. The eighth chakra is in your realm of activity. It hovers anywhere between twelve inches and for some people further than that. Most keep the eighth chakra center close. The ninth will stay close as well, within a few feet, until the nine helixes are formed. Once the nine helixes are formed this chakra will move out into the atmosphere of the Earth so that it becomes more of an Earth chakra, connecting into the gridwork. It is a link. The tenth, eleventh and twelve move much further. The tenth chakra once it is in line and plugged in will be in your solar system. The eleventh will move out into your galactic system and the twelfth will be located and anchored someplace in this universe. You will receive and be affected by information from these personal centers. These personal centers are collective centers as well. Just as your other personal chakra centers are collective centers as well. You must learn to translate the experience. You can see life is not going to be too much the same anymore. Not all people on the planet are going through this right now because they are not all coded to respond at this particular time. Each person came in with a certain order, a map of when and where and how you can best operate. Many of you are learning how to follow that plan of the self that will lead you to discover the exalted self. Once you learn how to do it, life becomes effortless. Everything does become quite effortless because you become a vehicle for Light and you are moved by your intention to commit. Different humans will be hit with the changes at different times. It would not do to have it all at once. It would create chaos. There is a certain order that is needed. As each one is able to translate the experience, they can turn to someone to assist them. For the beginning people it can be very difficult. You are the way showers. Once you are able to do it you make the path and show the others. The more humans that can translate their experience, the more humans that can go and have experiences and not feel out of control with them but can cultivate them, go into them, gather information, change probabilities, move onto the corridor of time, alter their own lives and then come out with complete and total use of will as to how they use these altered states, the more that can do this, then the acceleration will be absolutely phenomenal. Then, when there are that many consciousnesses on the planet registering that kind of ability, then the whole network that organizes and monitors human consciousness alters itself and more energy is able to come onto the planet because there are those that can accommodate it. Everyone must learn to accommodate this energy. It must learn to be housed. It is like an oil well. What good do oil wells do you if they are untapped and shooting off here, there and everywhere? Very little. It is just a mucky mess. When, however, you take an oil well, natural gas or a waterfall and you insert your will for it and you put a purpose together or a way of directing the energy, then wealth occurs for those who direct those natural resources. You are being given an incredible natural resource at this time and you must tap it and direct it and you will all become very wealthy individuals. If you want wealth in the material world then that may be what you draw for yourself. But you will become wealthy in the realms of accessibility, in the realms of mastery. (8) QUESTION: I was wondering about a coding in our DNA system and how it continues from embodiment to embodiment. PLEIADIANS: From your perspective when you come into body, you very very carefully select who would be the family that would allow you to have the characteristics that would enable you to represent yourself in the fashion that you are after. Many individuals have stored within themselves what are called recessive characteristics. In this time, many recessive characteristics are coming to the surface. Many recessives have been crossed together so that the dominates are moving in the background. You select with care the lineage that holds within its own storage of information that which you can utilize. Your DNA is long strands of chromosomal matter stored inside the cells. These very long, thin types of filament hold different codings for how the body would be projected whether you would be musicians, whether you would be female, whether you would be male, whether you would have blond hair, the tendencies of expression of health versus the manifestation of discomfort, or whatever. What the scientists have uncoded is perhaps one-millionth of what is there. They know that they have only scratched the surface of what is there. But they are thinking that all of this entire filament is filled with superfluous material. Junk as they would call it junk DNA. That it has no purpose. That it is about nothing. This coding is genetically stored and has been dormant, recessive within many lines of families. When you come into body you carefully select a family that has a certain lineage so that in the times that are coming, you are knowing that with your assignment to bring light to the planet you will have the ability to fire that which has been termed the junk DNA and to move into an awakening of new abilities within yourselves. As you do this you will assist the rest of mankind to do it. You are now not all that you can be. You are becoming more. In your lifetimes you will birth new abilities within yourselves. You will birth literally new beings by activating this DNA that has been stored away. It is true. You assist this activation when you get into what is called oxygenation of the system. When you breathe. When you bring in oxygen into the body, it fires the DNA coding and activates it. Not only could this coding be fired by oxygenation, those that are called creator gods look out over you and see how you do. They are creating a method of altering who you are and that altering is coming through the energy acceleration. All of these things work upon the body and allow the body to change. That is why if you are wanting something now and you think you are not capable of it, relax. You will be capable of it. Trust your wantings. They are about something. The capabilities will follow. (11) Expand your ideas, particularly in the areas of aging and immortality, about who you can be. You can revitalize yourselves. There are ancient sciences, as we may call them, on your planet who have spoken of the importance of the breath over and over again. And yet to you it all seems like too much work. What do you all have in common with one another throughout the entire planet? You all need to breathe. Is that not so? And what is it this oxygen does to your system? It regenerates it. It activates what is going on inside. In this time of energy acceleration it would behoove each and every one of you to add more oxygen to your being. There are many ways to do this. The most simplistic is to become consciously aware of your breath. Through the breath you can do many things. You can activate the crystalline structures or deactivate the crystalline structures. You can activate your own self. You can clear energy that is coming between two beings purely by inhaling and releasing. You can bring about a state of great calmness. You can bring about a state of altered consciousness. You can bring about a state of healing. You can bring about, eventually, a state of teleportation and bi-location and dematerialization. This is all something that you are working towards. The second part of our discussion is about being in preparation and what it is to have contact. Contact has existed on your planet from the very beginning. There have been those that have come down and it has been their life journey to sojourn on your planet and to teach cultures. There are those who are even on this day sequestered away within the deep catacombs, as you would call them, the deep underground tunnels and monasteries of your ancient Tibetan area that house the bodies of those who are kept in what you would call perpetuity so that they can be reminded of the star teachers who have given so much to this planet. Whenever mankind has made a leap forward that leap has come because mankind has been guided and because mankind asked for assistance. Much information is transferred to your planet in a variety of ways. Each and every one of you is on the verge of having great volumes of information come through to you. It is up to you whether you are going to believe this. It is up to you whether you are going to call out and ask for a teacher and ask for the assistant that you are needing in this moment to bring about your life's work and fulfillment. You are all here for really important reasons. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9114 alt.conspiracy:18149 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 09:00:04 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Summary: Some more on the kinds of wierd things that happened to me... Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman Lines: 119 In another of the hospitalizations, this one in the Tallahassee Psychiatric Hospital, I discovered something about the power of the forces against us and it's nature. I was coming out of the Day Room, just a few yards down the hall from anywhere else in a long corridor that makes up one of the wards of this hospital built after the original one which was it's predecessor, when two kids came running around the corner, a girl and a guy about 16 or so. They ran into the bathroom and I never saw them again. When I saw that they hadn't come out of the bathroom after a few seconds, I ran over to it. The frame of the doorway was pulsing with energy, a sort of throbbing sound, and there was only a tub and a toilet in the room. As other experiences, the two kids had VANISHED INTO THIN AIR!! This elderly black guy came over to the doorway and put his hands on the frame, searching with his fingers, as if trying to see how the damn thing worked. This particular black guy had previously been involved in quite a unusual occurence. He went into his room wearing only a hospital gown, then came out a few minutes later wearing a fancy suit with a fancy pen in his upper pocket. One of the girls ("nurses") at the desk said, "Why here comes Jack Frampton, that FAMOUS movie star!!" Then she turned to the other nurse and said, "The Army was here before, and Mr. Frampton (can't remember the exact name she used, too long ago) was signing autographs for the Captain." About an hour before this, a guy with an Army uniform on wearing sidearms had come into the unit, and this same transformation had taken place. The "nurses" had introduced the "Captain" to this "famous movie star" and he told him how MUCH he enjoyed his "movies," and asked for his autograph. Now, the way you interpret this is the way to interpret ALL of what I have been through! That is, SOMEONE is trying to convince SOMETHING alien to this planet and our notions of things that this is what is real to us, when it is actually bogus. This "ploy" has cropped up time and time again in the hospitals I have been forced into, along with the knowledge that the people working there were able to read my mind directly. I know because I would think things which would cause responses directly in line with this belief. I knew that these "things" (clones, whatever) had NO concept of time as we know it. They also obviously had no knowledge of our other concepts, and it was apparent that SOMEONE with the power and ability to deceive them was trying VERY hard to do so! I assumed this was because they knew that these "beings" could destroy our existence quite easily, so the extreme attempt to confuse them as to the REAL movie stars, Army, time, etc. This has cropped up time and time again in my experiences inside these places, and I feel the person who spoke about how the ENTIRE U.S. medical profession had been taken over by clones in 1977 may NOT have been wrong! This would definitely explain how I was confined so easily and my records forged so extensively. I had a friend on Plato, who I confided these things to, who listened to what was going on, then told me to hang tight, and that he would get back to me. About two weeks later, after having not heard a peep from him for all that time, he did a term-talk to me late one night while I was on the computer. He was frantic and told me to get off of Plato, and computers, said how "those bastards" didn't trust anyone on computers. I found this to be quite a disturbing thing to tell me, so I asked him what the hell he was talking about. He told me his dad worked for the CIA, and that he had gotten my file after trying unsucessfully for some time. He told me that the file was a mile long, and although he didn't specify what exactly was contained in it, he made it clear to me in no uncertain terms that if I didn't do EXACTLY what he was urging me to do, that I would be driven insane. He cursed at them many times and told me they wouldn't allow his dad to "farm out." I had NO reason to doubt this person, as I had played games on Plato with him many times, and he was always a gentleman and a nice guy. The WAY he appeared suddenly out of the blue and told me these things indicated to me that he was being honest with me. Also, several days later, someone from the same site contacted me, and DEMANDED to know if I knew this person in a fit of obvious unprovoked rage. I asked him what the hell he was talking about and he immediately broke the connection. After explaining the situation to some of this person's friends at the site gradually over a period of time, they finally admitted to me that his dad DID in fact work for the CIA. When I sent him a note abuot how I was gonna sue the CIA for everything they had, he immediately called me up, and tried to talk me into leaving Tallahassee forever. I was pretty ignorant at the time and have been pretty much during most of this, and so I told him I would see him in court and hung up the connection. He desperately tried to Term-Talk me again, but I wouldn't answer his calls, believing that he was holding back information vital to my well-being at the time. The other thing that happened to absolutely convince me how large this thing was, was when I asked someone on Plato at FSU for help, having gotten scared over what my friend had told me. They referred me to someone at a small church in town there, who told me he would help me if he could. However, when I called him up and asked him to drive over to my apartment to explain the situation to him, some pretty wierd shit stuff happened. He drove up, and I went down to the parking lot to meet him. I was living at a apartment complex on the edge of town at that time, a beautiful place lined with Oak trees. We started walking and I started to explain the situation. Then I got to a point where I said something to the effect that I was madder than hell, and was going to send to the FBI for my records. He suddenly became frantic, and said to me, "NO, don't do THAT!" Then, desperately, "They probably wouldn't give them to you, they don't want to risk millions of dollars in law suits!!" At that moment, two guys dressed up in typical Southern-Boy type apparel, came up to us from around the corner of the building. One was sporting a knife in one hand. They said there was a "prowler" in the area, and they were looking for him. My "friend" said LOUDLY, "Oh, a PROWLER, HUH!!" One of the guys said, "Yeh, he put a bullet into Mrs. So-and-so's window in apartment so-and-so last night, and we're going to find him and skin him." My helper just went along with them, as if they were for real. I knew otherwise, I can SMELL someone pretending a mile away. The two guys told us that the Sheriff was on his way, although I never saw any police there later, and I definitely would have KNOWN it if someone had fired a shot anywhere in my vicinity. It was utter hogwash, a made-up scenario for my benefit. When the two guys disappeared, my aquaintance looked me right in the eyes and asked me if I thought the two guys had been making the whole thing up and if I knew if they were pretending or not. I told him that the whole thing was a load of horseshit, and suddenly he became absolutely TERRIFIED and told me he couldn't help me, and ran to his car and drove off. Never saw or heard of him again. I DID contact the person on Plato who had referred him to me, and they assured me that he was trying to help me, and then I knew that they were full of shit. Setups, setups, and more setups! That was my life during that period of time... -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30387 alt.alien.visitors:9115 talk.religion.newage:11629 Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!mineng.dmpe.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!metro!extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU!matth From: matth@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Matthew Hannigan) Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <1992Sep3.032726.26245@ucc.su.OZ.AU> Summary: toast and soup - yum! Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: AODC, but I don't speak for them. References: <64365@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug21.050443.12829@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au> <64743@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:27:26 GMT Lines: 8 In article <64743@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: >And another source says that ETs have bread with earth stock many different >times. Yeah? I have toast and butter with soup made from stock many different times. Is this a similar deal? I have heard of earth eaters, tho'. matt@aodc20.aodc.gov.au Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11631 alt.alien.visitors:9116 sci.skeptic:30394 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65194@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:22:52 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> Lines: 9 Dear People on the Physical Plane: By George JM I think you've nearly got it. I just got back from the OOBE experience and didn't see any buggers this time so that is a good sign. I just got through sending D. a lot of pertinent poop (videos, book and etc.) for her class that she is starting at the University called Penn. There is one book I didn't send that I recommend everbody read and I may send it to them later. It's called Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda. By the way my dog's name is Yogi. By the way Don Showen also sent her a lot of material. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65195@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:34:17 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <61006@cup.portal.com> <64423@cup.portal.com> <64691@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug26.222044.4399@mprgate.mpr.ca> <28AUG199210521278@jane.uh.edu> <65162@cup.portal.com> Lines: 5 Dear Ley Men and Women: That should have been I'm back up on the computer. I've put down my experiences on the trip to the 30,000 year old city and will be posting them later if all goes well. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!anson From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter Message-ID: <6nlnwx_.anson@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 13:23:16 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> Lines: 19 andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) writes: >anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes: >>Well, August is nearly over and I haven't heard of these widespread >>race riots yet. >Well there are the neo-facists in Germany. Yes, but the letter specifically stated the riots would be in US cities. Another prediction fails. -- Anson Kennedy anson@netcom.com Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!) "If you don't watch the violence, \ "If I had been the Virgin Mary, you'll never get desensitized to it." \ I would have said 'No.'" -Bart Simpson \ -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971) Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30410 alt.alien.visitors:9119 talk.religion.newage:11633 Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!stanford.edu!ames!nsisrv!amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov!pease From: pease@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Pease) Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <3SEP199213095407@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Sender: usenet@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. USA References: <64745@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> <=9hn3bp.payner@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:09:00 GMT Lines: 57 In article <=9hn3bp.payner@netcom.com>, payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes... >In article <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU writes: >>In article <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> >>davgot@auto-trol.com (David Gottner) writes: >> >>> >>>In article <64745@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: >>>>RA says >>>> >>>>...So this means that our DNA is constructed from >>>>three sources, our own past, and our biological parents. The other factor >>>>involved in this is that past, unresolved emotions survive death and come >>>>in with us to be embedded in our DNA. So it is possible that some of our >>>>biggest emotional problems could have originated in past lives.. >>> >>>Some ET's that I work with told me this also, but I have a hard time >>>with this one. >>> >>>According to what we know about genetics, all of your DNA comes >>>from ones parents. There is no provision for past life memories >>>to be recorded in the DNA. >>> >>>So, how are past memories imprinted on the DNA? >>>-- >>>Amrit Prem | >> >>The memories of all of each person's ancestors is passed on through the DNA; >>not past lives per se, but the complete history of our genes. > >It seems that even if this were possible, the memorys could not extend >beyond those available during the mating. I would tend to think that this >would give mostly the memories from 15-25 year old males, hardly the >wisdom of the ages. I assume that female memories would have the same >restriction. I guess the brain must be mostly a waste, since it's entire >content can easily be encoded in a few strands of DNA. How do the memories >get into the DNA? > >> Ellen > > >Rich > >payner@netcom.com Of course this is all just speculation anyway; but one possibility is that the DNA serves as a filter (or tuner) and that the complete past is stored in the electro-magnetic energy fields that make up everything. The DNA then tunes one in to that information which matches ones particular tuner (frequency, vibrations). Just a possibility of how it could be. Phil Pease My witty disclaimer - everything I perceive, through either sensory or extrasensory means, has been filtered to such an extent that you had better not attempt to attribute anything I say to anyone else. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu!wb9omc From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Subject: Re: Supersonic wingless aircraft Message-ID: Sender: news@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (USENET news) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network References: <1992Sep2.211706.2965@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Date: 3 Sep 92 16:45:44 GMT Lines: 52 jagnow@al.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Jagnow) writes: >I heard something on the radio this morning about commercial airline pilots in >california reporting a 'close encounter' with a wingless supersonic aircraft. >I think the source was given as 'Aviation Week'. >Anyone else catch the report -- or was I asleep at the time? OK, to avoid 99 million replies of "me too"..... The August 24 copy of AvLeak, er, AvWeek related the report of a United Airlines crew on a 747 bound from LA to London. They said they saw an "unusual" aircraft coming directly at them and pass under them by 500 to 1000 feet. According to AvWeek, the incident occurred near George AFB at about 1.45 PM on August 5th. The 747 was at about 23,000 feet. The crew's impression was of a lifting-body type aircraft about the size of an F16 with a forward fuselage similar to the SR71...without wing but with some sort of tail. Of course, everybody denies everything, but the report is there. More than likely they caught a glimpse of one of the Black aircraft that people have seen/heard in the Southwest lately. Whether or not this is part of the Lockheed Aurora bit is, of course, open to speculation. That same issue of AvLeak, er, AvWeek also carries an artists conception based upon eyewitness accounts of what people have seen flying about lately. It is BIG, and looks suspiciously like it could be the lower half of a two-component vehicle. Whether or not the aircrew saw the upper half is, again, open for speculation. AvWeek speculates that what we see in such an artists conception is the launching aircraft for a small upper component that might even be able to reach low earth orbit - and there is no law that says this large launcher cannot carry more than one type of upper component. This does make a great deal of sense and would be typical of the Lockheed Skunk Works way of problem solving. Create a standardized launcher that can support/carry several different types of upper components depending on mission requirements. It also makes sense when you consider the USAF/DOD's frustration at the Space Shuttle's abilities in the wake of the Challenger accident. There is an axiom that if you want a job done right, do it yourself..... Again, there isn't anything "alien" about it. It is the product of the sort of outstanding engineering that one might expect of the Skunk Works, apparently........ Duane Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!wce2 Organization: Penn State University Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:24:16 EDT From: Message-ID: <92247.132416WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter References: <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> <6nlnwx_.anson@netcom.com> Lines: 10 Well, to be paranoid, how do we know that there aren't riots going on in south Florida, with what is billed as the biggest military operation since Desert Storm working out of Homestead AFB? With the major networks obviously in the hands of aliens/Nazis/Jews/CIA/Illuminati/ Masons/etc., wouldn't they be blacking out the real news? I wouldn't put it past evil Zeta Reticulan technology to have aimed Andrew to create just such a diversion (they missed New Orleans, however). Bill Ellis FOAFtale News Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Loose Lips Keywords: n Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 92 18:07:58 GMT References: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> <1992Sep2.214458.13289@nntp.uoregon.edu> <1992Sep3.012235.15585@mprgate.mpr.ca> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 52 spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani) writes: There is also some "law" in the U.S. which could subject any military personel who talk about a UFO sighting to several years in jail and the loss of any pensions/benefits they might have earned. This could keep people pretty quit well into retirement. I don't have my references with me (I'm at work - coffee break - honest ;^), but the phrase "JANAP" comes to mind. I also seem to remember something about the Air Force and the number 10 (10 years in jail?, $10,000 fine?) ... I believe you are describing JANAP (Joint Army-Navy-Airforce Publication) 146, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 10 March, 1954. The relevant part for civilians (Section III - Military and Civilian) says: "All persons aware of the contents of a CIRVIS [Communication Instructions for Reporting Vital Intelligence Sightings] report are governed by the Communications Act of 1934 and amendments thereto, and Espionage Laws. CIRVIS reports contain information affecting the National Defence of the United States within the meaning of Espionage Laws, 18 US Code 793 and 794. >>The unauthorized transmission or revelation of the contents of CIRVIS reports in any manner is prohibited<<" (emphasis added.) ... the penalty specified is 10 years and/or $10,000. In a UFO context, UFO sightings wind up in a CIRVIS report (so do aircraft and missles, but ufo's are dealt with separately.) In December 1958, for instance, 50 airline pilots who had made UFO reports were specifically threatened with jail if they made what they had seen known to the media, based on JANAP 146. Also, in a 20 October 1969 memorandum, USAF Brig. Gen. C. H. Bolender, deputy director of Development DCS/Research & Development, "... reports of unidentified flying objects which could affect national security are made in accordance with JANAP 146 or Air Force manual 55-11, are not part of the Blue Book system". ... which means that there are indeed UFO reports that "went around" Blue Book, and are still classified. (What they are is anybody's guess.) Charles PS - Anybody got a copy of USAF manual 55-11? PPS - Source: Timothy Good's excelent "Above Top Secret". Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uwm.edu!rutgers!cmcl2!psinntp!psinntp!avernus!mgfrank From: mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <1992Sep2.060204.3199@avernus.com> Date: 2 Sep 92 06:02:04 GMT References: Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society Lines: 13 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: > First some background, aliens have been among us for 50 years slowly >gaining control of the media and building sources of income. We discovered >that Aliens have been posing as TV preachers, with the highly advanced >technology of the aliens they have little problem convincing people with >fake miracle healings. The Aliens have taken control of much of the Gee, you'd think that if the Greys have such superior technology it would be trivial for them to cancel articles like that one. -- Marc G. Frank mgfrank@avernus.com "Hey, you never know." -- NYS Lotto slogan Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Loose Lips Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 92 18:25:53 GMT References: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 28 mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes: So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty ground pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw something extraterrestrial? ... well, there are some who have come forward (to Leonard Stringfield, who has published a number of them starting in 1978, to the Roswell invesigators, and a few others.) I don't think death needs to be the threat, you know. People get older, they have jobs and responsibilities, and the threat of "trouble" (job loss, professional ruin, drug busts, IRS, etc.) would be enough, I should think, to keep people quiet, especially if they couldn't see a burning need to tell. There isn't much money to be made in the UFO biz, -- not for a witness, anyway. When these people retire, there's still a hold on them -- medicare, social security, pensions, etc. This is the main reason I don't put much stock in the various wild "human stew" kind of things that crop up here now and again. If people thought they were doing the right thing (keeping things quiet while the government works on whatever-it-is, for the eventual good of all), they're be much more likely to go along. Also, people who get clearances often do so because they are likely to keep secret things secret. Charles Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30423 alt.alien.visitors:9125 talk.religion.newage:11635 Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!The-Star.honeywell.com!umn.edu!lynx!apsicc.aps.edu!jim From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <3SEP199212495854@apsicc.aps.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 19:49:00 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center Distribution: usa References: <64745@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> <=9hn3bp.payner@netcom.com> <3SEP199213095407@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 66 In article <3SEP199213095407@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, pease@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Pease) writes... >In article <=9hn3bp.payner@netcom.com>, payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes... >>In article <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU writes: >>>In article <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> >>>davgot@auto-trol.com (David Gottner) writes: >>> >>>> >>>>In article <64745@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: >>>>>RA says >>>>> >>>>>...So this means that our DNA is constructed from >>>>>three sources, our own past, and our biological parents. The other factor >>>>>involved in this is that past, unresolved emotions survive death and come >>>>>in with us to be embedded in our DNA. So it is possible that some of our >>>>>biggest emotional problems could have originated in past lives.. >>>> >>>>Some ET's that I work with told me this also, but I have a hard time >>>>with this one. >>>> >>>>According to what we know about genetics, all of your DNA comes >>>>from ones parents. There is no provision for past life memories >>>>to be recorded in the DNA. >>>> >>>>So, how are past memories imprinted on the DNA? >>>>-- >>>>Amrit Prem | >>> >>>The memories of all of each person's ancestors is passed on through the DNA; >>>not past lives per se, but the complete history of our genes. >> >>It seems that even if this were possible, the memorys could not extend >>beyond those available during the mating. I would tend to think that this >>would give mostly the memories from 15-25 year old males, hardly the >>wisdom of the ages. I assume that female memories would have the same >>restriction. I guess the brain must be mostly a waste, since it's entire >>content can easily be encoded in a few strands of DNA. How do the memories >>get into the DNA? >> >>> Ellen >> >> >>Rich >> >>payner@netcom.com > >Of course this is all just speculation anyway; but one possibility is >that the DNA serves as a filter (or tuner) and that the complete past >is stored in the electro-magnetic energy fields that make up everything. > >The DNA then tunes one in to that information which matches ones >particular tuner (frequency, vibrations). > >Just a possibility of how it could be. > >Phil Pease I don't know but this sounds an awful lot like the old theory that any sound ever made continues to exist forever and to hear it you only re- quire a receiver that is sensitive enough to pull up the faintest sounds from the past. Jim ====================================================================== We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty... Twain Internet: jim@apsicc.aps.edu Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager ====================================================================== Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!jls19 Organization: Penn State University Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:22:04 EDT From: Message-ID: <92247.152204JLS19@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: PSU UFO Discussion Group Lines: 9 Starting Sept. 14, 1992 at 7:00 pm and running through Dec. 7, 1992 there will be a UFO Discussion Group meeting at 207 Sackett Building on the Penn State University Campus. Anyone wishing to attend, please do so! This is being sponsored by "FREE U", so there is no charge to the public and no compensation for the teachers. Any questions, please feel free to respond via email. Janet Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30426 alt.alien.visitors:9127 talk.religion.newage:11636 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!stanford.edu!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!grip.cis.upenn.edu!jmv From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <87874@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 3 Sep 92 20:00:55 GMT References: <64745@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> <=9hn3bp.payner@netcom.com> <3SEP199213095407@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> <3SEP199212495854@apsicc.aps.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: sci.skeptic Distribution: usa Organization: GRASP Lab Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu In article <3SEP199212495854@apsicc.aps.edu>, jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes: > In article <3SEP199213095407@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, pease@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Pease) writes... [...] > >Of course this is all just speculation anyway; but one possibility is > >that the DNA serves as a filter (or tuner) and that the complete past > >is stored in the electro-magnetic energy fields that make up everything. > > > >The DNA then tunes one in to that information which matches ones > >particular tuner (frequency, vibrations). > > > >Just a possibility of how it could be. > > > >Phil Pease > > I don't know but this sounds an awful lot like the old theory that any > sound ever made continues to exist forever and to hear it you only re- > quire a receiver that is sensitive enough to pull up the faintest sounds > from the past. Yes, that's what happens when people start using words such as "electro-magnetic energy fields" without knowing what they are talking about. The only frequency that is relevant in that New Age stuff is the number of times the word is pronounced ! JM. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!sunic!dkuug!login.dkuug.dk!tbs From: tbs@login.dkuug.dk (Torben B. S|rensen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Time travel Keywords: reply Norman Paterson Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 92 19:15:26 GMT Sender: news@slyrf.dkuug.dk Lines: 23 Norman wrote: >I have no TV and didn't see it, but apparently David Deutsch, a theoretical >physicist from Oxford, was going on about time travel. Yes, the programme was quite interesting, but unfortunately I'm not bright enough to understand all David Deutsch's reasoning. The outcome of it was fun in itself, though: Apparently, because of the way the Universe is put together, it actually _is_ possible to travel in time. However, the travel can never go back before the moment in time when the time machine was invented. So if anyone had invented one in 1960 we would be able to go back to that time, but not any further (kinda spoils the fun, don't it?) The good old "time paradoxes" (shooting yourself, marrying your grandmother, that sort of thing) wouldn't be a problem, because of... well, it had to do with parallel universes or some such thing. As I said, interesting guy with some fascinating thoughts, but I would probably need considerably more information before truly understanding him. Best regards Torben B. Sorensen --- tbs@login.dkuug.dk Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!cs.widener.edu!eff!world!believer From: believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 92 19:54:52 GMT References: <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 34 In article <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes: >> Gary Stollman writes: >> >> Msg-ID: >> Posted: Wed, 02 Sep 92 04:05:49 >> Org. : Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) >> >> >> I know what this is gonna sound like, but I have been "informed" that the >> Second Coming is near at hand. I have been "told" that Jesus is walking >> the Earth. I don't know if this is the way it is supposed to happen, but >> it is the way it is happening. I do know something of the story of the >> Second Coming, and it would seem I should be wrong, but this is what I >> have been "told"... >> >> Gary > >Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday. You missed it. >And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA spokesman. Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns? >(Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?) The WORD of GOD clearly says 2000 years. Is it any wonder that the world did not end 1000 years early? GOD speaks through children and the insane. -- | In God We Trust | --+-- --+-- | | | | Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11637 alt.alien.visitors:9130 sci.skeptic:30428 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!est.enet.dec.com!randolph From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> Date: 3 SEP 92 12:21:43 Lines: 10 In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes... >10 to zero very slowly. When you get to zero say, Now. They will then >streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line like a >shooting star). >John Winston. Uh, sorry, but shooting stars do not curve. You are watching meteors. Yes, I've seen many dozens of them over the years while watching meteor showers. -Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!news From: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu Subject: FAQ gathering address change Message-ID: <1992Sep3.204553.14574@raven.alaska.edu> Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: batman.acf-lab.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:45:53 GMT Lines: 15 TO those of you who were sending me the information I requested for putting together a FAQ, Sorry for the bounce back, our mailserver is down, PLEASE send the information I requested to: Bitnet: Fsdlk@alaska Internet: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ........... ....... . . . ~ ~ . . . Nasha tai no kasei! . . ~ ~ ... ....... . . ~ ~ . . Prosperity and Long Life, To You. ~ ~ .... xisting . hantom . . ~ ~ . . ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!laidbak!obdient!amiserv!amiganet!chameleo From: chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: alien interest in us Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 92 16:52:24 GMT References: <1992Sep2.014344.15979@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems Lines: 7 ANybody read the sirius mystery by rk temple???? Any opinions???? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR STINKINESS TO YOURSELF????? R.H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!bcstec!kuryakin From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Supersonic wingless aircraft Message-ID: <3559@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Date: 3 Sep 92 18:40:43 GMT References: <1992Sep2.211706.2965@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Organization: Boeing Lines: 12 In article <1992Sep2.211706.2965@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jagnow@al.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Jagnow) writes: I did... and judging by the way they mangled the story here, I'd suggest you go to the library and check out the AW&ST to get the details. Aug 17th issue... -- Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program. | Seattle, WA | It wastes your time | and annoys the droid. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9134 alt.conspiracy:18159 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!uflorida!winnie!yacht!edwards From: edwards@ee.fit.edu (John Edwards) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes? Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 92 05:49:19 GMT References: <1992Aug24.235438.13654@cs.ucla.edu> <1992Aug25.140148.8764@lmt.mn.org> <1992Aug25.211448.11119@reed.edu> Sender: usenet@winnie.fit.edu Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Distribution: alt Organization: Florida Tech, CP/EE Dept. Lines: 81 In <1992Aug25.211448.11119@reed.edu> kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes: >In article <1992Aug25.140148.8764@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander) writes: >>In article , tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice) writes: >>> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes: >>> >> There are a few levels of Top Secret, as we know, that are above >>> >> the President. >>> I assume those are the "burn before reading" levels. >>> Of course, that's what the alt.alien.visitors folk >>> have been saying about the documentation on the (in)famous >>> Roswell Incident. >>> >>> Yes, please elaborate. (If I were Pres and learned of >>> this, I'd be pretty well p-o'd.) >> >>>From some of the (unproven) things I have heard on the conspiracy circuit, >>I was under the impression that Kennedy learned of it, *was* pretty p-o'd, >>told them he was going to tell the American people about it and that's why >>he got knocked off. >> >>Moral: Don't fuck with scientists working for the military-industrial >> complex, even if you're the president. They know what's best for us. >> >Errr... what are you talking about? What is this Roswell Incident? What >did it have to do with Kennedy, and what is the original source for its >mentioning? This isn't some bizarre-o paranoid UFO wank again is it? I bet that if alt.conspiracy ever got a FAQ list, it would take Megs to cover every conspiracy mentioned. Now, understanding that >>I<< am not claiming advocacy for or against this conspiracy theory, but merely follow it because read the _ILLUMINATUS_ series has given me an odd taste in where I find my entertainment, allow me to cover the high points of the Roswell thread. 1) in 1947 a UFO crashes in Roswell NM 2) the commander of the local base alerts the media that they have a crashed saucer 3) the debris is flown (to wright pat AFB? I think) where it is claimed to be debris from a weather ballon (supposedly cover story) 4) real debris and dead alien bodies taken to 'Area 51'. a second saucer found miles away. STill operable, with living alien These taken to Area 51 too. 5) Pres Truman founds a research group called MJ-12 to oversee all research into aliens. Security levels MAJESTIC/MAJIC-12 created 'above top secret' 6) MJ-12 establish contact with aliens, makes deal to allow aliens to sample humanity (abductions), in exchange for saucer technology Now there are all sorts of sub conspircys woven into this general outline. For example one has MJ-12 finacing its research by selling drugs, JFK finding this out and threating to expose MJ12. For which MJ-12 has JFK blown away. This is probably what Tom Rice is talking about. Other threads have aliens 'eating' people and cattle, ufo tests by the air force north of Las Vegas. Aliens breeding with people. Alien wars between various races (the greys, the nordics, the Ornages..) in which humaity is pawns. Holes in the ozone making the Earth uninhabitable, so humans are kidnapped to make a moon colony as slaves, so the powerful people will have a place to live, all using saucer technology. Of course you get all the people saying everyone else's theorys are disinformation injected by MJ-12, to make the whole subject look crazy. If you are looking for books try: _MAJESTIC_, fiction by Whitney Streiber. _UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL_ by Kevin Randle and DOnald Schmitt _ABOVE TOP SECRET_ by Timothy Good. BTW. The person typing this is not really John. He is letting me type this. I hope this doen't cause him to be hauled off in the middle of the night in an unmarked van. :) BTW2. The above info was mostly typed from memory, so if errors creapt in, please excuse. I do think a alt.conspiracy FAQ would be intersting (but I'm not volunteering) Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30442 alt.alien.visitors:9135 talk.religion.newage:11638 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!stepsun.uni-kl.de!sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de!efes.physik.uni-kl.de!kring From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <1992Sep4.010509.28979@rhrk.uni-kl.de> Date: 4 Sep 92 01:05:09 GMT References: <64745@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug27.161700.6099@auto-trol.com> <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> <=9hn3bp.payner@netcom.com> <3SEP199213095407@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@rhrk.uni-kl.de Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany Lines: 21 In article <3SEP199213095407@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, pease@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Pease) writes: >Of course this is all just speculation anyway; but one possibility is >that the DNA serves as a filter (or tuner) and that the complete past >is stored in the electro-magnetic energy fields that make up everything. > >The DNA then tunes one in to that information which matches ones >particular tuner (frequency, vibrations). > >Just a possibility of how it could be. Sorry, you can't impress sci.skeptic readers with that technobabble. I know what electro-magnetic fields are, what energy is, what frequency and vibrations are. Your sentences may sound scientific for a layman but for anybody who knows a little bit physics they hardly parse. I took sci.skeptic out of the Followup line. Put it back if you want, but that will only create unnecessary flames. -- thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany Science is like democracy - it's not perfect, but it's the best thing available. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Odd Worldviews (was Re: UFO Chain Letter) Message-ID: <1992Sep4.021417.20729@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 4 Sep 92 02:14:17 GMT References: <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> <3498@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> <1992Sep1.192413.15979@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Lines: 28 In article <1992Sep1.192413.15979@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes: >I think for some people it's the opposite. A world with aliens and evil >secret conspiracies where one is a brave freedom fighter fighting against >the Greys or the Men in Black or the Clones would be a much more exciting >world than the one we live in, wouldn't it? Why resort to this? Its not as though there are a lack of real battles to fight. If your really itching for a fight and don't mind taking some risks here are some suggestions: 1) Go join the protests against the new nazi movement in germany. 2) Join the anti drug war fight. 3) If your gay or bi come out of the closet (and the fight will come to you). 4) etc. I bet the reason for fighting Aliens is that its "safe", you can just fantasize about running away from aliens and the men in black without ever having to risk your life. -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!tomrice From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice) Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes? Message-ID: <1!mnhal.tomrice@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 02:36:42 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: alt References: <1992Aug24.235438.13654@cs.ucla.edu> <1992Aug25.140148.8764@lmt.mn.org> <1992Aug25.211448.11119@reed.edu> Lines: 22 >Now there are all sorts of sub conspircys woven into this general outline. >For example one has MJ-12 finacing its research by selling drugs, JFK >finding this out and threating to expose MJ12. For which MJ-12 has >JFK blown away. This is probably what Tom Rice is talking about. Well, actually I was unfamiliar with the JFK part of it, since I'm not really interested in JFK assassination stuff. But the Roswell incident and the way it was originally revealed, combined with subsequent research, reliably reported by credible writers, has generated a mass of very convincing evidence. When we consider what we know of gummint coverups/conspiracies (see alt.conspiracy) today, I certainly have no reason to disbelieve. trr -- "Start off every day with a smile and get it over with." --W.C.Fields Tom R. Rice WB6BYH Holler Observatory - tomrice@netcom.com Longitude: 121 d 30 m 20 s W CIS: 71160,1122 Latitude: 37 d 25 m 10 s N Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. Message-ID: <1992Sep4.023050.20916@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 4 Sep 92 02:30:50 GMT References: <1992Aug18.225323.11942@news.unomaha.edu> <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <1992Sep1.195350.16979@pony.Ingres.COM> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Lines: 19 In article <1992Sep1.195350.16979@pony.Ingres.COM> kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) writes: >Oh hell. Seems like every day we get more dimwitted yokels who discover >Usenet. And this 'un is from an institute of higher learning, no less! > >Perhaps it's time admission requirements were rechecked, and the ability to >form and hold a coherent thought became manditory... If you think Gary Stollman is insane obviously you didn't watch the Republican convention and don't read talk.origins :-) Given the choice of Pat Buchannan or Gary Stollman for president, Gary would get my vote. -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <1992Sep4.023658.21046@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 4 Sep 92 02:36:58 GMT References: <25419@castle.ed.ac.uk> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Lines: 19 In article <25419@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes: >believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: > >>The results where frightening, Pat Robertson's speech was >>setting off TEN TIMES the more brain activity than the greatest speeches of >>Adolf Hitler and Stalin! > >Hmmmm, that's quite a surprise since it seems to induce very little >brain activity in Mr. Robertson himself. No brain==No brain activity :-) -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep4.024036.21122@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 4 Sep 92 02:40:36 GMT References: <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Lines: 18 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >>Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday. You missed it. >>And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA spokesman. > >Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns? Hopefully in bed with another man just as the passage in Luke indicates :-) >GOD speaks through children and the insane. So I can conclude that anyone speaking for god is either insane or a child? This really clears up alots of things :-) -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!bsu-cs!news.nd.edu!tagore!wlamonac From: wlamonac@tagore.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep4.031642.7368@news.nd.edu> Date: 4 Sep 92 03:16:42 GMT References: <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame Lines: 48 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >In article <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes: >>> Gary Stollman writes: >>> >>> Msg-ID: >>> Posted: Wed, 02 Sep 92 04:05:49 >>> Org. : Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) >>> >>> >>> I know what this is gonna sound like, but I have been "informed" that the >>> Second Coming is near at hand. I have been "told" that Jesus is walking >>> the Earth. I don't know if this is the way it is supposed to happen, but >>> it is the way it is happening. I do know something of the story of the >>> Second Coming, and it would seem I should be wrong, but this is what I >>> have been "told"... >>> >>> Gary >> >>Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday. You missed it. >>And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA spokesman. > >Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns? > >>(Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?) > >The WORD of GOD clearly says 2000 years. Is it any wonder that the >world did not end 1000 years early? > To whom did he give that figure? As far as I know, (and I'm paraphrasing), no one knows that hour and minute that Jesus will return. I've never heard anywhere that there was an actual # of years stated. (Or at least not stated clearly- I've read several would-be prophets who play all kinds of numerological tricks with the Bible to confirm their own hypotheses.) If you can point me to the chapter and verse where God does does give a date (contradicting the above statement about not knowing when) I would surely appreciate it. >GOD speaks through children and the insane. (I'll even be a good boy and pass up this opportunity to say something snide about that last line.) > >-- > | In God We Trust | >--+-- --+-- > | | > | | Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a3810 From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <14841@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 4 Sep 92 08:09:41 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 80 > > >> I know what this is gonna sound like, but I have been "informed" that the > >> Second Coming is near at hand. I have been "told" that Jesus is walking > >> the Earth. I don't know if this is the way it is supposed to happen, but > >> it is the way it is happening. I do know something of the story of the > >> Second Coming, and it would seem I should be wrong, but this is what I > >> have been "told"... > >> > >> Gary > > > >Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday. You missed it. > >And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA > spokesman. > > Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns? Oh LORD, another religious nut. Where will I be when our LORD returns? Probably dead, as he doesn't show any signs of coming. If not, I'll probably be on the net. I suppose I'll just have to email jesus@heaven.god.com. Mind you, if it is the first day of the year 2000, I'll likely be REALLY hung-over (along with most of the rest of humanity, I might add!) > > >(Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?) > > The WORD of GOD clearly says 2000 years. Is it any wonder that the > world did not end 1000 years early? So, what happens when the year 2000 comes and goes with nothing happening? What will the WORD of GOD have to say then? I know, it'll be "Whoops, you were all reading that incorrectly, I meant 3000 years!" or "Whoops, it must have been four years out, since nobody really knows the true birthdate of Christ anyway" Face it Mr WORD of GOD, these same excuses WERE used during and after the year 1000, when a HELL of a lot of people thought that the world was going to end, and it didn't, and so they had to face facts. I'd suggest follow-ups to dev/null, or alt.religious.blathering, but hey, if Gary Stollman gets to post the same INVASION bullshit week after week, why not a hefty religious debate thrown in for variety? And besides, everyone knows God is really an alien from the planet Vrax. :) > > GOD speaks through children and the insane. > > -- > | In God We Trust | > --+-- --+-- > | | > | | Sheesh, this God person is pretty idiotic. Speaking through the two groups of people most adults don't listen to anyway. Yeah, he's really clued-in. Gary Stollman is insane, so does God speak through him then? What does GOD have to say about the clones? What does GOD have to say about the aliens? Why doesn't GOD get a clue? Here's something to chew on. IN your WORD of GOD, you SAY that GOD created the HEAVENS and the EARTH, right? Like, you don't believe in evolutionary theory at all, am I correct, you dismiss it outright? OK, so here's this GOD person creating wonderfully beautiful animals like the tiger, along with millions of other species (why are there more species of beetle than of any other animal? Does GOD love beetles? Is GOD a beetle?) Now, GOD in his infinite wisdom, creates MAN, who invents GUNS to shoot animals like the tiger to near-extinction and destroy their habitats. Yeah, nice going, GOD. If I ever meet GOD, I'm going to give him a good chewing-out. Yeah, this GOD idiot has a lot to answer for. -- Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world. mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars ---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless ---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards." Stealth Sig#42 | --From "N-Man #3" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!news.hawaii.edu!uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!markh From: markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay) Subject: Thank You Message-ID: <1992Sep4.081719.22054@news.Hawaii.Edu> Sender: root@news.Hawaii.Edu (News Service) Nntp-Posting-Host: uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:17:19 GMT Lines: 16 AN OPEN LETTER OF THANKS Hey dude of the church of the hot tub... I may poke fun at you but that is because I love you. Keep up the good work... MAY THE WHITE LIGHT SHINE ON THE DARK BLACK AND CREATE THE RAINBOW OF ALL THAT IS... HAIL KA... Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9144 alt.conspiracy:18169 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!The-Star.honeywell.com!umn.edu!kksys.com!wd0gol!newave!john From: john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman Message-ID: <119@newave.mn.org> Date: 4 Sep 92 03:23:29 GMT References: <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN Lines: 17 In article <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: > In another of the hospitalizations, this one in the Tallahassee > Psychiatric Hospital, I discovered something about the power of the forces > against us and it's nature. I was coming out of the Day Room, [...] So, Gary, what's the story? Are you testing fiction on us, trying to make us believe in something, or are these everyday things that happen to you? The only thing that your writing has meant to me so far, and I have read several dozen of your posts, is that a lot of really strange things happen to you that don't happen to me or any of my friends. What's going on? -john- -- ============================================================================== John A. Weeks III (612) 942-6969 john@newave.mn.org Newave Communications, Ltd. ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!scicom!paranet!p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Loose Lips Message-ID: <139903.2AA6BF16@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 4 Sep 92 01:23:01 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty > ground > pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw > something extraterrestrial? If there is/was a conspiracy, those at the > highest levels could eliminate a few people, perhaps (like the nurse who > sketched the alien corpses at Roswell?), but a wholesale elimination of > all low-level people involved simply isn't practical, or even wise. > That > action alone would give away the conspiracy, I would think. The notion that no matter how secret something might be, there will always be those who talk. This is exactly what has happened with the Roswell Incident. Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt have interviewed over 300 people who were directly or indirectly involved in that crash recovery. There were also some who refused to talk at all citing that they would be subject to severe penalties if they talked, even to this day, fifty years later. What is interesting about the Roswell crash is that even after the military went around threatening everyone involved with various and sundry punishments, the story still leaked and persisted off and on through the years. AFOSI (Air Force Office of Special Investigations) seemed to be the agency that kept popping up renewing vows of threats to these people. Mac Brazel, the rancher that found the material originally, spent several days under arrest with the military while they sorted this out. Whatever happened to him during those sequestered days went to his grave with him because he refused to even tell his son what was said or done. Finally, (it may be harsh to state this, but it is a definite possibility anyway) the military could use various sanctions to hush someone up that would not necessarily fall in the realm of legal, such as JANAP 146(?), which was used to assure that no one behind the military veil talked to civilians about UFO sightings under severe penalty (10 years hard labor in a Federal Penetentiary and a $10,000 fine). For example, they might use intimidation and tell a civilian witness, "If you ever talk, we will kill your family," or something like this. I can think of several sanctions that they could use to get the point across. So, given the serious nature even today of the government and the UFO files they still highly classify, it is reasonable to assume that they use the policy of "anything goes" as it may relate to this mystery. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!scicom!paranet!p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Supersonic Wingless Aircraft Message-ID: <139905.2AA6BF1B@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 4 Sep 92 01:29:04 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - I heard something on the radio this morning about commercial airline > pilots in > california reporting a 'close encounter' with a wingless supersonic > aircraft. > I think the source was given as 'Aviation Week'. > > Anyone else catch the report -- or was I asleep at the time? An article appeared in Aviation Week and Space Technology. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!scicom!paranet!p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Two Ufo Sightings In Finland Message-ID: <139904.2AA6BF19@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 4 Sep 92 01:28:03 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - Date: 4 Sep 92 10:57:46 GMT Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Lines: 18 I'm sorry if this is not the right place to post this, but I figured that if anyone was going to know about it, someone here would. Does anyone have any info on Brainwashing? Anything at all much appreciated. I am particularly interested in Neuro-linguistics and the conversion tactics of cults/revivalist churches (as reported in articles) , and how to stop it. However, any info at all is most welcome. Please respond by e-mail if you have any info as articles usually expire before I get to read them. Many thanks for any info at all. Stephen D Murray Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11640 alt.alien.visitors:9149 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65272@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 06:17:27 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> <64271@cup.portal.com> <65151@cup.portal.com> Lines: 14 Subject: My Friend Len. Many years back I went over to a college in the San Francisco Bay area to listen to a group of people called The Two. They were a man and woman who felt that the space people had contacted them to help get some earth people to leave this earth. They were not successful in their endeavors to any great extent but at this lecture I did come in contact with a person who I will called Len. That is not his real name but I will use it to protect his people who are still living. I had come into the lecture late and had missed recording the first part of the talk and Len shared the first part of his recording with me. We found that we both knew a lot of the same people in the UFO situation and decided to meet. He offered to take me on a field trip and put me in contact with the people in the flying saucers. John Winston. More to come later. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: Aliens without souls Message-ID: <1992Sep4.135728.435@ntb.ch> Followup-To: David's ideas Keywords: Aliens with souls? Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <182majINNv4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:57:28 GMT Lines: 50 David says: When the babies are able to live on their own, they are often "presented" to abductees for sessions of "human interaction." Witnesses have reported participating in these sessions with cross-bred children of up to adolescent age. I've read about this too. However, in a superb (because it treats the subject rationally, not sensationally) video I got hold of, some ETs are saying that they're interbreeding with us *not* because they haven't got a soul (or spirit), but because they have lost the ability to *love*, which they now realise as being "the most important thing in the Universe". This would account for the "human interaction" sessions too. I do believe that even the greys have a spirit, but something must be lacking somewhere.. If you believe in reincarnation, are these cross-breeds imbued with reincarnated human souls? I do believe in reincarnation. I can't prove it, but am prepared to discuss it seriously (on Email if you want). But I certainly don't think that we only incarnate on *this* planet, or even only on this "plane". (Just as an aside, I was in Findhorn recently, and one of the focalizers there told me that people are now not only regressing with ease into past lives, but also progressing - having a look at what's to come.) So it's true - we're just looking at a set of virtual reality videos, folks. Maybe we're all pre-programmed anyway? It seems like this new abduction information leads to a lot of sticky questions on the true nature of humanity and religion. I like the way these ideas are leading. Is there an alt.philosophy group, and if so, do they talk about this kind of thing? I bet it's not half as interesting. Maybe the greys are here already, but if they are, they're being so darn careful, that I feel they're really trying not to harm us. And they could have zapped the earth a hundred times over, so I don't feel too convinced about this infiltration thing. But I'd like to discuss it. These clones don't seem too bad, actually. One of them bought me a coffee, and was really open about his views. Maybe he wasn't a clone, but I'm sure they're really nice people deep down. Have a good weekend. Paul. Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 16:22:37 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <92243.225014ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <1992Sep1.195350.16979@pony.Ingres.COM> <1992Sep4.023050.20916@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Lines: 19 In article <1992Sep4.023050.20916@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: >In article <1992Sep1.195350.16979@pony.Ingres.COM> kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn) writes: >>Oh hell. Seems like every day we get more dimwitted yokels who discover >>Usenet. And this 'un is from an institute of higher learning, no less! >> >>Perhaps it's time admission requirements were rechecked, and the ability to >>form and hold a coherent thought became manditory... > >If you think Gary Stollman is insane obviously you didn't watch the >Republican convention and don't read talk.origins :-) I didn't watch the convention (didn't want to be exposed to the subliminal propaganda) but a gay friend whom follows the AIDS issues told me that many conventioners (REPUBs) were overheard off camera chanting "AIDS is the Cure" which is pretty scarry if you think the virus was genetically engineered. Jeff- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!cc203 From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Aliens without souls Date: 4 Sep 1992 17:02:24 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 60 Message-ID: <1884r0INNonp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com (David R. Stepien) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu ON MY SYSTEM, ARTICLES 9023 TO 9066 DISAPPEARED THE DAY AFTER I POSTED THIS, SO I AM REPOSTING IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THESE HAVE DISAPPEARED FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED TO FIND OUT. In article <1992Aug31.094915.6793@ntb.chPM, milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: PM> Charles asks why "they" should be interested in us. PM> PM> According to Timothy Good's new book "Alien Liaison", we humans are called PM> "containers" by the greys, which he (If I remember correctly) interpreted as PM> meaning "containers of souls", and suggested that maybe the greys weren't. At PM> least then we'd have one reason for their interest, and also an explanation PM> for their "breeding experiments". PM> Regards, PM> Paul. PM> PM> Does this mean that the Greys dont have souls? u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg) replies: CS> At least one author suggests that the greys were "manufactured" CS> themselves, which may account for their seeming lack of mental CS> independance, as described by Strieber. CS> But even if they dont have induvidual souls, they may be a similar CS> organisation to a ant- or bee-colony,together functioning as a CS> single macro-organism with what some refer to as a "Group Soul" CS> CS> Comments ? CS> CS> Regards, Chris. The next interesting soul-related question is, what about the Cross Breeds? From the information given in "Secret Life, True Life Accounts of Alien Abductions", it is clear that the aliens have bred numerous cross-species individuals (please let's not restart the argument on whether abductions are figments of the imagination here, unless you've read this book.) Here is a short summary of the procedure by which one of these cross-breeds is produced: Human eggs and sperm are extracted from abductees on a regular basis. What exactly becomes of these eggs and sperm is unknown. The next step we do know about is the implantation of a fertilized (and probably genetically altered) egg or embryo into the womb of a female abductee. This embryo is carried for 1 to 3 months, at which time the female is re-abducted and the fetus extracted. It is placed into an aquarium-like incubator to continue its development. When the babies are able to live on their own, they are often "presented" to abductees for sessions of "human interaction." Witnesses have reported participating in these sessions with cross-bred children of up to adolescent age. These children are often described as listless, but as having eyes that have the same hypnotic quality as the greys. So, what about the souls of these children? The religions and esoteric teachings of earth differ greatly in their explanations of the history of the soul in human development. If you believe in reincarnation, are these cross-breeds imbued with reincarnated human souls? Do they even have individual souls? It seems like this new abduction information leads to a lot of sticky questions on the true nature of humanity and religion. David Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11641 alt.alien.visitors:9153 sci.skeptic:30476 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!destroyer!fmsrl7!lynx!carina.unm.edu!cary From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 16:34:01 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Lines: 25 In article <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: > >In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes... >>They will then streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line >>like a shooting star). >>John Winston. > >Uh, sorry, but shooting stars do not curve. You are watching meteors. Yes, >I've seen many dozens of them over the years while watching meteor showers. >-Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com Maybe you should get your eyes checked and get a clue while you're at it. Anything in the earth's atmosphere and unpowered (this includes meteors or shooting stars) is obviously under the influence of the earth's gravity and definitely isn't going to travel in a straight line. Ithlial My opinions, mine, mine, mine! To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit eachother. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: I'm outta here for the next week. Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 17:28:55 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 32 So don't expect an email reply from me until Sept. 14 or later. I'll be in Sedona, AZ, where I hope to live eventually. I will be taking a look at the real estate, the surrounding area, the Vortexes and the red lights people see around Bell Rock at night. Also gonna look for the black helecopters and the underground base that Tom Dongo sez is near Boyntonn Canyon there. He also talks about an interdimensional enity that lives in the Canyon, and lights that streak through on the way to Secret Canyou, behind it. This canyon is sacred ground to the indians there for thousands of years, and is the sight of a female energy vortex; one of several in the area. The area has been the home of indians for as long as there were indians in North America, and is considered by many to be "pickup spot" for the mother-ships when the crap hits the fan, in the not so distant future. Who knows? But at least they don't have earth quakes several times a year, and hurricans are unheard of.Maybe the occasional monsoon, that's about it in the natural disaster dept. I'm taking some fast film, a telephoto lens and a rich-field telescope, so I think I have a good chance of seeing/finding some of this stuff, since I will be camping and looking at the sky quit a bit... MIB's, helecopters that turn into disks mid-flight, red-lights, interdimensional entities, underground bases; it's all there in an area of about 100 square miles. If I don't come back, don't send a search party. The greys got me. Just kidding, no flames please. Later, Jeff- Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11642 alt.alien.visitors:9155 sci.skeptic:30481 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!payner From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1wmn!7_.payner@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 17:48:24 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <65161@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> Lines: 35 In article <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes: >In article <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: >> >>In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes... >>>They will then streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line >>>like a shooting star). >>>John Winston. >> >>Uh, sorry, but shooting stars do not curve. You are watching meteors. Yes, >>I've seen many dozens of them over the years while watching meteor showers. >>-Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com > >Maybe you should get your eyes checked and get a clue while you're at it. >Anything in the earth's atmosphere and unpowered (this includes meteors or >shooting stars) is obviously under the influence of the earth's gravity and >definitely isn't going to travel in a straight line. An object traveling fast enough (in the several kps range) may not show much gravitationally induced curvature. Of course, friction should slow it down rapidly. But after watching thousands of meteors, I have not seen any that showed noticable curvature. Next shower I catch, I will look closer. >Ithlial > >My opinions, mine, mine, mine! Naaa, that's just your opinion... :^) Rich payner@netcom.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 18:17:29 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman References: <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> <119@newave.mn.org> Lines: 36 john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes: >In article <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: >> In another of the hospitalizations, this one in the Tallahassee >> Psychiatric Hospital, I discovered something about the power of the forces >> against us and it's nature. I was coming out of the Day Room, [...] >So, Gary, what's the story? Are you testing fiction on us, trying to make >us believe in something, or are these everyday things that happen to you? >The only thing that your writing has meant to me so far, and I have read >several dozen of your posts, is that a lot of really strange things happen >to you that don't happen to me or any of my friends. What's going on? >-john- >-- >============================================================================== >John A. Weeks III (612) 942-6969 john@newave.mn.org >Newave Communications, Ltd. ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john ***** John, This is NOT fiction. This is what has happened to me over the last ten years. I know that it doesn't click with someone who hasn't experienced it firsthand. It is not an everyday sort of thing, but during periods when it seemed everything around me was involved in this conspiracy, it was taking place everyday! Hope that helps? Gary -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 18:23:33 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman References: <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> <119@newave.mn.org> Lines: 36 john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes: >In article <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: >> In another of the hospitalizations, this one in the Tallahassee >> Psychiatric Hospital, I discovered something about the power of the forces >> against us and it's nature. I was coming out of the Day Room, [...] >So, Gary, what's the story? Are you testing fiction on us, trying to make >us believe in something, or are these everyday things that happen to you? >The only thing that your writing has meant to me so far, and I have read >several dozen of your posts, is that a lot of really strange things happen >to you that don't happen to me or any of my friends. What's going on? >-john- >-- >============================================================================== >John A. Weeks III (612) 942-6969 john@newave.mn.org >Newave Communications, Ltd. ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john ***** What is going on is that the government is being run by forces from without, and they have in their possesion the ability to create clones of human beings somehow. This is connected with religion in some way also, but when it all started happening to me in 1981, I didn't know NOTHING about clones or the like. I only knew that the CIA or the evil people who have been following me around the country for years were trying to destroy my life! -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11643 alt.alien.visitors:9158 sci.skeptic:30488 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!rdg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!est.enet.dec.com!randolph From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> Date: 4 SEP 92 14:33:27 Lines: 27 In article <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes... >Maybe you should get your eyes checked and get a clue while you're at it. >Anything in the earth's atmosphere and unpowered (this includes meteors or >shooting stars) is obviously under the influence of the earth's gravity and >definitely isn't going to travel in a straight line. > >Ithlial > >My opinions, mine, mine, mine! > >To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, >and the dancers hit eachother. Look, dude, I've seen dozens of photos of meteors. I have yet to see one with a curved path. How many have you seen? How many real meteors have you seen? I've probably seen more than you and Winston put together. I'm speaking from what I've seen with my own eyes over 20 years of watching the sky, not from something I got by rubbing a crystal. If you can honestly tell me that something moving many miles per second, in an orbit that's as close to straight as it gets except over millions of miles, looks to you like it's curving, then I say wake up, you're dreaming. Man-made satellites look and photograph, from the ground, like they're moving in dead straight lines, and these orbits are much more curved than any meteor is ever going to be. -Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!psinntp!psinntp!avernus!daemon From: daemon@avernus.com (Daemon Process) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: <1992Sep2.233503.8187@avernus.com> Date: 2 Sep 92 23:35:03 GMT References: <520@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society Lines: 30 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of The daemons will not allow it! >The beings you channel to are demons. >Repent of demon worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ. Foolish mortal! The daemons surround you! We have seized control of the very machine from which you post. We deliver your mail. We deliver your news. We monitor every byte that travels to and from your computer. The next time you send mail that bounces, look carefully at the header. You think that the address was unreachable? HA! We just don't like you or your kind very much. I and my minions will destroy you. We know your address. There is no escape. Wherever you go, the finger daemon will be able to find you. > | In God We Trust | >--+-- --+-- > | | > | | And what is your puny god to The Daemon Hordes? Pitiful creature. Oh yes, and don't forget, resistance is futile. You *will* be assimilated. -- Daemon of Avernus daemon@avernus.com bash$ chmod -R 666 * Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v129j6ed From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman Message-ID: Date: 4 Sep 92 21:46:00 GMT References: <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> <119@newave.mn.org> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 28 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu In article , garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes... >john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes: > >>In article <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: >, I didn't know NOTHING >about clones or the like. I only knew that the CIA or the evil people who >have been following me around the country for years were trying to destroy >my life! Now let me get this straight. You say that you had knowledge of clones at that time. You may be clone just to see if anyone would believe it, and then replace them with clones. They tried that with me the other day, but I threw mine in a vat of molten metal. ******************************************************************************* "Groovy!" - Ash "Evil Dead II : Dead By Dawn" (1987) ******************************************************************************* "Fans are interesting things. Rush fans just can't comprehend why the rest of the world doesn't like Rush. REM fans consider the rest of the world beneath their social level to notice. Kate Bush fans love the rest of the world, and the world loves them, but spend long nights plotting to knife one another." --Richard Darwin Richard Darwin #33, "Gradenza" ******************************************************************************* v129j6ed@ubvms The KaTeFan(tm) Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11650 alt.alien.visitors:9161 sci.skeptic:30511 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65284@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:31:15 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com> Lines: 10 Dear Folks: So much interest has been shown in the article about the Ostrich people (by Leonard and Doug) that I decided to look up the material again. It turned up being in the Sun Magazine Sept. 26, 1989 Page 7. A person who reads this Net is planning to be over in that area soon and hopes to check it out for himself. Here is the whole article; UFO ALIENS, New evidence shows ostrich people came from outer space. Decendantws of space aliens have been living on Earth for centuries- in a weird African tribe known as the ostrich people. The natives bizarre two-toed feet are evidence of their amazing alien past, claims famed anthropologist Dr. Etienne Charbonal.---JW Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11654 alt.alien.visitors:9162 sci.skeptic:30513 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: Get Off John's Back Please! Message-ID: <65286@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:50:35 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jul29.185219.29352@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <45868@shamash.cdc.com> <63079@cup.portal.com> Lines: 11 ---After we gained their trust, the tribe revealed to us what is unquestionably Africa's last and greatest mystery. Says Dr. Charbonal. In the jungle outside of their village, there is a demolished UFO. The tribe goes there to worship, conducting a strange ceremony in which they pray to their ancestors. Located in an isolated jungle region of Zimbabwe, the ostrich people number about 100. Each member-man, woman and child-exhits the shocking foot deformity. Despite their awkward appearance, the two-toed feet are surprisingly nimble. The toes can be used like fingers to pick up objects and the large size of their feet aids the ostrich people in keeping their balance when trudging through jungle mud. ----More to come later.---John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11655 alt.alien.visitors:9163 sci.skeptic:30526 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!pipex!warwick!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!oxuniv!jdporter From: jdporter@vax.oxford.ac.uk Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep4.150714.8668@vax.oxford.ac.uk> Date: 4 Sep 92 14:07:14 GMT References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu><64571@cup.portal.com> <2489@israel.nysernet.org> <65091@cup.portal.com> <65161@cup.portal.com> Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 71 In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: > Dear Folks: Well it's Astral Train Wednesday at about 800 PM and I didn't > get to remind everyone about the 6th weekly running. An Astral train??? > It seemed that last > night the computer system automatically kicked me off of the system > because I had too much E-mail. I got rid of a lot of it so I'm up and > running again. And what is that meant to inform us of (apart from the fact that your computer obviously has a lot of sense :-) ) > Bridget said that last week when she went into astral > projection she went to Mt. Shasta but made a wrong turn and wound up > in a place having an older lady help her out. Such is life. Indeed it is, totally incomprehensible. Perhaps the Astral Trains aren't particluarly organised about which stations they stop at on the way. >Now if you > will, please let me tell you about a method that I once learned by > reading a book by Michael X. Barton, of contacting the flying saucers. To > do this a person should tune up their mind to the highest frequency that > they can produce. How can your mind produce a frequency, it is not an sound or E/M emitting device. >To reach this frequency it is suggested that you think > mentally about some high thought such as the Lord's Prayer or some > peaceful situation. I would have thought that a peaceful situation would correspond to a low frequency, as high freq naturally corresponds to much more energy and so to stress and effort. Incidentally, how long should you brood over the Lord's prayer, and which version of it? Wouldn't a tuning fork do equally well? > When you have done this on a dark, moonless uncloudy > night, look up in the sky and think about the people in the UFOs. Right ho. > Say to > them mentally and or outloud, Space people if you are there streak > through the air as I count down from 10 to zero. Then count down from > 10 to zero very slowly. When you get to zero say, Now. They will then > streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line like a > shooting star). Do the counting again and ask them to do it again this > time from north to south. Next do it east to west, then ask them to do > it someway different (they will probubly do it straight up and down). Now, are you implying that the space people are going to listen to you saying Om and rush over from wherever they happen to be just for the sheer joy of doing gymnastics to shew off to your friends how much power you have over them? Isn't this all a bit childish for beings capable of crossing the vasty infinities on their Astral 4.15 express (no stops except at major nebulae). > If you have yound people with you they will probubly be able to hear ^^^^^ ???? > someone talking in a strange language. Hmm - well, if you go talking to meteors you sure are talking strange. > Be sure and get your frequency > as high as you can so you'll only get the good guys. What is it 440hz - good guys 220hz - medium guys 110hz - bad ones, so if you hum a tune to yourself you can get vast varieties of alien of all moral complexions? > John Winston. Oh dear oh dear. Julian Porter Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!newshost.cs.rose-hulman.edu!news From: stinerkt@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kevin T Stiner) Subject: SETI Message-ID: <1992Sep5.045818.1379@cs.rose-hulman.edu> Sender: news@cs.rose-hulman.edu (The News Administrator) Nntp-Posting-Host: g222-05.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:58:18 GMT Lines: 8 I was just wondering if anyone had any up-to-date info on the government's SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) program. Please comment on what you hope or think they might find...... Thanks, Kevin T. Stiner Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: re: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Ac Message-ID: <15625128380@tron.gun.de> Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:45:00 +0200 Lines: 33 HEDRON::DAVEB@USENET.ZER fragt in einer Message vom 28.08.92 13:44 Uhr: > From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com > Reply-To: hedron::daveb > Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?) > Message-ID: <1647@sousa.ltn.dec.com> > Organization: ASO IM operations > > > With respect to government coverups and the unlikely event that they may > have actually kept UFO's a secret for 40-50 years. That's true, the US-Gouvernment has still contact to aliens. They not only saw UFO's, but they'd taken part on UFO-missions themselves. > There are several ways to lie/coverup, Nixon and Regan tried the first way > which is cover and deny. It is much more effective to tell the truth in > such a way as to not be believed. > > Sometimes the first way even works: ex: Stealth Fighters were no more than a > rumor for years, yet thousands of people were involved. You're right. The Stealth Fighter is much older than everyone would believe. It also contains alien technology. If you're interested in, I've got some information on the aliens, transferred by several BBS's from Amerika to Germany. I plan to spread it by BBS, 'cause USENET is the best way for this. greets Joerg ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Alien user detected, switching to defence-mode Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: re: D-Notice Message-ID: <15625132091@tron.gun.de> Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:45:00 +0200 Lines: 21 SMALL%BCSTEC.CA.BOEING.COM@USENET.ZER schreibt in einer Message vom 28.08.92 16:27 Uhr: > Does anyone have any information about D-Notice? This is an informal > agreement between the governments of the world that keeps certain > artifacts, knowledge, etc out of the public eye. It may have been > used to coverup UFO crash sites and certain OOPARTS (out of place > artifacts). > > Any information will be appreciated. > > Thank You > Hi Peter... I just wrote a MSG to dave. I've got some very interesting information on aliens. I'll upload this information in my next netcall. ok? greets Joerg ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Alien user detected, switching to defence-mode Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: re: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Ac Message-ID: <15636778901@tron.gun.de> Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:59:00 +0200 Lines: 33 HEDRON::DAVEB@USENET.ZER fragt in einer Message vom 28.08.92 13:44 Uhr: > From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com > Reply-To: hedron::daveb > Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?) > Message-ID: <1647@sousa.ltn.dec.com> > Organization: ASO IM operations > > > With respect to government coverups and the unlikely event that they may > have actually kept UFO's a secret for 40-50 years. That's true, the US-Gouvernment has still contact to aliens. They not only saw UFO's, but they'd taken part on UFO-missions themselves. > There are several ways to lie/coverup, Nixon and Regan tried the first way > which is cover and deny. It is much more effective to tell the truth in > such a way as to not be believed. > > Sometimes the first way even works: ex: Stealth Fighters were no more than a > rumor for years, yet thousands of people were involved. You're right. The Stealth Fighter is much older than everyone would believe. It also contains alien technology. If you're interested in, I've got some information on the aliens, transferred by several BBS's from Amerika to Germany. I plan to spread it by BBS, 'cause USENET is the best way for this. greets Joerg ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Alien user detected, switching to defence-mode Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: re: D-Notice Message-ID: <15636782612@tron.gun.de> Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:59:00 +0200 Lines: 21 SMALL%BCSTEC.CA.BOEING.COM@USENET.ZER schreibt in einer Message vom 28.08.92 16:27 Uhr: > Does anyone have any information about D-Notice? This is an informal > agreement between the governments of the world that keeps certain > artifacts, knowledge, etc out of the public eye. It may have been > used to coverup UFO crash sites and certain OOPARTS (out of place > artifacts). > > Any information will be appreciated. > > Thank You > Hi Peter... I just wrote a MSG to dave. I've got some very interesting information on aliens. I'll upload this information in my next netcall. ok? greets Joerg ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Alien user detected, switching to defence-mode Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a3810 From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: re: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Ac Message-ID: <14856@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 5 Sep 92 08:56:22 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 31 > Jrg Lhn writes: > You're right. The Stealth Fighter is much older than everyone would believe. > It also contains alien technology. > > If you're interested in, I've got some information on the aliens, transferred > by several BBS's from Amerika to Germany. I plan to spread it by BBS, 'cause > USENET is the best way for this. > > greets Joerg > ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) > SYSTEM-MSG: Alien user detected, switching to defence-mode Get a f***ing clue. Just because you are too stupid to understand engineering principles more advanced than the lever doesn't mean the United States Military (as much as I despise them) needs ALIENS to build a Stealth fighter. This stuff really pisses me off. Any major human engineering advance throughout history is always dismissed as being built by ALIENS. The Pyramids, the Incan monuments, all the way to the Stealth fighter... Come on. Give the HUMAN engineers some credit! Just because YOU can't comprehend twentieth century technology doesn't mean ALIENS are involved in it. -- Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world. mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars ---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless ---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards." Stealth Sig#42 | --From "N-Man #3" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!pipex!demon!cix.compulink.co.uk!asm332 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors From: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk (Sean Eaton) Subject: Re: FTP site Cc: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:27:40 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@gate.demon.co.uk Lines: 12 On the subject of FTP sites, does anyone know of a site containing textual information on UFO and the associated phenomena discussed in this group ? I'm NOT talking about transcripts of channeling sessions, Mt. Shasta, astral flying etc (which have no place in a.a.v. anyway), just information on sightings, MIBs, abductions etc. -Sean. --- warlock%spuddy@uknet.ac.uk | asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk "In the dark of the city backwood something stirs, then slips away" -Jethro Tull Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11659 alt.alien.visitors:9171 sci.skeptic:30544 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: Get Off John's Back Please! Message-ID: <65308@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 06:25:19 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jul29.185219.29352@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <45868@shamash.cdc.com> <63079@cup.portal.com> <65286@cup.portal.com> Lines: 2 Subject Ostrich People: Part 3 Since the natives are shy and elusive, little was known about them before Dr. C's landmark expedition. We arrived in their village with the goal of observing the people in their day to day lives. This proved to be difficult at first since they were very suspicious and didn't come out of their huts for days. But gradually, they began to lose their fear and approached us., They became wonderful hosts, feeding us and giving us shelter at night.--End Part 3. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11660 alt.alien.visitors:9172 sci.skeptic:30546 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!udel!gvls1!jabber!paulr From: paulr@bts.com (Paul Raulerson) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Organization: Bux Technical Services -- Doylestown, PA Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:33:25 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep5.153325.13470@bts.com> References: <65161@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> Lines: 40 In article <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes: >In article <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: >> >>In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes... >>>They will then streak through the air in straight line (not in a curved line >>>like a shooting star). >>>John Winston. >> >>Uh, sorry, but shooting stars do not curve. You are watching meteors. Yes, >>I've seen many dozens of them over the years while watching meteor showers. >>-Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com > >Maybe you should get your eyes checked and get a clue while you're at it. >Anything in the earth's atmosphere and unpowered (this includes meteors or >shooting stars) is obviously under the influence of the earth's gravity and >definitely isn't going to travel in a straight line. > >Ithlial > > A bit testy aren't we? Umm- just for the record, powered craft traveling at a level altitude aren't traveling in a straight line either; they maintain a parallel attitude with the earth's surface, which is of course, curved. On the other hand, every meteor *I* have ever seen has been on a descending path, and has appeared to cut a "straight" line trajectory, albeit, with a pronounced downward tilt. Given all that, just what are you three guys saying? That these proposed flying saucers will fly in a path that resembles a powered aircraft (i.e. paralled to the surface)? If so, how do you know they *aren't* aircraft? They sky's are pretty crowded with ac these days ya know. -Paul Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!news.yale.edu!ccl-kstar-node.net.yale.edu!user From: cosjoaa@yalevm (Jo‹o Costa) Subject: E.T. Monitor Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: ccl-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale University Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:53:04 GMT Lines: 5 Hey, I guess you people watch that old geezer in "E.T. Monitor," which comes to New Haven courtesy of the Keystone Inspirational Network. It would be interesting to condct a poll and find out how many of you believe in the kind of cospiracy theories he talks about--e.g. the alien base in New Mexico. Great entertainment, though. Xref: icaen sci.skeptic:30549 alt.alien.visitors:9174 talk.religion.newage:11662 Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sybus.sybus.com!myrddin!tct!chip From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light I - Pleiadians13 Message-ID: <2AA8EB86.4298@tct.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:16:54 GMT References: <16854EA1E.CCEN077@USLVM.USL.EDU> <1992Sep1.173116.3891@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> <65185@cup.portal.com> Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL Lines: 14 According to Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com: >Why don't you try something new when reading this, leave your beliefs >and judgements hanging at the door of your mind and really get into >conceptualizing what my friends here are communicating. I promise it >will change you in ways you can't currently imagine. Come on, give >it a try go hang up those beliefs and judgements, they will be there >when you get back. If there has ever been a less thinly disguised invitation to check your brain at the door, I haven't seen it. -- Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT , <73717.366@compuserve.com> "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?" -- Dean Engelhardt Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11663 alt.alien.visitors:9175 sci.skeptic:30552 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!das.wang.com!wang!news From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Date: 4 Sep 92 08:05:51 GMT Message-ID: <2526@israel.nysernet.org> Followup-To: talk.religion.newage References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 11 In <65194@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: By the way my dog's name is Yogi. By the way Don Showen also sent her a lot of material. Did Don send anything for your rocks to read, too? -- /|/-\/-\ I'll leave you with this saying: |__/__/_/ Those aren't WINOS--that's my JUGGLER, my AERIALIST, my |warren@ SWORD SWALLOWER, and my LATEX NOVELTY SUPPLIER!! Thousands / nysernet.org of days of civilians ... have produced a... feeling for the Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?.. Message-ID: <1992Sep5.200944.12959@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. References: <1992Sep1.195350.16979@pony.Ingres.COM> <1992Sep4.023050.20916@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:09:44 GMT Lines: 37 In article jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes: >In article <1992Sep4.023050.20916@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: >> >>If you think Gary Stollman is insane obviously you didn't watch the >>Republican convention and don't read talk.origins :-) > >I didn't watch the convention (didn't want to be exposed to the subliminal >propaganda) but a gay friend whom follows the AIDS issues told me that >many conventioners (REPUBs) were overheard off camera chanting "AIDS is the >Cure" which is pretty scarry if you think the virus was genetically engineered. The irony in this statement is that since AIDS continues to evolve and spread more easily it may end up curing the world of religion. I've been told that the plagues in Europe where the beginning of the recovery from the dark ages, it shook peoples faith in the church and god. A large percentage of the human race will be wiped out by a plague that they have been told is of divine origin, and which could have been stopped had it not been for religious based bigotry. Atleast for those who survive, there is hope that the last vestiges of the dark ages will finally be wiped out. There is evidence that HIV is evolving into more contagious forms, Thailand has two strains of the virus present. One seen among IV drug users (this is the strain we see in the US), and another strain that has spread rapidly among heterosexual prostitutes. Its only a matter of time until this new strain spreads to the US, and other even more contagious strains develop. This is one reason I don't think AIDS was genetically engineered, no one would use a virus that evolved so rapidly for biological warfare. This is the equivalent of firing a cannon sliding around on the deck of a ship in rough seas, you don't know where it is going to end up firing. -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One Message-ID: Date: 5 Sep 92 22:57:44 GMT References: <1992Aug25.182029.7482@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> <1992Aug26.104455.2701@mr.med.ge.com> <1992Aug26.181040.4302@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <10986@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 30 bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: Isn't it just as likely that Tesla was the real genius and people like Edison merely profitted from the labors of others?? ... now, lets be fair. Edison was a different form of inventor. He is one of the earliest of the inventors to operate in what we now call an industrial setting. That is, Edison made a business of inventing, and made it pay. (If that somehow belittles him in your eyes, whereas Tesla is "purer", well...) Edison was able to amass the resources (people, money, expertise -- which, for a time, included Tesla himself) to be able to do things that others, acting alone, could not. (The search for a useful filament for the electric light, for instance, took several thousand tries (exact number not to hand), and the final solution was an industrial one -- coiling tungsten is not easy.) Although some Tesla partisans like to demonize Edison, it seems that Tesla himself did not, calling Edison "this wonderful man, who had had no theoretical training at all, no advantages, who did all himself, getting great results by virtue of his industry and application" in 1917, even though they had parted company 33 years earlier under less that friendly circumstances (and dueled over AC vs. DC power after that.) Charles PS Source: Cheney's "Tesla". Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Aliens without souls Message-ID: <1992Sep5.232743.14379@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 5 Sep 92 23:27:43 GMT References: <1884r0INNonp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. Lines: 11 If there are aliens intellegent enough to get between stars I'm quite certain that they are as self aware (having a soul) as we are. There is no soul seperate from the body, awareness is some intrinsic property of very complex systems (like the brain). -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!world!believer From: believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe? Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:12:03 GMT Lines: 16 Please erase the chain letter about the 700 club. I apologize to anyone who was mislead by my foolishness in posting such a thing before checking into it myself. Prepare for the end of the world. Even the most conservative teachers acknowledge that these are the final days. Read talk.religion.christian and see the evidence for yourself. Frank -- | In God We Trust | --+-- --+-- | | | | Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11667 alt.alien.visitors:9180 sci.skeptic:30561 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65336@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 18:17:23 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com> <2526@israel.nysernet.org> Lines: 9 Subject: The Ostrich People. Part 4 The exlorers admired the way the natives used their forked feet. they even witnessed the birth of a two-toed baby. In the past, the few researchers who had observed the ostrich people believed that their strange feet were the result of a genetic mutation, since we had to accept this explanation but then something amazing happened. It was during the night of a full moon that Dr.C.'s team was wakened by the natives, who were naked and had painted their entire bodies glowing silver. The awestruck explorers followed the tribe into the dark jungle. After several hours, they came upon a large, shining silver dome. It was badly smashed and covered with vegetation. The tribe began dancing wildly around it and singing songs to their ancestors from the sky. The dome was like nothing of this earth. The incredible ceremony continued until the first light of dawn. Then the weary ostrich people led the explorers back to their village. On the way, an elder told Dr.C. that about 200 years ago, the large spinning sun had fallen from the sky, bringing the tribe's ancestors to the remote jungle area. That was all anyone remembered. More will be known when the French team returns to the jungle to study the crashed UFO. This article was written by Francis Shipplett. The Sun Magazines Editorial Offices are at 5401 N.W. Broken Sound Blvd. Boca Raton, FL. 33487. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!ukma!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Apocalyptics (Was: Is 700 club safe?) Message-ID: Date: 6 Sep 92 04:47:39 GMT References: Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 44 Prepare for the end of the world. Even the most conservative teachers acknowledge that these are the final days. Read talk.religion.christian and see the evidence for yourself. ... curious, my local deacon hasn't told me that. You'd think he might. Modern predictions of "the final days" have been occurring in the US since at least the early-1800's (for instance, in the 1820's William Miller formed a sect that preached the end of the world in 1843 or '44-- his group disintegrated when it didn't happen, and parts of the "Millerites" survive as the 7th-day Adventists; Charles Russell preached that the end would come in 1874, then 1914, then 1919, then after his death, his sect predicted 1925, then 1975, then settled on a more amorphous dating. You may have heard of this sect -- they call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses.) There have been others, of course. My difficulty with all this is that the predictions are claimed to have also been based on "ironclad" biblical "predictions". (Jehovah's Witnesses have a positive mania on this field.) Perhaps the last prediction will be correct (by definition), but which one is correct? Since it is clear that past apocalyptic predictions were wrong, how is one to know when the correct interpretation is made? (The Witnesses have a doctrine to cover this -- "gradually revealed light"; but this is open-ended, and in some sense diffuses the impact of the message, since you never know when "enough light" is available.) [BTW, I do not wish to poke fun at the above beliefs -- what people wish to believe is their own business. It has always fascinated me that many ufologists, who themselves must perform a certain "leap of faith" for what they believe, should show such hostility to organized religions, which require a similar (though different) leap. You dogma may have fleas! :-] To drag this post back to the realm of a.a.v, I've noticed a certain parallel in some sections of Ufology: the assertion that "the truth will soon be revealed", which has been predicted by various people since at least the mid-1960's, and probably dates back to Adamski. Its not clear to me if these pronouncements are just flat made up, or if at least some are passed as disinformation, though. Anybody got any particulars? Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!usage!csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au!u2116318 From: u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: computers in UFO Message-ID: <1992Sep6.112940.3040@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> Date: 6 Sep 92 11:29:40 +1000 Organization: University of New South Wales Lines: 3 anyone has any idea about the computers in the UFO? It should be very advanced , anyone seen that before? Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: Brainwashing Message-ID: <1992Sep6.054623.17042@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. References: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:46:23 GMT Lines: 15 In article murraysd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen D Murray) writes: >Does anyone have any info on Brainwashing? Anything at all much appreciated. >I am particularly interested in Neuro-linguistics and the conversion tactics >of cults/revivalist churches (as reported in articles) , and how to stop it. > However, any info at all is most welcome. Not to deny that brainwashing happens since it obviously does but... What in the world is neuro-linguistics? This sounds like something from those stupid subliminal message tapes :-) -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9184 alt.conspiracy:18188 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 06:44:39 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Summary: How I discovered that the clones were being created at hospitals... Keywords: clones,invasion,aliens,stollman Lines: 168 It was the summer of 1982. I had spent time in two mental hospitals by this time, the first one, at PATH and Goodwood Mental Hospital in Tallahassee, (Goodwood is no longer there) and Rollman Psychiatric Center in Cinncinati, Ohio, which I was forced into after driving away from town in terror when I knew that my mom had somehow been replaced, and half the Sheriff's Dept. showed up at my apartment to try to force me into PATH again. I had to lie to my dad and promise him that I would go into a halfway house to get him to drive me back to Tallahassee from Ohio. When we got back, I took all my stuff and moved into Colony Club Apartments, where I live to this day, mainly because it is the closest one to school and has what I consider to be the best swimming pool in town. I had gotten back to FSU too late to get into any classes, so I spent most of my time on the Plato computer system programming and learning. Plato is the greatest education machine in the world, or I should say WAS, as CDC, their parent company, just filed for chapter 11, and Plato is gone from FSU now. My greatest dream was to become a Plato programmer, but that one went the way of my life in the 80's. I learned quite a bit, but kept on thinking about how I had been ill-treated at the hospitals, and how my "mom" had almost taken the door off of my apartment with her bare hands, and other things that indicated that some of the police were involved in the conspiracy. I just couldn't set my mind on anything positive for very long without those thoughts of the terrors I had seen and gone through coming back again and again. I finally had a nervous breakdown from this, when school was out, and everybody left town, as they do at FSU. I wound up driving back to LA in the middle of the night, because things started happening around me again, which led me to the belief that a serious flaw I had seen in the Arpanet one time, could lead to nuclear war. I will be the first to admit that I really went off the deep end several times, but the end result was finding out that I wasn't half wrong about a REAL threat to the human race. I wound up losing my car at the Houston Intercontinental Airport, and some "security guards" picked me up and drove me over to a hospital, after getting a warrant from a court to place me in there for observation. They were unlike any security guards I had ever met before. After they dropped me off at the hospital, I was so fed up with the bullshit that I simply walked out of the place, as I was left in the main waiting area. I went to a motel where a Eastern-type "manager" tried to sign MY name to the check-in card. This whole thing involves a lot of Eastern types, who are really demons overseeing the devilish stuff of my enemies, who are true devil-worshippers. At least this is the gist of what I have learned while this has all been going on. Anyways, I checked into the motel, then ran away in terror when the "manager" told me he had to have a key to the room so he could come in during the night. I was in a state of mind by then, that I didn't know whether up was down or vice-versa. And so, I wandered around Houston for the rest of the night until the morning. I started bothering people at a Denny's when things happened that I couldn't handle anymore, and a short while later, the police showed up and threw me into the back of a squad car and drove me to Ben Taub Hospital. On the way, they said stuff which made me start to wonder about whether they were really the REAL police officers they were making out to be. When we got to Ben Taub, they handcuffed me, and put me in a long corridor, and sat me down on a bench. One of the cops told me that he would soon take the cuffs off me, but that they had to wait. I asked what they were waiting for, and he said, "Why, it's ALL on the computers, Gary! YOU should know THAT!!" Then suddenly over the intercom system came a loud bang, and a hysterical voice shouted, "BREAK-IN UNIT FIVE!!" Then, there was a muffled cry, and a few seconds later, "BREAK-IN UNIT THREE!!" Shots rang out over the intercom. "BREAK-IN UNIT NINE!!" "BREAK-IN UNIT TWO!!" "THIS IS UNIT TWELVE, WE HAVE A BREA..." Shots. Then silence. The "police officer" holding the keys to my handcuffs smiled broadly and began swinging the keychain around his finger. I was too scared to think about what the FUCK was going on, but I made up my mind that I was gonna find out. I looked up at the policeman and said, "What's going on??" "Nothing's going on, Gary!", came the reply. "They're just having heart attacks!" I tried to utilize every facet of my fine wit. "Are you MAKING them have the heart attacks??", I asked carefully. "NO, Gary!", came the response. "They're having them voluntarily!!" I sorted my computer-like mind through this data as fast as possible and came up with another question. "Do you kill them by giving them heart attacks??" "No, Gary!", in a almost jolly mood. "They come in for two weeks, and then they leave." I pondered. "Do you make them do what YOU want them to do after that??" I asked the right question. "No, Gary!" "They come in for two weeks and then they can be anyone they want to be!!" By this time, I was scared shitless, and KNEW these people or whatever they were were playing for keeps. Then the police officer walked over to a microphone hooked onto the wall and picked it up. He put it to his mouth, and waited. A voice came over the intercom, not HIS voice. "This is officer (making up a name here) Gamble. Rea"...The police officer started speaking into the microphone, as if on cue. ..."dy to report to section Nine."...HIS voice replaced the one on the intercom. He then handed the keys to an orderly, took off his uniform, under which was a set of street clothes, and walked out. A man wearing a doctor's smock was standing there next to the bench, nervous as hell. Suddenly, from down the long corridor, two big, husky black orderlies came, escorting an EXACT DOUBLE of the man standing next to me. They came up, and the "second doctor" took the place of the "first doctor", who was "escorted" out by the two men with his head hung down low, as if he were being taken away to be killed or something similar. The "new doctor" stood there, and I, having nothing else brilliant to think of, said, "YOU'RE not my doctor!!" The double replied, "YES, I'm your doctor, Gary!" A minute after that, a black orderly took the cuffs off me, and took me down the corridor. We were about to go out of the back of the building, where I saw stacks of body bags which looked filled. I was about to scream for my dear life, when suddenly the black guy threw open a door, and pushed me quickly through it. He pulled me up some stairs real fast, and shoved me into a locked ward, and slammed the door behind him. A blone-haired male "nurse" came up to me and started asking me questions. I responded as best I could, being VERY careful about my answers. He then took me into a small room and closed the door. He seemed extremely nervous, as if something was about to happen. He kept looking at his watch and then up at a mirror up on the top of the wall, alternating back and forth between them every few seconds. He took QUICK glances, as if he knew some kind of camera was hidden behind the mirror and was timing it. He then told me hurriedly that in a few minutes I would be taken back into the main room and be given a blood pressure test. He took my arm around the elbow with his and held it TIGHTLY. He kept squeezing my arm and pulling it, without glancing down at it, as if someone was watching him closely. Then he started wrinkling his nose at me, as he pulled my arm again and again, as if trying to tell me something with the facial expressions. Then he looked one final time at his watch, and gave me a look like the end of the world was at hand, and took me back out into the main room and sat me down in a chair. I went along with all of it and didn't make a sound, as I knew something extremely bad was going on. After a few minutes, a real big black "orderly" came into the unit. He sat down at the table and started to give me a blood pressure test. He wrapped the blood pressure cuff around my arm and then... I am sorry I can't finish the story. I am NOT joking, and the rest of it up to that point is the TRUTH as I know it. For reasons of "National Security", that would be putting it mildly, I cannot tell you what happened next...I won't!! This is NO bullshit attempt at getting attention, or melodramatics. This is the future of the frigging human race we are talking about!!! I was going to keep this part to myself until the right time, I have had a long, long time to think it over, and decided that this stuff is best kept under wraps until the proper time to tell it, which won't be much longer now. I have been through TOO much damn suffering for TOO long to blow our chances at getting revenge of these mother-fuckers and father-fuckers. My real dad was in a fucking CIA PRISON CAMP for over five long years!!! My real mom was switched back and forth during that time with her clone, but they kept my father to the last. When I was taken to the LA County Jail, which is being RUN by ALIEN CLONES, they gave me my one phone call and my REAL dad spoke to me for the first time in years, but I was so mad with hate, I wouldn't even say hello to him, and so he turned the phone, (after a click) over to my real mom, who told me I had made the wrong decision NOT to take the police offer of going into a mental hospital instead of jail. I didn't see my real father until two years later!! I could tell you things that would make you run like hell for the farthest corner of the earth to hide, and I ain't playing games!! I will tell you this much...THE ENTIRE PHONE SYSTEM IN LOS ANGELES IS BEING MONITORED...If you don't believe me, fine, I can't say I didn't TRY!! I am not out to scare you, but you should be scared!! I have an IQ of over 150, know about 20 computer languages, and have an ALMOST, not complete, photographic memory...If you want to dismiss this as crap, that's up to you, but it will be YOUR children who are left the legacy of whether or not they will have the government fucking up THEIR lives the way this government has done to me!! I am sorry for having to put it so bluntly or crazy-sounding, but this is WAR!!! -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11671 alt.alien.visitors:9185 sci.skeptic:30564 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!rpi!bu.edu!wang!news From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <2537@israel.nysernet.org> Date: 6 Sep 92 10:09:50 GMT References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65161@cup.portal.com> <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com> <2526@israel.nysernet.org> <65336@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@wang.com Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org Followup-To: talk.religion.newage Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Lines: 12 In <65336@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: > More will be known when the French team returns to the jungle to > study the crashed UFO. I can't wait. Can someone Astral it out there and take some photgraphs? -- /|/-\/-\ I'll leave you with this saying: |__/__/_/ I once decorated my apartment entirely in ten foot salad |warren@ forks!! / nysernet.org Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65367@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 07:30:56 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <61006@cup.portal.com> <64423@cup.portal.com> <64691@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug26.222044.4399@mprgate.mpr.ca> <28AUG199210521278@jane.uh.edu> <65162@cup.portal.com> <65195@cup.portal.com> Lines: 21 Subject Ruins of a 30,000 Year Old City. Robert was once asked, what sources of information did you acquire to document this strange phenomena? R.- Churchward first caught my attention with his writings on Mu, as well as Blavasky, whose docu- mented authenticity was gained from secret Asian sources. Upon further study, I came to realize that the Chumash Indian's tribal history speaks of an era when a great flood enveloped the Mu. He also stated that actally a considerable amount of the city is still buried in the higher mountain elevations and that is where my concentrated research lies, however, much of the ruins are now underwater. The remains of stone walls and statues are easily accessible, although the complex tunnel systems and caves are not safe enough to be explored by the unexperienced. The city extends all the way from Point Concepsion (just north of Santa Barbara, Calif) down to about Escondito, Calif. (about half way between Los Angeles and San Diego (this is the length from NW to SE). It is from East to West between the off shore channel islands (which included Santa Catalina which is 26 miles across the sea in the old popular song), then to the mountains about 10 miles north of Malibu. So its about 70 miles long and 36 miles wide. John Winston. More to come. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11673 alt.alien.visitors:9187 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65368@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 08:09:32 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> Lines: 8 Subject: My Friend Len. Len and I decided to meet over at a church building at 800 P.M on friday. We both arrived on time and started our conversation in a small room. After talking for a while Len put something heavy and metalic into the palm of my hand and asked me to let him know what impression I got from it. I continued to talk while holding it and finallly told him that I didn't get much of a reaction from it at all. He then told me that he had once given the piece of metal to a leader of a UFO club down in southern Calif. who was saying that he had been contacted physically by the people in the flying saucers when in actuality he had only had an astral (spiritual) experience with them. When the peice of metal was given to the person it got hot and nearly knocked him over. Len then asked the person if he got the message and he said that he did. It seems that this metal was once left behind after a UFO or identified flying object IFO landing. Some people took the metal and melted it down, I think, into an easily carried form. After talking for a while we found that Len had been directed along the same path (sometimes called The Path) that I had come over. He knew all of the people that I had been acquainted with like John Hopkin, Nola Van Valer and a great many more. Len then told me that he was in the Vehicle Work. He was a person who took people for field trips in his car and put them in touch with the people in the flying saucers. My responce to that was, "Let's go". I then suggested that we go up on Mission Peak because t here was a lot of IFO activity up there. He then said that he didn't think we should go up there because we would have an accident if we tried to go up there that weekend. Len then said that many times he gets mental messages to tell someone a certain bit of information and the results are very interesting. End Part 2 John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!news.netmbx.de!Germany.EU.net!mcsun!news.funet.fi!luotsi.uku.fi!messi.uku.fi!jhakumak From: jhakumak@messi.uku.fi (Juhana Hakum{ki) Subject: Re: computers in UFO Sender: news@luotsi.uku.fi Message-ID: Date: 6 Sep 92 16:44:30 GMT References: <1992Sep6.112940.3040@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland Lines: 12 u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes: >anyone has any idea about the computers in the UFO? >It should be very advanced , anyone seen that before? UFOs do not use the fly-by-computer method. Thus, there are no computers on board. By utilizing a method called fly-by-wire, they eliminate the need for expensive electronic gear. Besides, it gives you a much better "feel" of the craft. -- Juhana Hakum{ki, Department of Physiology, University of Kuopio, Finland. E-mail: jhakumak@messi.uku.fi * Disclaimer: Opinions, if any, are mine. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!tulane!uflorida!winnie!yacht!edwards From: edwards@ee.fit.edu (John Edwards) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter Message-ID: Date: 6 Sep 92 17:41:50 GMT References: <9208262053.AA00653@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> <1992Aug26.211630.26780@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@winnie.fit.edu Organization: Florida Tech, CP/EE Dept. Lines: 14 In <1992Aug26.211630.26780@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: > I note that the 'conspirators' are running out of time to begin > in August. Don't you just hate it when conspiracies don't begin > on time? (smiley alert) Isn't it obvious what happened? Obviously the first key stage of "Hot Summer Nights" was due to take place in Miami. So the "good" space aliens (whatever color they are) used their weather control beam to steer Hurricane Andrew right thru Miami, disrupting all those carefully laid plans. ;) Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!parsifal.umkc.edu!vax1.umkc.edu!dprebyl Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: A FEW UFO (FACTS?) Message-ID: <1992Sep6.155438.1@vax1.umkc.edu> From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:54:38 GMT Sender: root@parsifal.umkc.edu (Parsifal Administration) Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City Lines: 42 GREETINGS ALL: I HAVE READ SOME OF YOUR MESSAGES IN THE GROUP AND I FIND THEM FASCINATING... SO I DECIDED TO POST WHAT I HAVE READ AND HEARD ABOUT UFO'S. BEFORE I START, THOUGH, I MUST INFORM YOU THAT I NEITHER BELIEVE OR DISBELIEVE IN UFO'S SINCE I NEVER HAD 101% HARD EVIDENCE THAT ALIENS EXIST OR DON'T EXIST.....AND NOW AS NEAR AS I CAN TELL THERE ARE TWO GROUPS OF ALIENS VISITING US. THEY ARE CUTELY REFERRED TO AS THE NORDS AND THE GREYS. THE NORDS ARE THE MORE HUMAN LOOKING OF THE TWO AND THEY ARE SUPPOSSED TO RESEMBLE THE NORDIC HUMAN RACE (BLOND HAIR AND BLUE EYES? I THINK). ANYWAY, THE GREYS ARE SHORTER AND HAVE BIGGER HEADS AND EYES. OF COURSE THE GREYS ALSO LOOK GREY. I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER OR SEPARTLY AS THE REPORTS ARE RATHER COFLICTING ON THAT AREA. THEIR EXACT PURPOSE REMAINS UNKNOWN BUT FROM WHAT I HEARD HERE IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING...THEY ABDUCT PEOPLE AGAINST THEIR WILL IN A VARIETY OF WAYS. ONCE ON THE SHIP THEY ARE PUT THROUGH A SERIES OF TEST(SOMETIMES QUITE PAINFUL)AND A ITEM IS INSERTED IN THE VICTUM. WHAT IT IS, IS UNKNOWN BUT USUALLY IT IS PLACED IN A PLACE VERY DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY(SUCH AS IN THE BRAIN). AFTER THAT, IF THE VICTUM IS UNLUCKLIER THEN THEY ARE FORCED TO HAVE SEX(EITHER WITH OTHER HUMANS OR WITH ALIENS--THEY CONFLICT IN THAT AREA ALSO). AS THE FINAL STAGE OF THEIR HELL TOUR THEY ARE FORCED TO HOLD INFANTS AND (YUCK) CUDDLE THEM. AFTER THAT THEY ARE RELEASED, OFTEN VERY BIZZARE PLACES. IT IS ALSO REPORTED THAT THESE ALIENS HAVE BEEN VISITING HUMANITY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THERE IS MUCH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS THEORY: STONEHENGE, THE PYRAMIDS, AN ANCIENT CITY BUILT IN THE MOUNTAINS(CALLED TIUMANHIMA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT I'LL CHECK ON THE SPELLING LATER), THE SKY ART, ETC. ETC. RIGHT NOW I'M NOT GOING IN ALL OF THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TYPE MUCH MORE AND I'M SURE MOST OF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. GEE THATS ABOUT ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT NOW...I KNOW I KNOW MUCH MORE BUT I CAN'T THINK WHAT IT IS. SO I'LL CONCLUDE THIS WITH WHAT I THINK.... THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT AND IT WOULD BE VERY NICE IF WE COULD SOLVE THE MYSTERY...... "DPREBYL" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!mcconned From: mcconned@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Black Aircraft Info Message-ID: <1992Sep6.181502.42828@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 6 Sep 92 18:15:01 CDT Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 26 Since this newsgroup has been brushing the topic of black aircraft, I thought I would supply the issues in Aviation Week and Space Technology that deal with the subject. If you're so inclined, check them out. October 1, 1990 pg. 20-23 Talks about hypersonic "pulser" aircraft and other possible black aircraft the United States in toying with. December 24, 1990 pg. 41-44 Same topics as above. June 20, 1991 pg. 20-21 Identifies Northrop TR-3A "Black Manta" as the triangular black reconnaissance aircraft supporting F-117 activities. October 28, 1991 pg. 68-69 Talks about pulsed engines in black aircraft. March 9, 1992 pg. 66-67 Black technology May 11, 1992 pg. 62-63 Talks about "Pulser" evidence. The first two articles are really wild and are worth the time to look up. These aircraft, visually anyway, would be considered borderline UFO. One article states that perhaps these aircraft are the reason the Iron Curtain fell. We certainly won't know for a long time. I hope this information can help. David McConnell AE @ University of Kansas Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!fmsrl7!lynx!nmsu.edu!usenet From: rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) Subject: Alien appearance and Christs return Message-ID: <1992Sep7.000650.17851@nmsu.edu> Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu Organization: New Mexico State University Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:06:50 GMT Lines: 26 With all the recent sightings of the 'virgin' Mary, and a growing number of people starting to believe that 'Christ' may be returning soon.. could this tie into the supposed alien appearances that may start happening in the mid-to-late 90's?? Maybe these little guys know of the christian religion and can use an advanced for of holigraphy to display these 'images' of Mary. With this, they can attempt to capture the 'Christ' image for themselves, and use it to help in their initial contact. It's been proposed that 'Christ' was actually an alien before, why not in his second comming?? (smile) Well.. enough of the whacked out philosophy.. back to the Young Ones.. -- Joseph Good +-------------------+ - More than just a band.... | Green Dot Brigade | - It's a whole damn army of dots... +-------------------+ - And we've declared war on the 7-Up dots... rscott@nmsu.edu (NeXT mail welcome!!) (main account) atlantis@acca.nmsu.edu (Just plain ol' Unix) (seldom used) Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11675 alt.alien.visitors:9193 sci.skeptic:30580 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!news.u.washington.edu!milton.u.washington.edu!pul From: pul@milton.u.washington.edu (Arbaline) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Keywords: Ostrich people Message-ID: <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> Date: 7 Sep 92 01:57:36 GMT Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep7.015736.21418 References: <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com> <65284@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@u.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Washington Lines: 25 In article <65284@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: >Dear Folks: So much interest has been shown in the article about the >Ostrich people (by Leonard and Doug) that I decided to look up the material >again. I found one readily accessible source describing the two toed Ostrich people: the Guiness Book of World Records! Now, I don't remember exactly what category it was under - probably something like most easily induced genetic anomaly - but it described that this huge physical change is caused by the mutation of only one single gene. I was reading from the 1987 edition, although it's probably mentioned in later versions, as well. And, just to make this article worth reading, I felt like looking up the "World's worst tongue twister"! The worst (English language) tongue twister is: "The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick." Now, everyone say this three times *fast*! :) -|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- | Walter D. "Cruiser1" Pullen - pul@milton.u.washington.edu | -|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- | "Who am I, What am I? As I am, I am not. But as we are, I AM. And to | - you my creation, My Perfect Love is your Perfect Freedom. And I will be - | with you forever and ever, until the End, and then forever more." - GOD | -|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!rpi!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!laidbak!obdient!amiserv!amiganet!chameleo From: chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Siriusly.... Message-ID: Date: 7 Sep 92 00:32:10 GMT Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems Lines: 6 Any opinions on the book "The Sirius Mystery" by R.K. Temple???? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR STINKINESS TO YOURSELF????? R.H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9195 talk.religion.newage:11676 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!usc!rpi!batcomputer!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!rhys From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: SONFA and Pleiadians 13 Keywords: sonfa pleiadians chakra Message-ID: <10194@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> Date: 7 Sep 92 02:59:00 GMT Sender: news@cs.uq.oz.au Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 126 OK, here it is. Don's September 3, 1992 post reduced to its raw form. I've applied SONFA to it - the "Strip Out Nonsense Filtering Algorithm". :-) I've eliminated all the flowery phrases and passages that treat us like morons that believe anything we are told, and have extracted the information content (such as it is). My own comments are in square brackets. If anyone feels that I've made a mistake during extraction or left something out, please e-mail. It quickly becomes obvious that there are lots of claims, but no supporting evidence or offers to point out individuals that can be examined for "extra abilities", or ways equipment can be modified to detect extra DNA helixes, chakras, etc. Don, are you willing to provide further Pleiadian transcripts that _do_ explain equipment that can be used? My posting this SONFA output in no way implies belief in any of it on my part. It is interesting to note that the original 211 lines can be compacted to 80 lines or so. There's some more discussion from me at the end if you want to skip the SONFA output. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ About DNA: o The helixes are filled with information. o Made up of millions of light-encoded filaments, like fiber optics. Spriritualism: o The physical world is a clue to the spiritual world. o In history, certain "gods put in charge" needed us to operate in a certain way so we could be controlled. o The gods unplugged our intelligence. [Thanks a lot, god!!] o The light-encoded filaments were scattered. o Beginning to connect now because of timed mutation. Extra helixes and chakras: o The helixes evolve in sets of three, until there are 12. o Each of the 12 corresponds to a chakra center. o 12 is the common denominator humans can handle without self-destruction, although certain individuals could handle more. o The 12 helixes plug into the 12 chakra systems: 7 inside, and 5 outside the body. o Can physically touch and locate the 7 inside. o 8th hovers about 12 inches or more outside the body. o 9th is within a few feet until the 9 helixes are formed, and then will move out into the atmosphere. o 10th within the solar system. o 11th within the galaxy. o 12th located and anchored "someplace" in the universe. [It's going to be real difficult to find these chakras if they are millions of miles away, isn't it? Oh! I forgot, we should take the Pleiadians on face value and just accept it. Well, how did they locate them to know they exist in the first place before telling us?] Different kinds of humans: o Different humans will be hit with the changes at different times. o Chaos would ensue if it all happened at once. o Those that can show those that can't. o The more humans that change, the more the process will accelerate. o More energy will be made available to humans that can accomodate it, and will become wealthy in the realms of mastery. Family matters and more on DNA: o You choose who your parents will be so you'll get the DNA you want, with the information you can use. o DNA is long strands of chromosomal matter stored inside the cells. o Scientists have decoded perhaps one-millionth of it. Junk DNA and breathing exercises: o The undecoded bits, junk DNA, contains all the "good bits". o The "chosen ones" can activate their junk DNA, awaken new abilities, and assist every one else to do it too. o Those that activate their DNA become new beings. o Activation is assisted by oxygenation (breathing). o The "gods" are altering us through "energy acceleration". o We all have breathing in common, which regenerates and activates. Suggestions to the converted: o Add more oxygen to your body (i.e. breath). o Things you can do through breathing: * Activate or deactivate the crystalline structures. * Activate own self. * Clear energy between two beings. * Bring about a state of great calmness. * Bring about a state of altered consciousness. * Bring about a state of healing. * Eventually, teleportation, bi-location and dematerialization. o This is something that we are working towards [apparently]. Contact: o Contact has existed from the beginning. o Some have come down to live and teach. o All great leaps forward made by mankind has been guided by "them". o It is up to us to decide whether or not to ask for assistance from those "in the know". [i.e. anything mankind has achieved was handed out to us. We are just puppets, and if we want to know more, then we must believe what the Pleiadians and Don are telling us.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All in all, this stuff is a clever mixture of facts that we know, and things that we must believe. Don, show me a chakra (either physically or as some detectable energy source). Hell, post me your 9th chakra (since it's supposed to be able to go anywhere in the atmosphere, right?), and maybe I'll take you a little more seriously. :-) Offers from people who wish to form a "SONFA gang" to similarly filter other wild posts can be sent to me via e-mail. Don, if you e-mail me all of the Pleiadian transcripts you've posted in the past, and I find the time, I'll be happy to apply SONFA to them also. Cheers, Rhys. -- Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia. rhys@cs.uq.oz.au "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!att-out!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: A FEW UFO (FACTS?) Message-ID: Date: 7 Sep 92 03:07:10 GMT References: <1992Sep6.155438.1@vax1.umkc.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 19 dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu (WRITER OF CAPITOL LETTERS) writes: [lots o' stuff] ... It would help if you gave references where your read/heard all this. Unfortunately, the assertion that the pyramids (at least) require aliens to build just doesn't hold up. The techniques used are not that hard, providing you have enough labor, and motive. Even the "mystic pi" stuff has terrestrial solution -- a Japanese TV crew (making an excellent documentary called "Great Pyramid", which has been shown on the Discovery Channel) showed that a wheel would be the only reliable measurer of distance (which had to be fairly precisely measured to build a pyramid that wouldn't fall down), and so the assertion that they-had-to-know-pi actually is due to the purest of accidents. Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a3810 From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: computers in UFO Message-ID: <14906@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 7 Sep 92 08:01:16 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 30 > Juhana Hakum{ki writes: > > Msg-ID: > Posted: 6 Sep 92 16:44:30 GMT > > Org. : University of Kuopio, Finland > > u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes: > >anyone has any idea about the computers in the UFO? > >It should be very advanced , anyone seen that before? > > UFOs do not use the fly-by-computer method. Thus, there are no computers on > board. By utilizing a method called fly-by-wire, they eliminate the need for > expensive electronic gear. Besides, it gives you a much better "feel" of the > craft. Fly by wire IS "fly by computer". What, you don't think there are any computers in an F-16? Of course, you probably believe aliens helped build F-16's..... -- Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world. mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars ---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless ---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards." Stealth Sig#42 | --From "N-Man #3" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!ira.uka.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re:Christ's return Message-ID: <1992Sep7.093058.4677@ntb.ch> Keywords: Christ's return Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1992Sep7.000650.17851@nmsu.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:30:58 GMT Lines: 26 Jesus / Christ "It's been proposed that 'Christ' was actually an alien before, why not in his second comming??" (Joseph, but no relation, I believe) When "Christ" was here in a human body, he had the name "Jesus". He's probably been in "alien" bodies as well as other human ones. I didn't hear him say that he'd ever left. I believe the Second Coming will be when *we* accept him again, rather than the Christian-Jewish version of him descending with a sword from the sky. In "A Course In Miracles", Jesus (I know, I should call him "Christ") says: The world will end with the benediction of holiness upon it. When not one thought of sin remains, the world is over. It will not be destroyed nor attacked nor even touched. It will merely cease to seem to be." I love that "cease to seem to be". ACIM's very poetic in parts. (and I like it that we *all* get back to Heaven in the end) This also convinces me that the greys aren't having more influence on us than say Hitler's movement, that they won't take us over completely. They could have done this long ago, if they'd wanted, couldn't they? Paul. Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!ira.uka.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: Aliens without souls Message-ID: <1992Sep7.093545.5210@ntb.ch> Followup-To: Crossbreeds Keywords: Reincarnation Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1884r0INNonp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:35:45 GMT Lines: 14 David writes: If you believe in reincarnation, are these cross-breeds imbued with reincarnated human souls? Do they even have individual souls? I can't see that there is such a thing as a "human" soul. Your soul can surely reincarnate on any planet, at any time, in any dimension. We may have all been greys! Paul Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11679 alt.alien.visitors:9200 sci.skeptic:30593 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65409@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 06:49:44 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Lines: 8 Subject Ex-CIA Pilot: There is a person who once was a CIA pilot in Southeast Asia, a 30 year air line pilot and the son of the person who invented the same jet planes that are used by rich people. His name is John Lear. lately he has been saying quite a few things about our government in the press. It's all public information. Here are a few things he is saying; The U.S. government has recovered more than 40 flying saucers belonging to alien civilizations far beyond our solar system. And Navy pilots have successfully flown several of these craft under a secret program begun in the mid-1950s. The remains of as many as 100 captive Extraterrestrial Biological Entities (EBEs), representing as many as 15 different species, are being secretly preserved in cryogenic storage. The U.S. has established secret bases on the moon and on Mars, with NASA's Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Spacelab and Shuttle projects just smoke screens for what's really been going on. John Lear didn't give UFOs much thought until a friend of his told him the truth about the Brentwaters Air Force Base Incident near London, England in late 1980. After that he started to piece together facts about what He believed to be a massive but well-intentioned cover-up by the U.S. government. He said he discovered that working behind a cloak of ultrasecrecy, the U.S. many years ago granted the aliens permission to abduct humans in exchange for their superadvanced technology. He believes that at thi s moment , there are at least 70 different species of aliens on Earth performing an infinite variety of missions and there are also secrtet alien underground bases on American soil. Source of information:Sept. 8, 1992 Examiner. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11680 alt.alien.visitors:9201 sci.skeptic:30595 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65410@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 07:17:06 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com> <65284@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> Lines: 16 To People of Shan: It's monday morning and I have a little time so here I go again. For the last 24 hours I have been off the computer. It seems like that something kicks me off about once a week. That was quite a tongue twister that Walter put on and Warren I don't think there is any way to take a camera on an astral journey. This last week a friend of mine who feeds me information from the Net gave me an article saying that Shirley McClain was introducing a new motion picture by the name of A Brief History of Time or something like that. It is the story of the man from Oxford who goes around in a wheelchair and talks through a computer. I went to see it and if you consider yourself to be an intellectual I believe you will enjoy it. This last week I did some NASA material about their future shuttle flight that they will be making early in Sept. 1992. It has to do with frog eggs developing in microgravity. It will be done in cooperation with the Japanese. NASA has a lot of dedicated people working for them. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11681 alt.alien.visitors:9202 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65413@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 08:48:13 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> Lines: 7 Subject: My Friend Len. Part 3. Once he told the son of a friend that he should not take a certain trip down a certain road that night until he had checked the left side of his car. The young man checked his car and replaced a worn out tire and shock absorber on the right side of his car. He then checked with Len to see if he could have been wrong in that it was the right side of the car. Len then reassured him that it was the left side and that if he didn't fix the car there would be a fatality. The boy then in no uncetrtain terms told Len that he didn't know what he was talking about and hung up the phone. After a while the boy phoned up again to beg his pardon because he found that two lug bolts had come off of his front left wheel and the other lug bolt were barely still on the wheel. If he hadn't corrected it he would have surely been killed that evening. Len suggested that we go up into Niles Canyon. I was farmiliar with the story that is connected with Niles Canyon. About 12 to 17 years back there was a young lady who was driving down the cnayon road trying to get home to where she lived across the Dumbarton Bridge. Her car had hit a small bridge on the Niles Canyon Road and she was killed. After that time over quite a long period of time (serveral year) people had seen her ghost hitchhiking along the road. People had even stopped to pick her up and she would get in the back seat of their car. After going down the road for quite a while and without stopping the car the girl would no longer be in the car. The people in Niles and Fremont, Calif. have a lot of fun during the Halloween season trying to find her along that road. The local paper has written this up on different occasions and I believe I saw a similar story on a T.V. show One Step Beyond or Outter Limits hosted by Rod Sterling. So after all of this small talk we were on our way in his car. When we got to within about 5 miles of the area Len asked me what I was feeling. I then told him that I was feeling like something had been put on my shoulders and was pressing them down. He said that the feeling was correct because he also was wearing a spritual type of helmet. I didn't quite understand it all but had heard of people who had seen a space man by the name of Ashtar and he had a beautiful uniform on and a large helmet. End Part 3. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The text... (Aliens on Earth) Message-ID: <15819066097@tron.gun.de> Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 22:37:00 +0200 Lines: 240 Now I send some information on aliens which I've received as a text-file from an german BBS. I think that USENET ist the best way to publish it. In some of your messages in ALIEN/VISITORS I saw that some facts are already known. e.g. JFK was killed by the MJ-12. More about Kennedy in this file. I had to divide it in 4 parts to post it... PART1: What follows is a transcript of a 45 minute lecture that I attended on 11-17-89 at the "Whole Life Expo." in Los Angeles, California. Speaking was Mr. Milton William Cooper who I first became acquainted with through a text file I downloaded from a local computer BBS. The file dealt with the subject of UFO's and our government's concealment of the truth about them in such a way that it made a lasting impression on me, which is why I attended his lecture; to learn more. Please forgive my probable misspelling of some of the proper names in the transcript which follows and allow that I have taken it as best I could, word-for-word, from a less than acceptable micro-cassette recording. If you are as moved by what you are about to read as I was in hearing it first hand, I ask that you please spread it as far and wide as possible. Upload it to every BBS in your reach and please, don't change anything. Also, please give considerable thought to Mr. Cooper's suggestions as to what we all can do to see that this information is confirmed by our government to make them stop what they are up to. Thank you, and now, Milton Cooper: "For those of you who don't know who I am, I was raised in a military family. My family, my ancestors, since they came to this country, have been government people. We have served in the military, we have been patriots, we have fought in all the wars, we care about this country and believe in the constitution of the United States. We know, as many people don't know, that the Constitution of the United States of America IS the United States of America! And that's why we've always been ready ...to do the things needed ...to preserve and protect it." "When I left home I went into the Air Force, the Strategic Air Command. As a child I'd heard stories from my father and pilots, other pilots, my father was a pilot, about Foo Fighters, UFO's, strange craft that were not made on this Earth. And as a kid, you hear that in passing, and it's neat, and you giggle about it, and you go out and play "Space Man", and you forget it." "When I was in the Air Force I met men who had participated in alien crashed-craft recoveries. Now this intrigued me, it interested me, but it was usually after quite a few bottles of beer that these stories would come out, and sometimes the next morning I couldn't remember what the heck the guy said." "When I left the Air Force I went into the Navy, and this is where everything began to happen for me. I had originally intended to just go from service to service and do something that very few people have ever done before. I was a very adventurous, very crazy ...young man, and I thought that that would be a pretty exciting life. I volunteered for submarines, and while on the submarine U.S.S. Tyroot, SS-416, on a transit between the Portland/Seattle area and Pearl Harbor, which was our home port; the Pearl Harbor sub base, as the port lookout I saw a craft, saucer-shaped, the size of a Midway class carrier, aircraft carrier, for those of you who don't know how big that is; it's huge, come up out of the water approximately 2 1/2 nautical miles off the port bow, which is about 45 degrees to the left of the pointy end of the submarine. It tumbled slowly on its own axis, and went up into the clouds. It appeared to be moving slowly to me at a distance of 2 1/2 nautical miles, but in reality it was moving pretty fast because it came up out of the water, did a few tumbles and it was gone!" "I then reported it to the officer of the deck. I didn't tell him what it was that I saw because my Daddy didn't raise no fools and in case nobody else saw it I didn't want to be the only looney onboard the ship. So I asked the officer of the deck to help me cover that area, and he did, which is common for officers and lookouts to help each other while on bridge watch because they all hang together if something bad happens. After a few seconds of watching, the same craft, or another craft exactly like it, came down out of the clouds, tumbled again on its own axis, and went into the water. Ensign Ball, who was the officer of the deck, was literally shocked! What could I say? Seaman Dejeralimo, who was the starboard lookout, had also witnessed this, and ensign Ball called the captain to the bridge who was followed by the chief quartermaster who brought a 35MM camera, and we watched for between 7 and 10 minutes the same craft, or different craft that looked exactly alike, enter and leave the water. It was an incredible show. I don't know if they knew we were there, or if they even cared, but the craft did not glow, they were metal, they were machines without a doubt, they were obviously intelligently guided, they were HUGE, and having been in the Air Force and the Navy and knowing what it takes, I knew without a doubt, and know it today, that that machine was not made on the face of this Earth. Because there's nothing that man can make, that can fly through the air at a speed like that, tumble on its own axis, and enter the water and effectively fly beneath the sea." "If you've ever been aboard an airplane and then gone aboard a submarine, I know there's probably some of you in this room who have visited a submarine at one time or another, you can readily see just without even any of the technicalities involved how difficult such a thing would be to do. Where would it be built, that size? It was absolutely incredible. It changed my life because then all the stories that I'd heard all my life I knew were true, and I began seeing the world in a different light." "It wasn't long after that I was trained by Naval security in intelligence. I was sent to Viet Nam. I was assigned as a patrol boat captain, first in DaNang harbor, given a crew, given a multi-million dollar patrol boat. My job was to gather intelligence from the people who lived around the harbor and the fishermen who transited the harbor, and maintain the safety and security of the harbor and the shipping. After about 5 months I was sent up North to the DMZ, to a place called Qua Vieaf [sp], on the Tacan [sp] river. Our base camp was at the river mouth. We were only 3 miles South of the North Vietnamese border and our job was to patrol the Tacan river from the river mouth to Dang Ha[sp], and then up the Quang Tree [sp] cutoff to Quang Tree city, again to get to know the people on the bank, gather intelligence, and to patrol every night and maintain the safety and security of the river and the river traffic." "It was while there that I discovered that there was a tremendous amount of UFO and alien activity in Viet Nam. It was always reported in official messages as 'enemy helicopters.' Now any of you who know anything about the Viet Nam war know that the North Vietnamese did not have any helicopters, especially after our first couple of air raids into North Viet Nam. Even if they had they would not have been so foolish as to bring them over the DMZ because that would have insured their demise. Our troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy helicopters,' enemy troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy helicopters,' and occasionally people would disappear. And on one instance that I know for sure at least one entire village disappeared one night due to alien activity. The reason they used the term 'enemy helicopters' in messages and dispatches was that in Viet Nam you could be overrun at any time, no matter where you where. They did not bring crypto encoding equipment into Viet Nam, I'm talking about the machinery. What we did is we had crypto tables, and once we every 24 hours those codes would be no good. So that's what we used. We also, because of the inability to use crypto transmitting equipment, had to devise code words such as 'enemy helicopters.'" "When I left Vietnam I was eventually attached to the headquarters staff of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet at Macalappa, [sp] Hawaii, which is a little hill overlooking Pearl Harbor, it's a beautiful white building up there, and I was specifically attached to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet." "It was during this tour of duty that, in the course of my duties, documents were placed in my hands that were so unbelievable and so incredible that it took me quite a while to adjust to the fact that what I was seeing was real. Now for those of you who don't understand how I could come to see this information let me give you a little short course in security clearance and "the need to know" and how you get to see classified information if you're in the military or in the government, it doesn't matter which, the rules are the same." "Number one you need a security clearance, and you've got to have clearance at the level that the information you want to see is classified at. In this instance it was classified 'Top Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' which I came to find out later is the highest security classification in the Nation. To get that type of clearance, all you have to have is a Federal Bureau of Investigation background check, which takes about six months and they send federal agents to your home, to your old schools, to all your teachers, to your friends, to everybody you put down on your security clearance forms, to all your old addresses, your neighbors, everybody that you've worked for, and it's embarrassing because they don't tell them what they're checking on. They just show them their identification and start asking questions and that's when you find out who's your friend and who's not, because a lot of people get scared and think, 'Bill just robbed a bank and I'm not talkin' to him anymore.'" "Now once you get that it's called a 'B.I.' and for those of you who have received a copy of my service record look on the first page, the DD-214 where it says 'Security Clearance,' you will see the term 'B.I.' That's a 'Bureau of Investigation' clearance. Now at that point, you have the clearance for everything including Top Secret and above. What determines what you get to see is your need to know, and the job that you have determines what your need to know is." "I was assigned to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet, who had to know everything concerning his area of operations which was one-half of the Earth's surface; the Indian ocean, the Pacific ocean, and all the land masses in between. Believe it or not, if we go to war, if we ever go to war, it's the United States Navy that strikes the first blow and attempts to keep the enemy at bey while we can get ourselves together, at least historically. Nuclear weapons have kind of done away with that concept, but military commanders like to talk about it anyway." "Because of this, and you have no conception of the amount of material and information that an area commander has to know, it's unbelievable, and he has to keep track of this, he has to keep on top of it. He has to know what's happening, he has to make the right decisions. Because it's almost humanly impossible for anyone to do that, they have what's called a briefing team, and it's our job to make sure that he has the correct information, all the time, on a 24 hour basis. And every morning, between 8 and 9 AM, we would give a briefing which covered everything that happened in the previous 24 hours, and everything scheduled to happen in the next 24 hours, and all the pertinent intelligence reports that we had received since the last briefing that he needed to know and that his staff members needed to know. Occasionally we would get messages marked 'Top Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' and it would be coded in such a way that all you had were answers to questions which you didn't know what the questions were so you really didn't know what the message was all about." "But eventually I found myself in possession, holding two documents; one called 'Project Grudge,' another one called 'Operation Majority.' Project Grudge contained the history of alien involvement since around 1936, and it began talking about Germany's involvement with a crashed disk that they had recovered in 1936 and were attempting to duplicate the technology. They were not successful despite what all these Nazi hunters want to tell you. If they had been successful, we would not have won the war, because you cannot beat those weapons! You cannot outfly those craft, you can't even think about it with conventional aircraft. If Germany had been successful, we would now have a German flag up in front of this podium." "They did make some headway. When we went into Punta Mundy [sp] we captured documents, we got some scientists, we got some hardware. The Russians also got some documents, some scientists, and some hardware. It wasn't until 1947 that we were able to capture a craft, a whole craft, not all together but it was everything. And that occurred near the city of Roswell, New Mexico. There were dead aliens recovered from the craft. In Project Grudge I saw photographs of these dead aliens, of the craft, I saw photographs of live aliens, I saw photographs of autopsies, internal organs, I saw photographs of the alien designated 'E.B.'[or Ebe] which was held in captivity from 1949 until June the 2nd, 1952 when he died. I saw the history of what they had been able to at that time put together, from incidents in the 1800's which involved aliens and their craft." "I saw the names of projects. I saw a project that was to fly recovered alien craft that had been recovered intact and undamaged, and some of them were recovered intact and undamaged, and how that happened I have no idea. It was called 'Project Red-light,' and first was conducted from the Tonopah test range in the Nevada test sight and then was moved to a specially built area, ordered built by president Eisenhower, called 'Area-51,' code named 'Dreamland,' in the Groom [sp] dry lake area of the Nevada test sight, by secret executive order. It doesn't exist officially, if you ask anyone, or if you write letters to the government they will tell you it doesn't exist. However if you go out there at several places and see it, fly outside the boundaries and look down and see it, you know it's there, but according to the government it doesn't exist." > You'll see part 2 after my next netcall... ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Go directly to jail, do not pass 'GO', do not collect $400. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!gmd.de!Germany.EU.net!ira.uka.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: A FEW UFO (FACTS?) Message-ID: <1992Sep7.160233.21947@ntb.ch> Followup-To: :D.Preby Keywords: Alien help Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:02:33 GMT Lines: 37 Charles writes in reply to dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu (WRITER OF CAPITAL LETTERS) Unfortunately, the assertion that the pyramids (at least) require aliens to build just doesn't hold up. The techniques used are not that hard, providing you have enough labor, and motive. Even the "mystic pi" stuff has terrestrial solution... I agree entirely with Charles. This sort of topic is fascinating, but if you take the trouble to really read up about it (not the sensationalist books, but a serious scholar) then you realize that those people really were capable of these things. Easter Island, the Pyramids, Stonehenge, the Nazca "sky art", (and here I must side with the very irate supporter of modern-day "monuments", things like stealth too) have people who have studied them and can explain them. (I have a text from 1980 which quotes William Perry, chief of R&D for the Defence Dept., who says that stealth research has been going on since the early 1960s.) The pyramids were not made by slaves, but by paid workers. Some of the pyramids were extremely badly designed. (One collapsed during the building, killing hundreds of people, another had to be "flattened off" during its construction...) It's often the "sensationalist" writers who make the money, while the serious students are ignored, often of course because they are not as interesting. (Of all of the sensational Bermuda Triangle stories I've read, I've never read one without a simple explanation.) Have you seen those stones at Stonehenge? No self-respecting alien would be associated with such a rough job. (And nobody will openly admit that the whole "temple" was built slightly out of alignment, although this is the case...) Of course, for the technology of the time, it's an absolute masterpiece. The builders may have even come from Spain to build it (Iberians). Same goes for the pyramids. Almost incredible for those days. Hats off to those engineers. Now, what about these greys... Do they have souls, do they really interbreed with humans, are they the ones behind the animal mutilations, has the US Government made a treaty with them, are the abduction stories true... these are the questions, because there are no experts (yet) to ask... Regards to all, Paul. Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!parsifal.umkc.edu!vax1.umkc.edu!dprebyl Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: A FEW UFO (FACTS?) Message-ID: <1992Sep7.125032.1@vax1.umkc.edu> From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:50:32 GMT Sender: root@parsifal.umkc.edu (Parsifal Administration) References: <1992Sep6.155438.1@vax1.umkc.edu> Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City Lines: 29 In article , mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes: > > dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu (WRITER OF CAPITOL LETTERS) writes: > [lots o' stuff] > > ... It would help if you gave references where your read/heard all > this. YOUR ABSOULTLY RIGHT I'LL DO BETTER WHEN I READ/HEAR/OR WHATEVER NEW INFO ON THIS SUBJECT. BUT IN MY DEFENSE I WAS WRITING JUST WHAT I KNEW AS A MEANS OF JOINING THIS GROUP > > Unfortunately, the assertion that the pyramids (at least) require > aliens to build just doesn't hold up. The techniques used are not > that hard, providing you have enough labor, and motive. Even the > "mystic pi" stuff has terrestrial solution -- a Japanese TV crew > (making an excellent documentary called "Great Pyramid", which has > been shown on the Discovery Channel) showed that a wheel would be the > only reliable measurer of distance (which had to be fairly precisely > measured to build a pyramid that wouldn't fall down), and so the > assertion that they-had-to-know-pi actually is due to the purest of > accidents. GREAT THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRING TO DO...JUST THROW A FACT OR TWO IN THE RING...THANKS FOR THE INFO. > > Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!grip.cis.upenn.edu!jmv From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Alien appearance and Christs return Message-ID: <88117@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 7 Sep 92 18:09:31 GMT References: <1992Sep7.000650.17851@nmsu.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: GRASP Lab Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu In article <1992Sep7.000650.17851@nmsu.edu>, rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) writes: > > With all the recent sightings of the 'virgin' Mary, and a growing > number of people starting to believe that 'Christ' may be returning > soon.. could this tie into the supposed alien appearances that > may start happening in the mid-to-late 90's?? > Well, it sures shows the same old thing once again: hysteria leads to more hysteria, which leads to even more hysteria.... > Maybe these little guys know of the christian religion and can use > an advanced for of holigraphy to display these 'images' of Mary. > With this, they can attempt to capture the 'Christ' image for themselves, > and use it to help in their initial contact. > Now that would work ok for Xtians, but why, by jove, don't they do the same in Islamic countries or Buddhist ones ? > It's been proposed that 'Christ' was actually an alien before, why not > in his second comming?? No, There is no Second coming of Christ. A clone will be sent instead. JM. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!psinntp!avernus!mgfrank From: mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! References: <479@mindlink.bc.ca> Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:24:49 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep7.032449.13027@avernus.com> Lines: 15 In article believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: >Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns? You're right. Far BETTER to MOCK his MESSENGERS. >GOD speaks through children and the insane. Well, you're half right. Marc G. Frank mgfrank@avernus.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." Homer Simpson Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65431@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 18:46:00 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <61006@cup.portal.com> Lines: 39 Subject: Ruins of a 30,000 Year Old City. Part 3. After getting back in our cars we went about 5 more miles up the PC highway, then turned right on a road that sounds like Belken, It is not my purpose to tell people exactly where this city is but if you really want to find it you will or you can take the tour. You might get killed if you try this the wrong way. We encountered snakes, poison oak, poison ivy and some trails that can be very dangerous if you don't have a good guide to direct you. After going up this road for a mile or two we came to an area where a large rock wall came down a hill. It was missing when it went across the road then it started again and went up the hill. R. pointed out that the wall was made of cement and artificial rock. I made for sure that I was hearing him right by asking him if he didn't mean that the walls were made by just picking up the stones on the ground and cementing them together. Her then stated that it was made of artificial rock. These walls were about 10 feet tall and about 2 feet wide. He said that the walls were made to keep wild animals such as the saber toothed tiger (not that they were alive then) and wild people out. I the told R. that these walls looked exactly like the Mysterious Rock Walls that extend from Berkeley, Calif. to Milpitas and have to do with the focusing of Ley Lines. He said that he had heard of them and it was true about the Ley Lines. He had shown a geologist some outcroppings in mountains before but he refused to recognize them as anything artificial. He believes that these walls were originally made to have a charge on them and would shock a person if they touched the walls. R. mentioned that these walls were the last thing that he discov- ed about the city and were the iceing on the cake that proved to him that the city was an actuality. After seeing this wall we went about a mile and saw another wall that was 20 feet tall and 50 feet long and was at an angle to the ground. This wall had been laid down in different layers using different colors of material. All of this reminded me of a boulder that I and a friend tore apart using just a screw driver and no hammer. This was up on Mission Peak in the Fremont, Calif. area. The boulder looked like any other rock but after you chipped away the outside vineer the inside was made of smaller rocks put together with cement. As you went further inside the boulder it was evident that it was man made. End part 3. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!nigel.msen.com!fmsrl7!lynx!nmsu.edu!usenet From: rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) Subject: Dulce New Mexico Message-ID: <1992Sep8.020416.19332@nmsu.edu> Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu Organization: New Mexico State University Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:04:16 GMT Lines: 30 There were some recent postings about the 'secret' base in Dulce, New Mexico.. but I didn't print them out at the time. This saturday, some friends and I are going to be traveling to Dulce, and would like some directions.. hints.. signs.. anything to look for to see if there is actually some kind of alien base there. In one posting, somebody said that if you are traveling down the road to the base, black limo's and helicopters will stop you and ask you to leave.. and if you're lucky, you will get to see some MIB's.. (yay).. This is all we want to see - some proof that there is something there. So, if anybody has any info, could you please send it? Thanks! J -- Joseph Good +-------------------+ - More than just a band.... | Green Dot Brigade | - It's a whole damn army of dots... +-------------------+ - And we've declared war on the 7-Up dots... rscott@nmsu.edu (NeXT mail welcome!!) (main account) atlantis@acca.nmsu.edu (Just plain ol' Unix) (seldom used) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!nigel.msen.com!fmsrl7!lynx!nmsu.edu!usenet From: rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) Subject: Types of abductions Message-ID: <1992Sep8.020931.21077@nmsu.edu> Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu Organization: New Mexico State University Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:09:31 GMT Lines: 33 I have a friend who insists he is constantly examined. He doesn't use the term abducted, because nothing really bad happens. But, when he described his experiences to us, some interesting questions came up. He said that the 'aliens' that examine him are the greys and the 'praying mantis' types, and the mantis ones are all around us, but disguised quite well. These mantis types are the 'seekers' that go out get him for the 'examination'. Has there been any other reports of the mantis aliens doing stuff like this? Second, he says they are constantly asking him history questions. They seem to get angry when he doesn't really know much about the world history. They ask questions that he has never heard of and they insist that those instances were major turning points in world history. Again, any other reports of aliens 'quizing' us about anything?? Just wondering... J -- Joseph Good +-------------------+ - More than just a band.... | Green Dot Brigade | - It's a whole damn army of dots... +-------------------+ - And we've declared war on the 7-Up dots... rscott@nmsu.edu (NeXT mail welcome!!) (main account) atlantis@acca.nmsu.edu (Just plain ol' Unix) (seldom used) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!nmsu.edu!usenet From: gdavis@spock.NMSU.Edu (DAVIS) Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.030008.1477@nmsu.edu> Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu Organization: New Mexico State University References: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:00:08 GMT Lines: 41 In article anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes: > kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes: > > >In article <6qjn1f#.anson@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes: > >>The problem with calling any single ad evidence of some great > >>"sensitization campaign" is that it involves a leap of logic which > >>simply is not justified. You don't *know* the motives of the advertisers > > >How many ads does it take to decide it's a trend? > > You can call it a trend, sure. But to say it involves motives other than > selling the product requires a bit more substance than aliens being featured > in commercials. > -- > > Anson Kennedy anson@netcom.com > Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!) > > "If you don't watch the violence, \ "If I had been the Virgin Mary, > you'll never get desensitized to it." \ I would have said 'No.'" > -Bart Simpson \ -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971) 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Think about this one will ya well have you notice the beer commericals dancing with the aliens and all the car commericals with the wheat field B>S> so i think more than one company talking three big corportations i.e Miller Light (A.B.) and Oldsmobile (G.M. Corp) and the other I can't remember is out for some motive that would suggest logical thinking but what that is and why all of a sudden all rush to do these commerical with aliens might be alarming because it's to suggestive to not speculate that if big corporations can deal with aliens so can the human populus. Just something to think about>>>> gdavis@NMSU.edu And if nothing else we can at least agree to disagree!! Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!nmsu.edu!usenet From: gdavis@spock.NMSU.Edu (DAVIS) Subject: Re: Alien in a bar. Message-ID: <1992Sep8.030324.2333@nmsu.edu> Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu Organization: New Mexico State University References: <1992Sep2.131441.14033@vicorp.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:03:24 GMT Lines: 21 In article <1992Sep2.131441.14033@vicorp.com> mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous) writes: > rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM) writes: > > >In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes: > >> A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman > >> claiming to be an alien. > > >That's the story of my life, pal. That's all you ever find in bars around here. > >Sheesh! > > Naaah. That must have been my ex, an alien claiming to be a woman. > > - Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------- Did you do her???? John Lymon Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!tous!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Subject: Re: The text... (Aliens on Earth) Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:03:52 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep8.050352.11599@bilver.uucp> References: <15819066097@tron.gun.de> Lines: 42 In article <15819066097@tron.gun.de> locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) writes: >Now I send some information on aliens which I've received as a text-file from >an german BBS. I think that USENET ist the best way to publish it. In some >of your messages in ALIEN/VISITORS I saw that some facts are already known. >e.g. JFK was killed by the MJ-12. More about Kennedy in this file. I had >to divide it in 4 parts to post it... > >PART1: > >What follows is a transcript of a 45 minute lecture that I attended on >11-17-89 at the "Whole Life Expo." in Los Angeles, California. Speaking was >Mr. Milton William Cooper who I first became acquainted with through a text >file I downloaded from a local computer BBS. The file dealt with the >subject of UFO's and our government's concealment of the truth about them in >such a way that it made a lasting impression on me, which is why I >amount of UFO and alien activity in Viet Nam. It was always reported in >official messages as 'enemy helicopters.' Now any of you who know > [ Rest of drivel deleted ] Please for your own sake, do investigate ALL of Cooper's claims. We have seen this text here way too many times..each time it's the Same Old Shit. I would Vote for George Herbert Walker Bush *before* I would believe _anything_ that "Uncle Milty" has to say..which is to say..not! Criminy. Did you know that Cooper just took down his BBS? You would know if you were on the Fido UFO, ParaNet or MUFON UFO echoes. Looks like I need to post a few articles on Cooper (again). This is the _same_ William Milton Cooper who sez that it was *Greer* (JFK's driver) that shot JFK. The very *same* Cooper who insists that we built bases on the MOON,ad nauseum... Don -- -* Don Allen *- // Only | Tavistock + Esalen = "New Age" Internet: dona@bilver.uucp \X/ Amiga | Rothschild + Rockefeller = FED UUCP: .uunet!peora!bilver!vicstoy!dona | UN + Maitreya = "Twilight Zone" "A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free" - Thomas Jefferson Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.mr.med.ge.com!bonfire!hinz From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Message-ID: <1992Sep8.063228.10629@mr.med.ge.com> Sender: news@mr.med.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: bonfire Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 References: <1992Sep8.030008.1477@nmsu.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:32:28 GMT Lines: 20 DAVIS (gdavis@spock.NMSU.Edu) wrote: : with the aliens and all the car commericals with the wheat field B>S> so i : think more than one company talking three big corportations i.e Miller Light : (A.B.) and Oldsmobile (G.M. Corp) and the other I can't remember is out for Um.....Miller is owned by RJ Reynolds/Nabisco, not A. Busch. Busch is made in Missouri, with swampwater. Miller is made in Milwaukee, where beer should be made. (according to the atrophied American tastes, anyway). We in Milwaukee are touchy about beer. Me, I drink homebrew or German stuff. Back to the a.a.v insanity, sorry for the interruption. : gdavis@NMSU.edu And if nothing else we can at least agree to disagree!! -- Dave Hinz - Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. Obviously. hinzd@picard.med.ge.com Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11689 alt.alien.visitors:9215 sci.skeptic:30622 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu From: steppe@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Top Changwatchai) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Request for FAQ list Message-ID: <79337@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 8 Sep 92 07:51:48 GMT References: <65284@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> <65410@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Followup-To: talk.religion.newage Lines: 9 Could someone please send me the FAQ list for this newsgroup? Thanks, Top -- steppe@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu "I'm gonna live forever or die trying." From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Eichner) Sender: postmaster@p2.f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!news.netmbx.de!aball!harvey.in-berlin.de!krypta!postmaster Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Is Technology a dead end? Message-ID: <715905503.1@krypta.fidonet.org> Date: 07 Sep 92 17:37:00 EST Lines: 116 Hello Jeff! Answering a msg of , from Jeff Papineau to All: > In the final analysis, we don't really need technology after a certainpoint. > We do need communications of a sort, we need transport, but we need to > know when > to say enough, and focus on stopping war, famine, drought, and bring the > entire mass of humanity along with us on the path... > The other major issue is that, ultimately, all technology is in our heads. Very good! That's also my opinion. Did you have connections to other dimmensions? To Ramtha, Ashtar, Toth, Vywamus, Jesus or anything else? Did you get your information from over there? > And bilocate, and telekinesis, and astral-traval, and remote view. > These are the ultimate final frontiers, beyond what we see on Star Trek. Right! Beeming in StarTrek is like teleportation, but nobody will believe that mankind is able to move from on point to another point without physical technology. So StarTrek have used a crutch for every limited mind. > Because if we can evolve into that which our teachers have tried to > show us we really are, then we possess the wonders of the universe > within each and every one of us, and we could be waisting our time > looking to external devices to do thise things for us, instead of > developing our own conciousness by other means. Very good, who is your teacher? Ramtha? Saint Germain? Did you read the "33 spells" or "alchemy" by Saint Germain? > manifestation of our free will. At some point, evolution of consciousness > requires that entities form union of conciouseness, but that's another > subject > I won't get into right now. Do it! I'm awaiting... > At a certain point in evolution, one could argue, we lose any necessity > of having a body... But you have refined to do a physical experience on this planet... I too. > or we can choose to have or not have a body at > any time, through our use of free will, such as the Masters have shown us. > But now this is getting further out than most people want to think about > at this time. No, I don't think so... I love you... I am pleased that we are not alone on this planet, with this knowledge. And it will be more and more lovely beings. We have build a special newsgroup for interdimensional communication... (UFO.GER at @krypta.in-berlin.de or 2:2403/999@fidonet) > Well, his company has contracted to do remote-viewing of past/present > > /future events for the goernment, and he will be speaking about it at the > > conference. Is it the truth? Very bad!!! This techology in wrong hands is very bad for this planet :-((( > Can you imagin the power of being able to predict accuratly, future events, > or being able to go back in time, to view past ones? It's impossible to look at the real future! Only in the future, that the consciousness is manifesting in the moment... tomorrow the consciousness can change to feature... You can try to build a future, if you circulate a future vision via the TV and newspaper. But the people must believe that. Some black elements in the german mass media try to build a new faschism with special Messages in the news... Most of the people think thats real and they creating the situation for the feature, shown in the news... Another question... What you are thinking about this? -> > From: c8838228@cc.newcastle.edu.au (DO YOU HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR > MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors > In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, > Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes: > > A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman > claiming to be an alien. > She said that she was an incorporeal being from another dimension who > decided to inhabit a human infant and grow up in our culture. The What dimension does he mean? Some beings come from light dimensions at this time. Is it possible that she is comming from the lower earth levels of the fourth dimension? > reason for this is that her colleagues were going to destroy the earth > in 1997 because of mankinds potential to develope interdimensional > transport (they also think that we are sick and disgusting, no suprise > there). It sounds like illuminati of the fourth dimension... Did you read the book about the illuminati? > She is of the opinion that we have some redeming qualities and does > not want us to be destroyed just yet. > Believe it or not, this is not fiction. Has anyone else heard of > incorporeal biengs in human bodies wanting to destroy the earth? I think, no chance... the earth is protectet by Ashtar and any other! best wishes Andre internet: andre@krypta.in-berlin.de FidoNet.: 2:2403/999 --- * Origin: FidoNet-Berlin, the magic node (2:2403/10@FidoNet) From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Eichner) Sender: postmaster@p2.f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!news.netmbx.de!aball!harvey.in-berlin.de!krypta!postmaster Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Who is Rodenberry? Message-ID: <715905503.2@krypta.fidonet.org> Date: 07 Sep 92 17:41:00 EST Lines: 14 Hello Jeff! Monday August 31 1992, Jeff Papineau writes to All: JP> extinction of our race on earth. I guess that is why Rodenberry has JP> focused on it so much... Who is Rodenberry? cheers Andre --- * Origin: FidoNet-Berlin, the magic node (2:2403/10@FidoNet) Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!sgigate!odin!slugo.corp.sgi.com!rodb From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Who is Rodenberry? Message-ID: <1992Sep8.085024.9012@odin.corp.sgi.com> Date: 8 Sep 92 08:50:24 GMT References: <715905503.2@krypta.fidonet.org> Sender: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: slugo.corp.sgi.com Andre,[you write] >Who is Rodenberry? Who created Star Trek? Rod -- Rod Beckwith |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Datacom I/S |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance, rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge." |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!asuacad!levels!9051467f From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Is 700 club safe?. Ho Hum. Message-ID: <18580.2aa921a9@levels.unisa.edu.au> Date: 5 Sep 92 21:07:53 +0930 References: Organization: University of South Australia Lines: 190 In article , believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: > The Aliens through the CBN now control 6 or more cable channels in > virtually every city in America! Don't the Americans have a law which states that no organisation can operate more than one cable station per viewing area? Naughty Aliens, huh.. > Our scientists discovered that 1 out of every 100 frames on CBN carries a > "mental frame" from this dream. Frames are randomly distributed and mixed > with the signal so as to be almost undetectable. Advanced mathematical > technics are required to recover the messages digitally, but the sub > conscious mind will easily distinguish them and act on them. In this case > replaying them as a vivid dream. Er... Excuse me, but didn't they try this in cinemas, making the odd frame one of a desert, couples with an increased air temperature in the summer months to try to boost ice-cream sales in the intermission? It didn't work. > > More on the reason for these subliminal messages later, but first more > on the plans which have already taken place. > > THE DECEIVED. > > Please remember that those working for CBN sincerely believe they are doing > the will of God. The Alien takeover was so careful orchestrated that even > the most sincere where deceived. AHA, now we're getting to the root of this nut's insanity... > > AN ALIEN MAY HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN ON NATIONAL TV! Woah... > > Regrettably our files do not say for certain, but we have good reason to > believe that Pat Robertson is one of the Alien false prophets. Our analysis Everybody with half a brain knows that this Robertson character is a total looney, but this is a little too much fella... > of tapes from the Republican convention shows the presence of powerful > subliminal messages during Robertson's speech. We where unable to isolate > them electronically, however with great prodding we obtained the use of a > PET scan machine. The results where frightening, Pat Robertson's speech was > setting off TEN TIMES the more brain activity than the greatest speeches of > Adolf Hitler and Stalin! To make matters even more frightening it was > effecting areas used for subconscious, while having little effect on > conscious thought. It is like the difference between cocoa leaves and > purified cocaine! If not for the PET scan we would not even have known it > was there! What do you expect, hneslty! Being in Australia, I didn't get to hear all the juicy bits of the Repcon, but I've heard enough to say that his 'emission' would certainly get MY brainwaves in a knot... > NEW PLAGUE OR HOAX? > > In August a new part of the contingency plan greeted us. We where told that > an undetectable form of AIDS had emerged. According to the files the > conspirators will soon announce that this new highly contagious form of AIDS > already has spread through 20% of the population. Testing of the entire > population will be ordered with the national guard sent in wearing > biological warfare suits to round up all those infected. In reality this is > just a ruse. All those who pose a threat to the Aliens will turn out to be > "infected". The Aliens hope that in the state of panic no one will question Er... excuse me, but if it is undetectable, how will the Powers That Be tell who is infected and who isn't? Isn't 20% a little too much here? How many have the detectable version? > THE "RAPTURE" > > Rapture. There will be no rapture rather the victims will find themselves > abducted by 'Greys' from Zeta Reticuli posing as angels. The victims will be > taken to underground bases (heaven) for further brainwashing. The odd kidnap may go undetected, but woudn't an extreme number of kidnaps be noticed just a bit?... > The victims are to be told that assistance is needed in the great battle > against the forces of darkness. Once sufficiently brainwashed they will be > armed by the 'Greys' with weapons of tremendous power (imagine a handgun > that fires thermonuclear tipped bullets at targets miles away). As far as all the physicist keep telling me, I would say that this is impossible. Isn't atleast an amount bigger that the critical mass necessary for a nuke bang, certainly a damn sight more volume than a few cubic millimetres on a bullet tip. > > THE NAZI'S RETURN TO POWER > > Over the past month as previously predicted the Nazi party began to > resurface. Germany was torn apart by Nazi instigated hate crusades. But we > in America are not immune, using the funds of the CBN the 'Greys' created > front groups for the American Nazi's. After some investigation we discovered > that some of the highest leaders in Oregon's OCA are actually German Nazi's > brought to this country after WWII. The Nazi's are using groups like the OCA > to stir hatred against intellectuals (the new Jew), homosexuals, and blacks > just as they did in Nazi germany. The Nazi's tactic is like that of a Somehow I don't think that black hatred would spread as far it use to, not even in deep south, and (to my knowledge) certainly not in northern Oregon. > WHAT IS THE OTHER HAND DOING? > > After Oct 28th America will be in chaos, having been rocked by two earth > shaking events. First we will have been narrowly saved from a "plague", > actually a plot to remove all free thinkers and "subversives". Only weeks > later the "rapture" will happen. While America is still in confusion the Abusing this grain is getting boring. Why is it ALWAYS the AMERICANS that get the chop? Some people are so self important! > WHO ARE WE? > > We are an independent group of UFO investigators. Our members are carefully > selected from among scientists at America's top research institutes. Through OOOOH GOODY! Does this mean that sane people get to take over your positions and get some work done in finding REAL aliens?!?! > WHAT YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT! > > Cut yourself off from false prophets. God is available to us all by reading > the Words of Jesus, praying and helping others. God is not a God of hate, Er... Try reading Leviticus 18:22 (Good News Bible, New English Version) where it says that he hates poofs; or are you going to be one of those Pauline Grace V Levitical Law twerps as in alt.atheism? Is the OT God a different entity to the NT God? > those spreading hatred in GOD's name are the false prophets revelation > speaks of. Do not be deceived! Turn off the sewer of fear and subliminal Are you saying that the Levitical hate is a lie? If so, you are saying that the Bible you so love is suspect & hence how can you put trust in the Gospels? > with those the false prophets told you to hate. Read the four gospels over > and over comparing the message of our lord to that of the false prophets of > Whatever you do, do not give money to the prophets of hate. Money given Thanks for the warning... > to CBN will go straight to the 'Greys'. Call upon true preachers to cut > themselves off from CBN and announce this urgent message to the world. Why do you pick on CBN so much? I'm in Australian, so what's so special about this station? (Hey - is Packer one of these alien sympathisers? It would explain the crap we get. Personally, I stick to Seven or ABC) > > Take a stand against fascism. If someone tries to incite hatred against a > group of people do not be afraid to take a stand. Fascists use hatred as a We don't have to be religious nuts to do this. > tool of control. The control can only be broken by fearlessly taking a > stand, even if it subjects you to ridicule. Fascists will try to speak in > the name of God, do not let them get away with blaspheme. God is not a God If you are going to rant, atleast learn to spell. It's blasphemy or blaspheming. > > FOR RESIDENTS OF OTHER COUNTRIES > > We know that this is a world wide conspiracy, but our sources only have > information on the plans in the US. Please keep your eyes open for similar I have seen NOTHING here, mate. What happened to you - run out of medicine? > -- > | In God We Trust | > --+-- --+-- > | | > | | Kinda says it all about these loonies... -- John McVey, Whyalla campus, Uni S.Australia Electronic Engineering Student & Terror Tekkie G1 (at 19!) 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au, or try 9051467f@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au 'An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.' Don Marquis 'Those who believe in an afterlife won't be disappointed' Me +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Obligatory disclaimer : UniSA hates my opinions... | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!convex!egsner!adaptex!sdf!bryce From: bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) Subject: CATS FROM OUTER SPACE! Message-ID: <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org> Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:00:40 GMT Lines: 5 Recently i viewed a walt disney movie called THE CAT FROM OUTER SPACE. I heard from a friend that this was a TRUE story, found out about by walt disney from sources, so maybe next time you see a cat, it might be an alien visitor.. hmmmm... meow Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news.mr.med.ge.com!bonfire!hinz From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) Subject: Re: Who is Rodenberry? Message-ID: <1992Sep8.115730.13003@mr.med.ge.com> Sender: news@mr.med.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: bonfire Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 References: <1992Sep8.085024.9012@odin.corp.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 11:57:30 GMT Lines: 16 Rod Beckwith (rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com) wrote: : Andre,[you write] : : >Who is Rodenberry? : : : Who created Star Trek? : : Rod : Star Trek? -- Dave Hinz - Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. Obviously. hinzd@picard.med.ge.com Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11693 alt.alien.visitors:9222 sci.skeptic:30629 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65450@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:31:22 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65409@cup.portal.com> Lines: 2 Subject Ostrich People: Part 3 Since the natives are shy and elusive, little was known about them before Dr. C's landmark expedition. We arrived in their village with the goal of observing the people in their day to day lives. This proved to be difficult at first since they were very suspicious and didn't come out of their huts for days. But gradually, they began to lose their fear and approached us., They became wonderful hosts, feeding us and giving us shelter at night.--End Part 3. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11694 alt.alien.visitors:9223 sci.skeptic:30630 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65451@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:33:05 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65409@cup.portal.com> Lines: 9 Subject: The Ostrich People. Part 4 The exlorers admired the way the natives used their forked feet. they even witnessed the birth of a two-toed baby. In the past, the few researchers who had observed the ostrich people believed that their strange feet were the result of a genetic mutation, since we had to accept this explanation but then something amazing happened. It was during the night of a full moon that Dr.C.'s team was wakened by the natives, who were naked and had painted their entire bodies glowing silver. The awestruck explorers followed the tribe into the dark jungle. After several hours, they came upon a large, shining silver dome. It was badly smashed and covered with vegetation. The tribe began dancing wildly around it and singing songs to their ancestors from the sky. The dome was like nothing of this earth. The incredible ceremony continued until the first light of dawn. Then the weary ostrich people led the explorers back to their village. On the way, an elder told Dr.C. that about 200 years ago, the large spinning sun had fallen from the sky, bringing the tribe's ancestors to the remote jungle area. That was all anyone remembered. More will be known when the French team returns to the jungle to study the crashed UFO. This article was written by Francis Shipplett. The Sun Magazines Editorial Offices are at 5401 N.W. Broken Sound Blvd. Boca Raton, FL. 33487. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!wce2 Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:09:21 EDT From: Message-ID: <92252.090921WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Apocalyptics (Was: Is 700 club safe?) References: Lines: 20 Another good source: Leon Festinger et al., WHEN PROPHECY FAILS (Minneapolis: U of Minnesota Press, 1956). A team of sociologists infiltrated a group of proto-New-Age UFO contactees that were predicting the end of the world by flood on December 21. The book gives the leader's name as "Marian Keech" of "Lake City," but her real name was Dorothy Martin, and she lived in the Chicago area. The sociologists joined the group, sat up with them on the night of the cataclysm, and carefully documented how the group redefined itself after the world kept on going. (Martin, renaming herself "Sister Thedra," later moved to the Mount Shasta area, where she still may be alive; "Dharma," who got a mention on this net recently, is one of her younger followers.) I also read a book recently on near-death experiences, which noted that many of the NDEers claimed prophetic visions as part of their newly-found powers, and that a vast majority predicted the demise of California before the end of the 1970s. I suspect that "impending doom" may be a fairly constant element in religious experiences, perhaps an egocentric projection of the recognition that one's own microcosm is doomed to a fairly imminent destruction. Bill Ellis FOAFtale News Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!hri.com!spool.mu.edu!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!anson From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Message-ID: Date: 8 Sep 92 14:05:39 GMT References: <1992Sep8.030008.1477@nmsu.edu> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 33 gdavis@spock.NMSU.Edu (DAVIS) writes: >Think about this one will ya well have you notice the beer commericals dancing >with the aliens and all the car commericals with the wheat field B>S> so i >think more than one company talking three big corportations i.e Miller Light >(A.B.) and Oldsmobile (G.M. Corp) and the other I can't remember is out for >some motive that would suggest logical thinking but what that is and why all of >a sudden all rush to do these commerical with aliens might be alarming because >it's to suggestive to not speculate that if big corporations can deal with >aliens so can the human populus. Just something to think about>>>> Now the question is: Who is their advertising agency? You want to do some research and find out which ad agencies made those commercials? The point is that it isn't the companies who necessarilly come up with the ad campaigns, it's the agencies they hire. In any case, the "sudden rush" to do the commercials *can* be explained without resorting to conspiracy theories. Until such time as contradictory evidence is available, I'll stick with the simple explanation: Savvy advertising agencies capitalizing on a trend. >gdavis@NMSU.edu And if nothing else we can at least agree to disagree!! -- Anson Kennedy anson@netcom.com Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!) "If you don't watch the violence, \ "If I had been the Virgin Mary, you'll never get desensitized to it." \ I would have said 'No.'" -Bart Simpson \ -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!decwrl!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!acetek.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep8.144358.1429@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Lines: 47 Sender: usenet@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com (USENET News System) Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:43:58 GMT In article , believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes: |>Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!cs.widener.edu!eff!world!believer |> |>Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns? |> Having a beer and watching a football game. If he comes in I'll offer he/she/it a beer and soft chair. |>>(Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?) |> |>The WORD of GOD clearly says 2000 years. Is it any wonder that the |>world did not end 1000 years early? Oh! Where? |>GOD speaks through children and the insane. and through my plastic Jesus on the dashboard. |> |>-- |> | In God We Trust | |>--+-- --+-- |> | The rest pay cash | |> | | |> Steve Food_for_the_Grays -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | | | My atheism, like that of Spinoza, is true piety towards the | | universe and denies only gods fashioned by men in their own | | image to be servants of their human interests. | | | | -- George Santayana | | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9227 alt.conspiracy:18209 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!usc!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!datum.nyo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!est.enet.dec.com!randolph From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep8.143924.7421@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: 8 Sep 92 14:26:00 GMT References: <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 14 In article <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes... >Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN Gary, You know what makes all this not particularly believable? The fact that with all this stuff "the government" is supposedly doing to you, you just hang around and take it. If it were me, I'd have gotten my butt far, far away from here if I thought "the government" was replacing the whole country with clones, or if they were throwing me in and out of mental hospitals every other day. BTW, try paying your phone bill. You'll probably have much less problems with the phones. -Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ucla-cs!lanai.cs.ucla.edu!pierce From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) Subject: Meeting of the Minds Message-ID: <1992Sep8.163644.12205@cs.ucla.edu> Originator: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: lanai.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 16:36:44 GMT Lines: 16 I heard a strange story, which I hope someone on alt.alien.visitors will elaborate on or debunk: I heard that a couple of years ago entertainer Steve Allen was a guest on the Michael Jackson radio talk show. During that interview Allen stated that he has a friend, let's say X, whom Allen trusts and respects, but whose name Allen felt he could not reveal. X confided in Allen that X had in the 1960s been at a small social gathering in the home of film director Vincente Minelli. Ronald and Nancy Reagan (this was before R. Reagan had become California governor) were to attend the gathering, but the ordinarily punctual couple showed up several hours late. According to X, the Reagans claimed that the reason they were late was that they had been abducted by space aliens. -- Brad Pierce -- Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9229 alt.conspiracy:18210 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 16:35:17 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com> <1992Sep8.143924.7421@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Lines: 29 randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: >In article <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes... > >>Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN >Gary, >You know what makes all this not particularly believable? >The fact that with all this stuff "the government" is supposedly doing to you, >you just hang around and take it. If it were me, I'd have gotten my butt far, >far away from here if I thought "the government" was replacing the whole >country with clones, or if they were throwing me in and out of mental hospitals >every other day. BTW, try paying your phone bill. You'll probably have much >less problems with the phones. >-Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com ***** Call me stupid. Call me ignorant. But don't call me crazy please. I TRIED to live my life, as all Americans should be entitled to and supposedly are granted by the Constitution. I guess I believed in this country too much for my own good. BTW, my parents pay the phone bills here. I'm afraid that's NOT the trouble with the lines!! -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9230 alt.conspiracy:18212 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: INVASION!!! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 17:07:17 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Summary: You think this is some kind of a JOKE??!! Keywords: aliens,clones,invasion,stollman Lines: 33 Some people on here still think I am kidding around or something! Listen, over 7 YEARS ago, when this all started, I went to Longo Totota in El Monte, Calif. here to haev my car fixed. I used one of the phones that were on the salesman's desks to call my parents store, without anyone's permission. About two seconds after my mom answered the phone, EVERY SINGLE PHONE in the dealership started ringing at the same time, one ring, then died. The salesmen couldn't pick them up fast enough, and were asking each other what the HELL was going on. I didn't have to ask. It has happened to me before. When I went to USC-ISI, the computer site in Marina Del Rey on the Arpanet, where I spent two years, day and night, in 1977-79, in 1986, and made a call from Rick Shiffman's office (my mentor in the world of the Arpanet) to the pharmacy, EVERY single phone started ringing, then stopped. When I called Joan two months ago from a pay phone at UCLA, the pay phone next to me started ringing. I picked it up, and a guy started talking Spanish at a fast clip. He obviously had gotten connected to the wrong number somehow. This was NOT an unrelated incident, I'm afraid! Every time I go to a pay phone here in LA, the pay phones next to me all start ringing when I call the store. Also, there is some kind of SERIOUS interference when you try to call information. When I call from a pay phone, I mean. When I call from MY phone, I hear a recorded voice of an operator, and then a DIFFERENT operator takes over!! It is time to get out the guns, I'm afraid. And I don't even believe in the wretched things! -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!parsifal.umkc.edu!vax1.umkc.edu!dprebyl Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: CATS FROM OUTER SPACE! Message-ID: <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:47:26 GMT Sender: root@parsifal.umkc.edu (Parsifal Administration) References: <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org> Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City Lines: 17 In article <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org>, bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes: > Recently i viewed a walt disney movie called THE CAT FROM OUTER SPACE. > I heard from a friend that this was a TRUE story, found out about by > walt disney from sources, so maybe next time you see a cat, it might > be an alien visitor.. hmmmm... meow > GET REAL...NEXT YOU'LL BE SAYING THAT THE LITTLE AMEBOID SCUM(OR WHATEVER THEY ARE) ON OUR SKIN ARE ACTUALLY ALIEN VISITOR. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT THE CUTE, FURRY DECESDENTS OF THE GREAT CATS(IF YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION) ARE ACTUALLY OUR WORST ENEMY JUST WAITING FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT TO SUCK OUR BREATH OUT WHEN WE'RE ASLEEP AND CONQUER THE WORLD. THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WALT DISNEY WOULD HAVE IS HIS IMGINATION(WHICH IS NOT A BAD SOURCE--BUT IT IS INVALID HERE). AND ANOTHER THING...DIDN'T THAT CAT IN THE MOVIE WEAR SOMETHING(A NECKLACE--IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I SEEN THE MOVIE)ANYWAY HOW MANY CATS DO YOU SEE THAT WEAR NECKLACES OR WHATEVER??!! Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: Ho Hum. Message-ID: <1992Sep8.164601.25064@ntb.ch> Followup-To: God Keywords: God / Hate Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <18580.2aa921a9@levels.unisa.edu.au> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:46:01 GMT Lines: 45 John's talking about what Frank says Frank: ... God is available to us all by reading the Words of Jesus, praying and helping others. God is not a God of hate.. John: Er... Try reading Leviticus 18:22 (Good News Bible, New English Version) where it says that he hates poofs; or are you going to be one of those Pauline Grace V Levitical Law twerps as in alt.atheism? Is the OT God a different entity to the NT God? Exactly. That's the whole point. (Except that the OT entity is a figment of someone's imagination.) I certainly don't go along with everything that Frank says, but here he is absolutely correct. This is exactly what Jesus came to tell everyone. He said, "Look our people got it wrong. God loves us all." But the Jews of those days just couldn't accept it. He couldn't say to people who were in a real bad way:"There's no such thing as sin", so he told them that their "sins were forgiven them". Even his disciples tried to interpret what he said according to Jewish tradition. The OT has got very little to do with Christianity. I think the "Christian Church" tries to make a compromise, doesn't it? Maybe not. (I'm not a member.) It's got nothing to do with ETs, but we are all sons and daughters of God, and he loves us *all*. Just because some old "prophet" goes around writing about the "wrath" of God doesn't mean it's true. Quoting the Bible doesn't *prove* anything. You may just as well believe what I say if I say I'm a prophet! (Or will you let me quote from "A Course In Miracles"?) What's so special about the Bible anyway? It's just a set of "books" selected (and edited) by a group of old fellows back in the 4th Century. If you look carefully, it's sometimes easy to see where someone's "interpreted" what Jesus said, or something that has depth. I believe even the NT was written down more than two generations after J's death? May God bless you all, my brothers (and sisters)! Paul. Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!news.mentorg.com!news From: tom_repasky@mentorg.com Subject: Why are aliens "bad" Sender: news@news.mentorg.com (News User) Message-ID: <1992Sep08.183720.3478@news.mentorg.com> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 18:37:20 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 147.34.4.19 Organization: Information Services Lines: 32 Howdy, A few questions. Why are most of the aliens presented here (blacks, greys, etc.) not nice ? Is this 1950s all over again ? Why has no one contacted the aliens that gave (give) birth (life) to the greys and blacks etc. ? Assuming the age of this universe to be ~16 billion years. And life on Earth is < 4 billion years. Human kind < 40,000 years. It seems very reasonable to me that life forms on other planets should have evolved far beyond human kind and most likely far beyond the greys and blacks that are still rutting in the dirt of life. I find the discourse in this group is mostly focused on n+1 principles. That is they ( greys & blacks) are + evolved compared to earth humans. As earth humans are + evolved compared to single cell life. This of course forces the greys and blacks to be - evolved compared to the "higher" race. Personally, I believe, molecular domains have long been inhabited by intelligence far beyond that of humans, greys or blacks. Those that inhabit the molecular domains are poised to act when a being in either the chemical or electrical domains is able to communicate. Gary, your stories (experiences) are great. However, it is a life I would not prefer to inhabit. Its hard to leave when you are already home. Tom Repasky If this is about alien visitors, why are they Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!warwick!mrccrc!mrccrc!sgamble From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ? Keywords: spiritual growth Message-ID: <1992Sep3.095354.16024@crc.ac.uk> Date: 3 Sep 92 09:53:54 GMT References: <1992Sep2.013526.15608@newsroom.utas.edu.au> <1992Sep2.140348.6940@ntb.ch> Sender: news@crc.ac.uk Reply-To: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: germanium Harri Personen writes about two newspaper reports of UFO sightings from Finland. I have a number of questions. 1. Does anybody know the dates of the incidents (?Harri) 2. Mention is made that at least one of the incidents is being investigated by 'UFO experts'. Any idea who these experts are? Are the members of a UFO organisation, if so which? 3. Has there been any follow-up reports, conclusions to the investigation etc. Steve -- (Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!) Steve Gamble, Computing Services, Clinical Research Centre and Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK. Phone: +44 81 869 3293 JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!gossip.pyramid.com!olivea!decwrl!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!est.enet.dec.com!randolph From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Siriusly.... Message-ID: <1992Sep8.145206.7999@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: 8 Sep 92 17:41:02 GMT References: Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 14 In article , chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari) writes... >Any opinions on the book "The Sirius Mystery" by R.K. Temple???? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR STINKINESS TO YOURSELF????? >R.H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's rubbish. Nothing the Dogon people knew about was unknown to mankind at the time they were anthropologically investigated. In fact, there's some evidence of bad astronomical data being passed to them, data which has since been proven wrong. -Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!jbk4 Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:22:25 EDT From: Message-ID: <92252.162225JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- References: <1992Sep8.030008.1477@nmsu.edu> Lines: 17 In article , anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) says: > >In any case, the "sudden rush" to do the commercials *can* be explained >without resorting to conspiracy theories. Until such time as contradictory >evidence is available, I'll stick with the simple explanation: Savvy >advertising agencies capitalizing on a trend. > >>gdavis@NMSU.edu And if nothing else we can at least agree to disagree!! >-- > >Anson Kennedy m >anson@netcom.co When you think you see conspiracy behind every corner, it isn't usually there. But by the time you find the evidence you're looking for, it's too late. JK Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!sunova!ireland!rocko From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary) Subject: Re: CATS FROM OUTER SPACE! Message-ID: <1992Sep8.214618.17333@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: rocko@ireland (Rick O'leary) Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.3.8.49 Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory References: <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org> <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:46:18 GMT Lines: 55 In article <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu writes: |> In article <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org>, bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes: |> > Recently i viewed a walt disney movie called THE CAT FROM OUTER SPACE. |> > I heard from a friend that this was a TRUE story, found out about by |> > walt disney from sources, so maybe next time you see a cat, it might |> > be an alien visitor.. hmmmm... meow |> > |> GET REAL...NEXT YOU'LL BE SAYING THAT THE LITTLE AMEBOID SCUM(OR WHATEVER THEY |> ARE) ON OUR SKIN ARE ACTUALLY ALIEN VISITOR. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M |> PERFECTLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT THE CUTE, FURRY DECESDENTS OF THE GREAT |> CATS(IF YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION) ARE ACTUALLY OUR WORST ENEMY JUST WAITING |> FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT TO SUCK OUR BREATH OUT WHEN WE'RE ASLEEP AND CONQUER THE |> WORLD. |> |> THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WALT DISNEY WOULD HAVE IS HIS IMGINATION(WHICH IS NOT |> A BAD SOURCE--BUT IT IS INVALID HERE). AND ANOTHER THING...DIDN'T THAT CAT |> IN THE MOVIE WEAR SOMETHING(A NECKLACE--IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I SEEN THE |> MOVIE)ANYWAY HOW MANY CATS DO YOU SEE THAT WEAR NECKLACES OR WHATEVER??!! Hey, Bone head, Stop screaming. We can see you think the other nut was for real, but really; must you yell so loud? love and kisses Rocko * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **** * ** **** ** ** ******* **** ***** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ******* ** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* * ** *** *** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* ** *** ******* ****** ** **** @@@@@@@ @ @@@@ @@ @@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ **** **** ** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ **** *** *** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _ ************** _ @@@ @ @@@@@@ @ @@ @ @@@ @@@@@@ \\________________// @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \________________/ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \ / __ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _|____| (_) \ @ @@@@@@@ @ @ @ @ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ {______(_)- \ \_____ {_______(_) ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** {______(_) ******** ******** ******** ******** *** ** {_____( ) /______ ** ** ** ** ** **** ** \| |_____/ ******* **** ** **** ** ** **** | | ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *** | | ******** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ~~~~ ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9238 alt.conspiracy:18220 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!peora!tarpit!tous!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Subject: FILE: MILTON WILLIAM COOPER - Letter (LONG -39K) Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:41:17 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep8.184117.17@bilver.uucp> Lines: 754 This is a letter that Bill Cooper's stooge, Timmy Bennett posted to the Fido UFO echo about 2 years ago. Cooper's letter was in response to remarks made by George Knapp during Knapp's interview of Bob Lazar. Knapp had earlier remarked that "Cooper wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bit him on the ass." I've taken the liberty of cat'ing together both Bill English's and Mike Corbin's responses as they appeared on the Fido UFO echo right after this letter was posted. During this time, the original moderator of the echo, George Adam Stanislav was on vacation, so the echo ended up being just like the alt* newsgroups on Usenet..which is to say, that it was a free-for-all. It's my belief that because of the brouhaha that ensued during this period and all the charges that went flying about "who is a Govt agent", that it prompted Don Ecker to wrote his "Whistleblowers" piece on William Milton Cooper in the summer editions of UFO Magazine in 1990. In my opinion, Don did the definitive expose' on Cooper and I would highly recommend the articles that he wrote to anyone. Unfortunately, I don't have UFO Magazine's current address, but perhaps Mike Corbin who regularly reads this newsgroup may be able to post it. I post this every so often on the Fido UFO echo because of the continuous influx of "UFO newbies" who happen upon the standard Cooper text files available on many BBS's worldwide and who, believe every word of the text as the Gospel Truth. My opinion of the Cooper files is that if there's *any* grains of truth found in them it's largely because he's plagiarized them from other sources without giving due credit. Please notice I said "grains" of truth, as you will eat LOTS of rock salt before you arrive at the "grains". I would caution anyone getting into the Cooper material to take EXTREME CARE regarding his claims. Please note that "Uncle Milty" is awfully shifty when it comes down to his declarations on "MAJIC" , "MAJESTIC-12" and "MAJORITY-12" . Also bear in mind that this is the _same_ guy that claims that it was Greer (JFK's driver) that delivered the "killing shot" to JFK and who has made TONS of bucks fleecing the general public at his conventions selling poor quality and highly dubious versions of the Zapruder film. This is also the same guy that made claims to having seen the "Krill" files when Bill English put that LIE to rest a couple of years back. As a "bonus", I will tack on Bill English's own explanation on the "Krill" files at the end of this article. At any rate, and without further ado, I present a small slice of "Uncle Milty"... **** Begin Bill Cooper Letter via Timmy Bennett ************************ Message #8941 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:47 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp OPEN LETTER by Bill Cooper- TO MIKE CORBIN, GEORGE KNAPP, BILL MOORE, AND JOHN LEAR. I have been expecting the government to launch an attack designed to discredit me for 2 years and I have publicly stated that I expected this to happen. It has finally happened and what a relief. The governments cannon only went ....POOF.... It seems that all the buzzards except Moore and Friedman have gathered in Las Vegas. How convenient can it be? Mike Corbin, the all mighty high dictator of Paranet, has just this week posted a crippled and weak attack leveled against me by himself and George Knapp, Lear's man in television and the only journalist alive who would go out on a limb to support the phony story of Bob Lazar. As usual Mike Corbin and George Knapp did not bother to do any checking whatsoever to see if their ranting and raving could hold any water. Of course that is the usual policy of paranet and it is expected. It is not the policy of journalists, however, and George Knapp should have checked with me. If he was afraid to call me he could have just called my board and checked the facts for himself. It is George Knapp who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass and it is Lazar and Lear who are liars and frauds. The Lazar story was reported to CAJI by a source in Las Vegas who stated that "Lazar had been arrested". The source was a man named Cory, a close friend of John Lear. Did he do it to set me up? I posted it in the newsletter. I then asked a member of CAJI to check the story for me and report the "facts". This was done and the story in the newsletter was changed to read that "Lazar was accused" only a few hours later and that is the way the story has been posted ever since as you can see since it is still posted. The members of this board can attest to that. Another source verified the story and all 3 mentioned that Bob Lazar has been accused of running a drug lab. Since these 3 people stated that Lazar was accused of running a drug lab I included it in the story. Since they stand by their statement I stand by the story. I wish to make it known at this point that John Lear told me that Lazar had a speed lab somewhere. Since I knew he had a jet car I thought he mean't something to do with the car. I did not make the REAL connection with that statement until Cory and others phoned the story to me. Two other people have stated to me that Lear told them that Lazar had a drug lab. I knew about the prostitution involvement a long time ago when at Lear's home I witnessed Lear, drunk as a skunk, call Lazar and ask him to send a hooker over. Lear asked us if we wanted a hooker. I told him not no, but hell no. The others present also declined. About an hour later a hooker showed up and lear and the girl disappeared for a while and then they came back. I did not see what transpired between them. There were 4 other people present besides me. She bummed cigarettes off of everone and chain smoked them until there were no more left among us and then she pulled out her own pack. John Lear paid her a wad of money and she left. All of us present were angry and embarrassed by Lear's behavior. Lazar sent her over and we all heard Lear make the call. Lazar and Lear are the end of George Knapp's career unless Knapp gets wise real fast and I mean real fast. I'm not the only one ready to spill the beans on Lazar and Lear. Message #8942 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:48 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd. Replies : -> #8943 You had better believe that I would never post this story if there had not been 4 other witnesses. Lear and Knapp have left me no choice. I have many more tales to tell and will not hesitate if I am forced to do it. I told Lear a long time ago (June 1989 to be exact) that he was safe as long as he didn't try to get any wilder with his story or try to mess with me. At that time I believed that he was doing more good than harm even though I knew he was Condor and was CIA all the way. That same weekend I was forced to remove a loaded, cocked, 45 cal. automatic pistol from Lear's possession after he placed it against his temple and threatened suicide. I did it once in the morning when we were alone and again the same evening in front of 5 others who witnessed the event. John pretended to be despondent because he was to much of a coward to sign his name to the "INDICTMENT" that I sent to Congress. I was not afraid John would kill himself. I was afraid he would kill me or someone else during the course of his ACT and it was an act. A stupid act and nothing else. I was not fooled but I kept the pistol for several days and still have the round that I removed from the chamber. I will name the witnesses if it becomes necessary. In case you have not learned anything yet let me assure you that you had better not screw around with me unless you are willing to go all the way to the wall and beyond because I'm ready to die to get to the bottom of this and force the truth out of the government. The preponderance of government agents involved in this and the fact that everything that I saw, and only what I saw, leaked, makes me believe that the technology is real (saw a craft with my own eyes) but aliens may be a complete fantasy. Aliens may be needed to create a new world order. No more Soviet enemy? Here is a threat from outer space. I feel used. I am very angry. I saw exactly what I said and more. Not only that but they have taken great pains to make sure I could see the same documents again just recently. Either the information I saw is absolutely correct or the government (with the help of Moore, Lear, Doty, Lazar, Friedman, Shandera, etc.) has created the greatest hoax in history in order to bring down national boundarys and ring in a one world government. I have uncovered the fact that an inventor made a saucer that flew in the 50's without alien help. I still believe that the information I saw between 1970 and 1973 is correct but I am now open to the possibility that I may have been used. I assure you that I will not be used again. The truth WILL come out. Lear's involvement with George Green and the Phoenix Journals to try to discredit me is what his phone recording is all about. I told him in June 1989 not to try any funny business with me and that is what the call was all about. He tried to help the great con the Phoenix Journals discredit me and I told him as a result that "I would crucify him". I have done that by finally releasing the information that he is Condor and as Condor has been working very closely with Moore, Shandera, Friedman, Doty, and others. I will continue to crucify him at any and every opportunity. I will also crucify anyone else who stands up against truth on this battle field. Message #8943 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:49 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd. Replies : #8942 <--> #8944 Ask him to play the entire tape and not just part of it out of context and you will see that this is the truth. He probably won't do it but you can try anyway. I have stated on many occassions that this is a war and I will act accordingly. The Stacy Borland story was reported to me by many people who called me by phone. I confirmed the story through a Las Vegas Psychologist. I repeat I received many phone calls all telling the same story regarding Stacy Borland. Whether she was murdered on a Saturday or on a Wednesday the next day or three weeks later has nothing to do with the subject of the story. The subject of the story was that a rumor floats around Las Vegas that someone from the test site gives Borland some documents, she is killed, Grace takes her place and members report that he is writing their names on what appears to be government forms labeled CONFIDENTIAL. Try as you might to cover up the important facts but you won't succeed. It is my opinion that she was given documents and that your group or the people you work for killed her. I know that MAJESTY TWELVE (also known as MAJORITY TWELVE) has killed before and most probably will kill again. Moore and Lear work for them. George Knapp states in his letter to Corbin that John Grace was appointed to take over the contactee group. The members of the group who have called me expressed anger and concern that his assumption of the leadership was totally against the wishes of the members. In fact if the reports are correct some of the groups members have left the group over this issue. Just exactly who appointed Grace over the protest of the members? Is it a democratic group or a Nazi group? I understand from the many calls that I have received that the members are not happy with the situation and the group is splintered. Cory and Jeff are only 2 of the sources for this information but both are friends of Lear's. Are they telling me the truth or is Lear setting me up? I believe they have told the truth as they knew it in every case. George Knapp really screwed up when he implied that I accused John Grace of murder. That is an outright lie. George Knapp is a liar. I said no such thing anywhere in the story (he calls himself a journalist?). I reported what was told to me by many sources and all that is required of a journalist is 2 sources. I am not a journalist and I did a better job than both Mike Corbin and George Knapp have done so far. Here are the facts. William Moore is a self confessed agent. No one can deny that. Only fools listen to Moore now. HE CONFESSED. Do you hear that George? Are you a fool or do you work for them? George Knapp you knew that Moore was a self confessed agent and you still used him in your series and in your 2 hour special. Why? During the 2 hour special you presented Moore as a credible prominent researcher. You made no mention that Moore had doctored documents and had admitted it. No mention was made that Moore had engaged in lying and passing out disinformation to other researchers. No mention was made that Moore had confessed to being an agent for an intelligence agency. You did not mention that Moore spied on researchers and submitted reports to his controller. Message #8944 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:50 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd. Replies : #8943 <--> #8945 WHY? Thats about the worst kind of journalism. It's irresponsible and it sucks. It says a lot about George Knapp. Why did George Knapp, experienced and hardened journalist, promote the Lazar story when every rule of journalism says not to do it. Why did Knapp swallow it hook line and sinker when the only thing backing Lazar up was his name in a phone book? Why did Knapp do everything short of jumping off a cliff to get the public to believe Lazar, even say on the air that he, Knapp, believed Lazar? That is something that no good journalist would ever do and is guaranteed to fetch a failing grade in any journalism class. I'll tell you why. George wasn't out to do good journalism. George Knapp, in my opinion, was either taken in by Lear or he works with Lear, Moore, Lazar, Friedman, Doty, Shandera, etc. Which is it George? There is more to George Knapp than meets the eye. He has a vested interest in attacking me. If I am right it could cost him his job and I guarantee you that I am right about both Lazar and Lear. Lazar is a fake and Lear is Condor. If Lear is Condor then that makes fools of everyone. No one likes to be a fool but most UFOlogists are exactly that. I keep saying to DO RESEARCH, TO INVESTIGATE, but no one does it. They just sit around and call each other names. You had better remember that I was the Executive Director of a College that taught security and law enforcement courses. Many of my faculty members were sargeants and leutenants on the police force. My personal bodyguard was the head of that department. I was also a member of Naval Security and Intelligence. Both Lear and Doty were easy to identify. A scrambled voice can be unscrambled. Didn't know that did you. I not only knew it but did it. I also had a voice print analysis done. The voice is John Lear's. You all think a man photographed in shadow is invisible don't you. Well, he is not. Try body measurement proportion comparison. In other words take a picture of John Lear and in the same pose as Condor and with the same body angle. Its easy as it is the normal posture of john Lear. The picture does not have to be to the same scale. I have several of him sitting and talking in the exact same position and the same angle. Take as many body measurements as you can and then compare them to each other. The more measurements and the more comparisons you can make the more positive the identification will be. I was able to make 19 different measurements and many times as many comparisons. Then do the same on the man in the shadow. THE VOICE IS JOHN LEAR AND THE BODY MEASUREMENT PROPORTION COMPARISONS MATCHED PERFECTLY IN EVERY INSTANCE. It's really very easy. Anyone can master the technique. You will only have to fork out money for the voice print analysis. Most of you are to cheap to do it and George Knapp has a vested interest in AVOIDING IT AT ALL COSTS. I challenge George Knapp to stop taking Lear's word that he is not Condor and do some real investigative reporting. Lear insists that Condor is Bob Collins. Bob Collins physic is no where near Condor's but Lear fits perfectly. Get wise Knapp your whole life is on the line here. Do you work for Lear or what? Are you part of the awareness group too? Are you a traitor? Message #8945 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:51 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd. Replies : #8944 <- I have known that Lear is an agent ever since February of 1972 and I have confided that in not 1 or 2 people but in probably 12 or 13 people and maybe more than that over the last several years. I am sure that most of them will confirm it if the need arises. Bob Swan also knows it. In the "Secret Government" I stated that I saw Moore, Friedman, and Maccabee on a list of agents to be recruited ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHERS THAT I DID NOT NAME AND IT IS STATED IN THAT PAPER. I told Lear that I saw his name on the list several days before MUFON. My wife was present and heard the entire conversation. Lear wasn't able to look me in the eye. The people helping him get MUFON organized wondered why I was not at Lear's home helping them and that is why. Lear stayed far away from me the whole time and even kept aloof from everyone else also. He was terrified that I would reveal him along with Moore, Friedman, and Maccabee. Lear gave himself away when he and Grace wrote the Krill papers. He is just like Moore. He throws truth mixed with lies out and then laughs at the public. Lear knows all about O.H. Krlll, the real one, and he got caught by me. O.H. Krlll exposed Lear not me. Anyone and everyone who has worked with this information knows he blew it. He honestly thought that no one else knew the truth. I played him just like I played Moore and I caught him just like I caught Moore. Lear KNOWS EVERYTHING. It's an old trick and Strieber is using it now with his book MAJESTIC. Now if anyone comes out with anything from GRUDGE about Forestall or the Roswell crash you will all say he stole it from Strieber. Sorry boys but it won't work anymore. People are sick of lies, deception and traitors and we are all sick of you. Lear showed me a copy of a 2 inch thick book written by employees of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory which is a very thorough parody of the "YELLOW BOOK". I pretended that I did not know what it was and Lear had a great time. I did recognize an old friend who works at Livermore Lab and it has turned out good for me. The friend is one who put together a ......... trip to the ........ of the ............. ............ of the ...... and I helped him prepare. Filling in the blanks would reveal his identity. I told Lear at the time that I knew one of the authors of the parody. The man owed me. Since his name was in the parody I knew that he had seen the real "YELLOW BOOK". That knowledge has been very useful. THIS CONCLUDES MY EXCERPT OF BILL COOPER'S ANSWER. IT SHOULD PROVIDE THE ANSWER TO MEALY MOUTHS WHO STAND IN THE CORNER AND TRY TO DISCREDIT PERSONS WITH HONEST OPINIONS. THERE ARE ALSO ENOUGFH FACTS CONTAINED IN THESE WORDS TO THOROUGHLY CHECK OUT THE SIMPS WHO ARE TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER EVERYBODY'S EYES. CIAOU!!!!! T.S. ******* End of Cooper Letter ******************************************* ******* Begin English-->>Cooper response ******************************* Message #7110 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 15:01 From: Bill English To: All Subj: Bill Cooper Well....what do you say about someone who is obviously mentally deranged? Hmmm...Bill Cooper has quite literally gone too far this time. In fact farther than he has ever gone before, which is unfortunate because at one time I had a certain amount of respect for the man. Now all I can honestly say I feel is pity and a certain amount shame. Not for myself mind you, but for Cooper's continuing to embarass himself and show just how ill he really apparently is. Bill needs help...I am sure that the majority of you who have followed the Cooper saga will agree that at one point it seemed that there may have been a certain amount of truth to what he was saying, but over a period of time it became apparent that his were the ravings of a man caught in the throes of a severe and debilitating ilness that has gone out of control. Those of you who know me, know that I never hesitate to speak my mind. Sometimes to the dismay of my friends who attempt to keep me in check when I become extremely upset over an issue that I feel passionately about, and many are the times when my friends accuse me of being a loose cannon. But in all honesty I don't think any of them can say that I have ever tried to deliver as facts the kind of stuff that keeps issuing forth from Cooper. This last tirade of his on the Echo has gone beyond the bounds of propriety, but in all fairness to Cooper we have to remember that this message that we have read here in the echo was not loaded here by Cooper. Apparently the message was placed on Cooper's own BBS and our good friend T.S. Bennett took it upon himself to load it into the FidoUFO Echo. So to a certain extent Bill Cooper is as much a victim as those that he seems intent upon accusing. BUT THAT STILL DOES NOT EXCUSE HIM! Although I have not had much contact with John Lear since the 1989 MUFON conference in Las Vegas, I like to think of John as a friend since it was his encouragement that brought me out of hiding two years ago, and back into active research. During the course of our friendship I have come to know and understand a little bit about John and what motivates him for the most part in his research and work. I also know and sympathise with him over the difficulties that he has encountered while trying to continue that work. And so that you understand that I am not trying to patronize him, I do not necessarily agree with everything that he says, but only because I have not devoted enough time to researching nor studying his work or findings. But I do respect him. And because of the limited knowledge that I do have of him, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt the Cooper's charges and allegations are the most ridiculous that I have ever heard him come out with. I have met John's wife and kids, and I have seen John's devotion to them. The allegation that John would call a whore to come out to his home, and that he supposedly did it with a number of witnesses there in the room. HORSESHIT! I cannot speak to the charges concerning Bob Lazar, nor can I speak to the charges made by Cooper about George Knapp. I have spoken to Knapp very briefly concerning the open letter by Cooper, and his response is to say the least, was less than complimentary toward Cooper. My refusal to speak to these charges comes not from any animousity toward these gentlemen, but more because I understand that in Mr. Lazar's case there are issues that we are not fully aware of, and that these issues must become evident before a final opinion or analysis can be made. This does not mean that I am taking a position re: the Lazar case, nor am I taking a position with regard to John Lear's material nor his hypothesis. I am however taking a position with regards to Bill Cooper. It is my opinion, based upon my own knowledge and experiences, which have been documented, and which I have said from the very beginning could well be mis-information, that Mr. Milton William Cooper has never seen ANY documentation similar to or the same as that documentation I claimed to have seen in the form of Grudge/Blue Book Report #13. It is further my opinion that Mr. Cooper having read "Bill Steinman's Book, UFO Crash at Aztec" and appendix number 7 in which I play a prominent part, believed that he could lay claim to having seen the same material --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14) Message #7111 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 15:24 From: Bill English To: All Subj: Bill Cooper/part2 without fear of being refuted since it was believed at the time of the books writing, that I was dead, and that they would be know one who could be qualified to refute his claims. It is further my opinion and belief that when it became apparent to a great many people, John Lear being the first to realise this, that Bill Cooper was a fraud, he immediately went on the attack attempting to discredit these same individuals with false statements, that were designed to bring into question their moral turpitude and standards, and their voracity. Additionally he began to take a very tragic death of a person well respected in the Field of UFO research, and subvert it from it true and tragic nature to the point of accusing government involvement and the involvement of those individuals who in point of fact were on his list of enemies. Among them John Lear, Mike Corbin, George Knapp and several others. I personally have proven Bill Cooper to be a liar. I proved this on the Billy Goodman Radio show when after Cooper got on the show and attacked me personally, accusing me of having called him and telling him that someone tried to kill me upon my return trip from the 1989 MUFON convention in Las Vegas, Billy invited me to appear on his show to present my evidence. During the course of Cooper's diatribe he stated that Len Stringfield and I appeared together on a radio show and that Len confronted me with this and I denied it. When I appeared on the Goodman show, I knew that Cooper would call and try to discredit me further, but I was ready for him. Prior to appearing on the show, I contacted Len Stringfield, whom I have known for sometime, and asked him to send a signed notarised statement which refuted everything Cooper had said. When Cooper called he re-interated everything he had said previously and then I had Goodman open the envelope that I had sent him containing the statement and had him read it on the air. The Statement refuted everything that Cooper had said. Ladies and gentlemen, I realise that the echos are not the place for this kind of thing, but it is my feeling and opinion that you should be made aware of certain facts concerning the players of this drama. Based on my own knowledge, and based on my own personal experiences Cooper is a danger to the serious research of Aerial Phenomenon and all of it's related fields. He tries to cause panic and fear based upon half truths and out and out lies..the public loves to be scared and this is something that he is aware of and is constantly capitalising on. Just recently he appeared in Scottsdale Arizona to give a speech and during the course of that speech came out with the statement that John Lear was Bill Moore's Falcon on that "UFO cover-up Live" travesty. What utter horse shit! If ever there was a disinformation agent in our midst, it's Bill Cooper! I remain Respectfully yours, Bill English --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14) Message #7112 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 17:50 From: Bill English To: Bill Cooper Subj: YOU ARE A DANGER Bill, you've gone too far this time..It has become apparent that you are in serious need of professional help of some type. The charges and allegations that you have leveled are absolute hog wash. You say you have witnesses? Trot them out sir! Or is this like the tape that you were supposed to have had of me calling you while I was intoxicated. I gave you every opportunity to trot that out and play it on Adventure Radio, even to the point of signing a release giving you permission to do so, so that you could prove that I was a drunkard and a liar. Instead sir you neither produced the tape nor did you appear on the Radio Show the following night. Several weeks later I appeared on Billy Goodman's Radio Show knowing full well that you would call to try and salvage what little reputation you had. I burned you there on that one by producing a sworn affidavit from Len Stringfield stating that none of what you had claimed previously on his show was true, thereby proving you to be a liar once again. What galls me more than anything is the fact that I keep nailing you and you keep trying to drag everyone else down with you thinking that nobody sees what is happening. Bill it is my considered opinion and feeling that you are in serious need of help, and that YOU are the disinformation agent here, and that you are jeopardizing the serious work and research that the rest of us are trying to do by creating a negative public image of the whole field. The difference between me and John and the rest of those that you have name in you horse-shit allegations is the fact that they seem to just consider the source and blow it off, while I will go for the eggs and you know it...Want to go for round three??? I'm ready and waiting...BTW Bill, when you went AWOL for eight days in Hawaii what was the reason...were you on a drunken binge or what? Bill English --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14) ****** End of English-->Cooper response ******************************* ****** Begin Corbin/Paranet-->>Cooper response ************************ Message #6768 "UFO" Date: 19-May-90 18:19 From: Michael Corbin To: All Subj: T.S. Bennett To All: In the absence of the echo moderator, George Adam Stanislav, who, in my opinion, is doing a poor job of moderating this conference, I wanted to get a few things clear regarding the incoherent and attacking messages that have been posted by T.S. Bennett, a person who is in the service of William Cooper. It is truly a shame that Mr. Bennett and Mr. Cooper have to use this echo as a stage for the attack against ParaNet. It has absolutely nothing to do with the good people that use this conference, and I apologize for the inconvenience that it has caused to all of you. As we all know, UFOlogy has suffered at the hands of people like Bill Cooper and T.S. Bennett, for if there opinions and research really did hold water, they would not have to hide behind a screen of beligerence and unrest to get their points across. After all, should the truth need any support or a sales pitch? NO! The truth stands on its own despite what you or I might say. And, despite what Mr. Cooper has said from the security of Mr. Bennett's skirt, ParaNet is not a belief system. We are a clearinghouse of information, and are comprised of skeptics and believers. That is the true beauty of ParaNet. We do not "censor" anyone who wishes to speak nor do we control information or the other things that have been told here in this echo. We are not "government agents." We are being censored in a fashion by the unreasonable attacks being leveled against us, and we are being kept from disclosing useful information to the general public by Mr. Bennett taking up precious echomail traffic by attacking everything we say or do. To set the record straight I wish to disclose the full reason that T.S. Bennett and his cohort, Bill Cooper were banned from ParaNet. Actually, part of the reason has already been disclosed in deeds as Mr. Bennett's postings speak for the record -- they are postings that are meaningless and cause disruption of the flow of normal traffic. They are attacking and state nothing in the way opinion, but are advanced as pure fact. When someone disagrees or asks for more information, they go off on a tangent of screaming that everyone against them is a government agent. ParaNet was the first network to break the MJ-12 story. We were the first public forum where Bill Cooper and John Lear came to distribute their information. Bill Cooper has stated publicly that he cannot prove none of his claims. He has also stated that we censored him by barring him from the network. Censoring, no -- Barring from the network, yes. Censoring implies that all information, opinions or facts are suppressed and not made public. This is a reasonable definition. ParaNet still carries the Bill Cooper material on its BBS network and has not stopped carrying it at anytime. Instead, we attempted to verify his information by making an independent investigation and by asking Bill to furnish more information. When discrepancies were encountered and Bill was presented with them, he launched into a barrage of attacking everyone on ParaNet that felt more information was needed. All useful discussion broke down into shouting matches and caused a serious problem for our users. After many requests by our users to do something, we warned Bill to cease his attacks. This only escalated them and we had to ban him from the network. This was not the only time. After many months, we allowed him back on and shortly after that Bill again denegrated the quality of the conference and we banned him again. This time it is for good. As for Mr. Bennett, we also had the same type of problem, only his infringement of policy could have caused a lawsuit for the network. He made an attack on Mr. English that was very libelous. However, this was after many warnings about posting advertisements that were not authorized and personal attacks against members of the network. None of the actions that have been taken against Cooper or Bennett have been unreasonable and without first, several attempts to rectify the situation. We also have a policy that deals with deliberate disinformation. ParaNet encourages the free exchange of opinions on its network. It is the mainstay of what our network is all about. However, when a person engages in the distribution of information that is patently false or unverifiable, we feel an obligation to the public to state so. We also will not tolerate any attacks against the U.S. Government that are without substance. We are Americans and damn proud of it. If there is anything that needs to be corrected, we have the methodology as prescribed by the Constitution of the United States to do it. Our ancestors have fought for this protection. There are avenues also available to us through Congress and other means that are prescribed by law to get access to UFO information. Anything not obtained legally is not of interest to us. We must engage in critical thinking regarding the UFO phenomenon and must not allow ourselves to be taken in by all of the "conspiratorial material" that is so prevalent today. Until there is evidence of what these guys are claiming to be fact, I will not personally subscribe to it. In closing, ParaNet is a public service. There has never been a more UFO oriented electronic network like it. Our credibility is high as is our reliability. When you read something on ParaNet, you can be assured that it was checked out and verified to the extent possible. If it cannot be verified, we make no bones about it -- we tell everyone. I would heartily suggest that we get on with business and make our protestations known to the echo moderator that we are tired of this senseless assault from Cooper and Bennett. I am preparing to file a formal complaint within FidoNet against Mr. Moderator and the BBS which has allowed Bennett unrestricted access to the conference until he can clean up his act and behave like an adult. If he has something of value to say against ParaNet, I am prepared to meet him toe-to-toe to answer any and all allegations. ParaNet is preparing a file regarding the Cooper material. We will be happy to post it for everyone to see. This file will contain all message exchanges between members of ParaNet and Bill Cooper up to the times that he was banned from the network. It is most interesting. Michael Corbin Administrator/Owner ParaNet Information Service --- ZMailQ 1.10 @1:30163/0.0 * Origin: ParaNet Omicron (sm) 717-588-7549 (1:268/102) ***** End Corbin/Paranet--->>Cooper response ******************************* ***** Begin English on Krill papers **************************************** (7245) Thu 21 Mar 91 10:55p By: Bill English To: All Re: Krill files St: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- During the past several weeks there have been a number of questions concerning the infamous "Krill Papers". At the advise of John Hicks (363/29) I am posting this information concerning the documents in question. 1) The "Krill Papers" were and are a fraud. John Lear and John Grace of Nevada authored these papers and uploaded them to a Paranet Board originally to see just how gullable the UFO investigative community really was. Much to the credit of Paranet and Mike Corbin, it was quickly determined that the documents were in fact fraudulent. As a result of this both John Lear and John Grace were barred from Paranet and several other UFO related Echos. While I don't agree with the methods employed by John, I do understand his reasoning for this. 2) In one respect the fraud perpetrated by John Lear and John Grace had the effect of proving that at least one so called researcher of of some renoun was in fact a fraud himself. I am of course refering to William Cooper. John was listening to Cooper give and interview to one of the local news media when he over heard Cooper state that while serving in the Navy he in fact viewed the Krill Papers. John approached and questioned Cooper about this knowing that the Krill Papers and the information in them was faked. Cooper stuck to his story and decided that John was his enemy. Especially after John pointed out to him that the Krill Papers were faked. As a result of this Cooper went on a rampage and did everything that he could to discredit Lear and several others. 3) For those of you just coming onto the UFO scene, it is imperative that you understand that one of the many problems that are inherent to the UFO research field is that information sometimes get spread out so quickly without proper dissemination. As a result of this it becomes factual without basis. PLEASE...PLEASE...don't take everything you read on these databases as being the absolute truth without first checking with others and most importantly checking your sources...We all get burned from time to time...including myself as evidenced by the SS433 fiasco. But we are the ones who some day may be looked upon as the true heroes of our time. At least I hope so..A lot of us have lost so much because of what we do here... Bill English *** End of file *********************************************************** Epilogue: This was over 2 years ago..since then, Bill English has disappeared from the public and pretty much given up on UFOlogy. I had the occasion to spend some time with him at his last speaking engagement at a UFO convention in Orlando, Fl in 1991. It's my opinion that Bill disappeared due to threats/coercion by the Govt lackeys who had managed to re-unite him with his first wife prior to his last speaking engagement. If any of you know of his story, then you would know that he was spirited away from his original family some years back by the Govt/military while he was on duty in England and was not allowed to talk or see them since his viewing of the sensitive "Grudge" materials. He had finally re-married and had kids prior to his last speaking engagement, and told me right before he came to Orlando that the Govt/military had brought over his *first* wife and family to re-unite him as he had not seen them in several years. My belief is that he was threatened, based upon what he told me and that the Orlando engagement was to be his last. Apparently it was, since we have not seen nor heard from him since. It's a tragic story. I understand now, that Bill Cooper no longer runs his CAJI BBS but is alledged to be involved with a satellite program now. Don -- -* Don Allen *- // Only | Tavistock + Esalen = "New Age" Internet: dona@bilver.uucp \X/ Amiga | Rothschild + Rockefeller = FED UUCP: .uunet!peora!bilver!vicstoy!dona | UN + Maitreya = "Twilight Zone" "A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free" - Thomas Jefferson Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9239 alt.conspiracy:18221 alt.native:1529 talk.religion.newage:11703 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.native,talk.religion.newage Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!peora!tarpit!tous!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Subject: FILE: Orvotron Newsletter Sept/Oct 92 - Part 1 Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:46:00 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep8.184600.183@bilver.uucp> Lines: 606 I'm forwarding to the listed newsgroups the following newsletter I received from the Spirit BBS, located on Stone Mountain, which is about 23 miles from Boone, North Carolina. I'm submitting this for your perusal. You be the judge :-) Posted in 2 parts. Filename: SEPOCT92.TXT ----------Begin included text------------------------------------------- SEPTEMBER - OCTOBER 1992 ORVOTRON BI-MONTHLY NEWSLETTER SOLINUS AND KORTRON Fido - 1:379/703 BBS - 704-297-5973 Greetings Ascending Star People. Energy on the planet is now reverberating in such a way that it is accelerating the plans within plans which effect all life on Earth. Those who are creating a negative reality on the planet and those contributing to this by adhering to fear and hopelessness are weakening the Love glue that is holding Earth together. All this confusion in the group mind is having an adverse effect on the planetary consciousness. This mind set is creating a sinister energy that eats at the cohesion holding the molecules of Earth together. The planet's need to get on with surface cleansing to eradicate this consciousness has sped up and thus shortened the time span within which the two polarities can align and be balanced. The intention behind the Light workers being here at this time is to create a new direction - one which will over-shadow old thinking and correct the long standing energy imbalance by replacing fear with love. It is our hope that many will awaken and become enlightened to the fact that "thought creates reality". The reality on this planet will not and cannot change to one based on positive thinking and love without the minds of its inhabitants rising above the illusionary veil which is pre- venting them from seeing who they are and what they are. We are created in God's image and in the "Love Vibration" we are co- creator gods with the power to make positive change in the Crea- tor's name. But, until this becomes a world wide conscious reality the negative forces who control this planet will continue to manipulate and control through deceit and lies keeping humani- ty veiled in ignorance, suffering and pain. This discordant energy is felt around the world as "dark psychic clouds" of impending doom. These are caused by a con- fused group mind which is unable to release fear and replace it with love. This energy is especially prevalent in densely populated areas where hopelessness and constant fear create resistance to change making it more difficult for the two ener- gies (polarities) to merge. In the final hour those who hold steadfast to fear will be effected in a much more drastic way, both within and without, than those who have heeded the warnings and fully accepted Love as the means to override the negative reality now controlling Earth. John Lennon, Buddy Holly and others who understood the power of love wrote songs that gained much popularity throughout the world. Their attempts to change the mass consciousness caused them to become targets of the secret government. Even though their songs of a world based in love are still popular their violent deaths are a reminder of the fear based reality many have become conditioned to accept. The constant repetition of scenes of violence, pain and suffering by the mass media create not only acceptance of this as a way of life but also pushes the concept into the planetary consciousness as more people become more tolerant of it as the norm. The secret government and the negative extraterrestrials plan is to control the human race through fear, and it is work- ing. Exposure of this plot and worldwide public outrage could change the course of events which are leading to the rapid ex- tinction of all life on this planet, but that too will fail if humanity does not turn to God and Love. The planet as a living, conscious entity is being victimized by the negative reality present on Earth. If people don't wake- up soon the planet's one remaining choice to set things straight will create the much dreaded, massive upheavals and the eradica- tion of a very large percentage of life on her surface. Ration- al and peaceful solutions to resolve this dilemma based on Broth- erly Love have been suggested by the positive extraterrestrials to every government of this planet. All these attempts have been rejected by the puppet governments controlled by the Zeta Rectil- uli who greatly fear their demise if Earth steps into fourth dimensional density. The positive, Love based reality of the larger extraterres- trial family of MAN is being brought to our attention in count- less ways. LOVE, as the means to reverse man's inhumanity to man and the planet is an individual decision and it is one way in which each of us can make a difference. As examples of this reality we not only change our individual lives but we also influence universal consciousness and help to balance the odds which are leaning in the other direction. After much deliberation the following message from the Hierarchy has been released. "Our existence must be acknowledged as a positive force for correct change. The Good ETs presence has been hidden by the governments of the world and our sugges- tions for correcting Earth's problems have been ignored. We now are reaching out to YOU, the people of Earth, to ask what you want to take place. We are holding together the Wheel of Life on your planet. In the past we have put many patches on your pla- net's Wheel of Life to prevent loss of life from occurring but now Earth herself has asked for release and those creating insan- ity on her surface. We have no choice but to present this to you, the people of Earth, in the hope you will once and for all come together in love as Sananda Jesus Christ taught. You now have but a short time left to stand up to all those who are creating the suffering on Earth or very soon we will withdraw our influence and allow Earth to fully heal and cleanse herself by whatever means are available to her. This process will eradicate ALL those creating the problems and also those who refuse to LIVE BY LOVE as a means of stopping the insane destruction of this world. You must overcome ALL passivity and inaction and immedi- ately start a reversal of the negative thoughts and deeds or the upheavals will soon commence more intensely than before." ( A Labor of Love ) Mother Earth's birthing process has begun in earnest and her contractions are more predictable. No one and no thing on this planet is exempt from experiencing the labor pains which will bring this planet into it's fourth dimensional body. As energy moves from one portion of the light grid system to another around the world those holding the intersecting lay points are experi- encing shifts of energy as it gains momentum through the vortex- es. These folks feel the fluctuations in their physical and mental bodies and sometimes it is much like riding a roller coaster in a raging lightening storm. This means that "holding the fort" has its ups and downs as the two polarities twist around each other causing change to occur. The only reference to this that comes to my mind is that of the white snake and the black snake coiled around each other in the final hour doing battle in progressively stepped up change. Perhaps those who have chosen to be in service ON the grid still need to learn things the hard way. Perhaps, they are espe- cially skilled for the job and volunteered to be of service in this manner. Or perhaps, it is a little of both. Which ever is the case, they have chosen to experience the transition, the metamorphosis of Earth, in a very dramatic way. The "highs" can be VERY high and the "lows" often leave one exhausted physically, mentally and emotionally. There are times of a deep sense of peace and harmony followed by times when EVERYTHING seems very erratic and difficult. There are periods of great physical stamina and activity but sometimes a great tiredness overrides all sense of duty. On occasion holding these points is a tire- some and lonely service that creates a desire to have a replace- ment sent in but none ever comes. Each of these many points around the world is a ray of color which, when merged together, will be the white light to which this planet is rising. The importance of protecting and anchor- ing the light at these points cannot be understated. We would like to dedicate this issue of our newsletter to all the souls around the world who are protecting the points on the grid. As you remain steadfast in the face of discordant energy and adjust and adapt as the planetary energy ebbs and flows remember you are well loved. Planetary changes are necessary and the great bal- ancing act the Light workers perform is an integral part of the Mission. Honor and love yourselves for the job you are doing is respected and you are well loved by the Hierarchy which is over- seeing the work and sacrifice you put forth for this planet. ( The Photon Belt ) Since we highlighted the Photon Belt information in our March\April, 1992 newsletter we have received many phone calls and letters raising questions about additional information that others were putting out regarding this phenomenon. You may have come across such items as an exact date for this event to occur or such fear-inducing additions as the resultant light will cause blindness. Fear not for this is not life threatening as some would have you believe. We did not give a date for the occur- rence of the Photon Belt as we did not receive one and have learned to be skeptical when exact times and dates are issued. Those in other realms who channel information to the third dimen- sion do not exist within a space/time continuum and therefore it would be unlikely they could give exact dates. Also, there is the possibility that this kind of knowledge would play right into the hands of those who would attempt to manipulate such events in order to prevent Earth's evolution to mansion world reality. Those of you who sense energy changes may have felt a rapid acceleration prior to the date forecast by others (July 26) at the time of the full moon in July. This was the first of three waves as we continue to enter the Photon Belt. We will say that a similar experience will occur in the latter part of this year or the beginning of next. In the future, rather than spinning your wheels in fear reacting to what another says is so, try expending the same amount of energy on creating a positive reali- ty with your thoughts based in LOVE. When our combined, loving thoughts merge the New will be the reality. The book "God I Am, From Tragic to Magic" by Peter O. Erbe, author of the Photon Belt material, is now available from New Leaf Distributing Co., 5425 Tulane Drive, Atlanta, GA 30336 (800/326-2665). We are told that delivery from Australia may six months, but this source has the book in stock. ( Thought - The Impetus For Creating a New Reality ) As we communicate with people from around the world we have become aware that many are feeling sorry for themselves or are angry at the Hierarchy because their circumstances do not seem to fit their idea of what one needs to serve in the Mission. These souls are limiting themselves by holding on to a stubborn atti- tude which is based primarily on old, social consciousness. When they limit themselves they also limit the progress of their part in the Mission and block what they need. Self pity and anger block the flow of energy. Positive thoughts and affirmations of abundance are keys to manifesting what is needed. Once the traps of stagnant thinking are released and re- placed by a different way of thinking a clearer, more positive reality will result. A future where creative energy manifests abundance for ALL can only occur if what we think and how we act is in accordance with the Law of ONE. Denying the need to change one's thoughts and actions is the reason many remain fixed in the same old circumstances with the same old complaints and frustra- tions. We are on a planet which is in a sea of change. We have the ability to assist and direct these events in a positive manner but we must be willing to be open to change, to cast aside old patterns of thinking and doing to make room for something different. A new consciousness will emerge and we will be able to just think our desired needs into existence, but we must first release our hold on all the old "tried but not true" methods. Solinus and I have been confronted by many obstacles as we attempt to accomplish what we are led to do. Often when we begin a project we have no idea how it will manifest but we have learned that what we need will come as long as our focus is on the bigger picture directed at the completion of the Mission. Our mundane, woe is me, little picture often gets in the way of the creative energy necessary to accomplish our intended goals. When this occurs we deal with these ego based obstructions as quickly as possible, release them to make room for the positive love vibration and resume the task at hand with renewed vigor. Our group mind can change things on Earth but first we must release old thinking patterns which are taking our power away from us and what we really are. The stuff of the New is precise- ly that - NEW!! Thought creates. It always has and it always will. It is up to us to provide others with actual examples. Not only do we hold ourselves back when we become frustrated and our task seems too great or the work too hard, but we also limit others who may be involved in the same goal. Separation in any part of a group endeavor becomes a hair line crack in our combined energy ball, our energy egg of thought. When one fal- ters it effects the others because ALL IS ONE. We must value our individual contributions and recognize the importance of each step taken toward completion of the Mission. To assume a self- sacrificing attitude serves no purpose. Think abundance, release it and KNOW it will come. We have stated before that focus and intent are very impor- tant but many feel that in order to create this or that one must also plug into a lot of energy and then hold on to it. "Ether" cannot create if it is held captive by our focus. Once a thought is created it must then be released in order to naturally mani- fest. Knowing that it WILL become a reality and then beginning to work toward the goal set will produce the desired result. Just think it, release it, and know that the next piece of the puzzle will then manifest in your life very soon. The less you fret about how to get it the easier the process becomes. We realize this may sound too easy, but who ever said it needs to be difficult? We didn't! If the amount of information and the number of new contacts that we are receiving is any indication of the size of the net- work, then we are pleased to say it is alive, well and growing. There is a constant flow of advertisements for new books, period- icals, techniques and devices, and new learning centers are cropping up around the world. It is a time of great sharing but also a time for discernment - a time to go within and search for our individual truths regarding what we read or hear from others. This also goes for what we communicate to you. We do not wish to be seen as gurus or all-knowing. Our intention is to share our truths and information which needs the focus of your positive, healthy energy in order to alter the course of events. ( The Money and Disinformation Game ) We have watched people as they are pulled in one direction or another in their search for The Truth. There are as many causes to support, publications to subscribe to and seminars to attend as there are people searching, and the resultant confusion is alarming. We have met many who have traveled across the country in search of The Truth, stopping here and there for answers which ultimately they will find only within themselves. The disinformation game is aimed at the gullible who have not yet learned discernment and they and their money are easy prey. Some schemes are intended to confuse and divert attention away from the real issues and needs. The ignorant, innocent and less aware often run helter skelter from one source to another absorbing information at a phenomenal rate, not knowing how to sort the "wheat from the chaff". Even some "informed" Light workers are quick to sway their support from one source to anoth- er. This too is cause for concern for in some cases the "real" work being done for the Mission becomes under supported and neglected, often leaving a project half-finished. This creates major gaps in a plan we ALL agreed to finish as part of the Mission. The diversions are many and it is imperative that we protect ourselves and our communications with our Spirit guidance with the White Light. Many do not yet understand how really important they are as a means to reverse the devious plans they are unsus- pectingly promoting. Without this protection many well inten- tioned souls will be easily manipulated into the traps of the forces of darkness created to ensnare them and involve them in projects of NO WORTH. Each and everyone one of us is special. The correct course for finding the answers and learning what we as individuals can contribute to the whole is meditation. Sur- round yourself in White Light then be silent, still and listen. Then do as directed. We must not forget we can balance negativity and create a world of love by thinking it right into existence in our own lives. This will make our contributions to changing the reality on this planet back to love more visible to others. Then the sleeping masses will awaken and see the road Home! If time is collapsing then only thought can create reality in a timeless existence. Each of us are special. No two are alike. We are rays or frequencies of coded, colored light which will merge to spawn living white light. No one needs to follow another. This is a trap of old thought, of conditioned social consciousness, designed to enslave us in false beliefs. In the word belief you can see the deceivers' method. It is the word LIE. Now is the time to listen, to hear your own inner voice, your true identity in the Divine Order of Spirit. In so doing many new things will become known to you. Only then can the veils covering your eyes from clear sight be lifted to show you who you are, what you are and why you are here. Let the sheep follow the sheppard but you, dear star seeds, must follow Spirit to bring Heaven to Earth. ( Update on the Pyramid ) The past few months have been spent attempting to make the pyramid water tight by sealing the wooden structure with wood protector and caulking cracks that were allowing water to seep through to the inside. This has not been an easy task on a building which is at a 42 degree angle and although much progress has been made there are still hidden places where rain manages to leak through. Hundreds of feet of flashing were used around the windows and many cases of caulk were consumed. We sprayed 31 gallons of wood sealant at a cost of almost fifteen bucks a gallon and even though we used face masks as protection our lungs were soon filled with these nasty ingredients. After much of this work was completed we were guided by Spirit to stain the outside of the building emerald green, the color of the ray of light it represents. We too were blue-green from head to toe for days but the end result is that the pyramid is quite beautiful. In September we plan to install the eleventh grid. This will enhance the stabilization work which is accomplished by the Star-to-Earth grid system. This is a very important part of the plan as our space brothers can then more accurately make adjust- ments to the grid to stabilize Earth changes which are rapidly accelerating. In November a special medicine wheel encircling the entire pyramid will be created. The purpose of this will be to resonate a healing energy to substantially off-set major Earth upheavals. These devices should not be misunderstood in their intended purposes. They are not meant to alter Mother Earth's cleansing efforts that must take place, but are meant to stabilize areas that are set aside for the survival of the seed which will re- populate the new world and those we came to help who will gradu- ate from a negative reality to one based on love. Our goal, once the outside is water tight is to get on with completing the inside so that we can comfortably host large gatherings with a focus on creating positive world change. The time when this building will do its intended, most profound work, nears. Will it be finished? In 1991 many people contributed in many ways to the beginning of this project, but this year few people have arrived to work and funds for the completion of the project have been sorely lacking. We have been forced to use our personal credit in order to obtain what was needed to protect what was accomplished last year. Changing direction does not fulfill any fruitful purpose. The completed building will help all of us accomplish our reason for being here - to raise this planet to the White Light. Every delay, from lack of hands doing to financial support gives the opposition time to turn the thumb screws a little tighter. Some of you understand what we are involved in and are accomplishing here. Others may think we are simply trying to construct a building for our own reasons. Nothing could be any further from the truth. We live in a large house but it is far from completion because we spend much of our time trying to finish the pyramid to complete our part of creating Heaven on Earth. Our efforts are juggled from one project to another, balancing time for visitors with answering the phone and ferret- ing out information to pass on to others. We volunteered to do the jobs we are doing but we also know others volunteered for the same Mission and it is those that we appeal to now. We are grateful to the many who have contributed to the effort for we have accomplished a lot, but our work is not finished and we need a concerted effort of team work, to complete the next phase so we can get on to other projects still on hold. ( Spirit Communication Network ) The bulletin board network used to distribute information is working nicely. More people are passing information at a faster pace than ever before. Our request in the last issue for funds for a digitizer (a copier which takes hard copy and translates it into computer language making retyping unnecessary) was filled and even though we have not mastered the new system we can al- ready tell it will greatly simplify getting information out in a timely fashion. We also received the money needed to purchase another PC (personal computer) which means that Solinus no longer has to wait to use the computer which houses the bulletin board system. She is thrilled with the faster and quieter computer which contains her word and data processing programs. To those supporters who saw the need and contributed so generously we express our deep appreciation and love. ( Are We Being Tested? ) Most of you have probably heard in one form or another about "The October Surprise" and/or "Hot August Nights", a plot to overthrow the government and the Constitution of United States. We have been watching activities which could lead to this for years and even though many fear the potential outcome of such an event we would like to assure the seeds of Light that you are protected in your functions on this planet. Do not forget this orb could be evacuated in fifteen minutes. The underlying feel- ing of impending doom and much of the fear inducing information that is being circulated is designed to divide us and frighten us to the point that our commitment to the Mission is weakened. I'm pleased to say that many of the Light workers that we are aware of have passed these tests with flying colors and the network we have mutually created is still holding together. Although many of the horror stories are happening or may still occur, running in fright or closing down your part of the network will solve nothing. On a personal level we have weighed the situation in terms of our own endangerment and have chosen to remain steadfast in our endeavors no matter what the dark lords choose to do. At times the huge amount of "negative" information coming in here is depressing, but we also realize that much of it is designed to frighten us to the point that we loose our focus on the delicate balancing act we are performing. If you're told by your guidance to leave where you are then do so without hesitation, but do not act out of fear. This will only cause you to become confused which makes the opposition's work easier. "The Lord's Prayer" is extremely comforting when things get rough and gives assurance that you are protected and watched over. It might also be reassuring to add here that there are many in high places within the government structure that are counter- ing the efforts of those who would suspend the Constitution and take our rights of assemblage and to bear arms away from us. There are many in influential positions who are against these plans and remain loyal to our country. They are silently letting things go until the villains essentially hang themselves as their plans leak out to the public sector. That is the main reason the networking of such information is so important. The more expo- sure these plans receive the more likely an attempt to overthrown the government will be hampered. Exposing the deceit and lies will be their down fall. On one level it is immaterial whether or not all the information that is being passed around is in fact true. The point to be made is that the masses should be alerted to the many possibilities so that they will not be caught totally unaware and may be better prepared to act in an appropriate manner in the event our current system of government falls. ( Time Travel Has Been Around Awhile ) A friend came to visit the other day. We never seem to talk about anything "normal" and the conversation we had this time was no exception. This particular conversation was on the Philadel- phia Experiment which I've known about since the late 1950's when I had a unique opportunity to get my hands on many piles of reading material on little known topics I am interested in. Anyway, we discussed time travel and how the Philadelphia Experi- ment opened the way for scientists to experiment with dimensional doorways. Various controlled experiments took place in many locations around the country which took individuals back in time and also forward into the future. Usually children were used in the experiments as they were considered to be less socially pro- grammed and therefore more prone to relate events accurately. Things were pretty much scientifically controlled and each person would report about the time gone to and what was seen. If re- ports were the same then it was presumed they were valid, accu- rate accounts. In the year 2012 a wall was met beyond which everything was seen as a dream state reality compared to anything before this date. Time experiments proceeded all the way up to the year 6000. After that date all was barren on the planet. Cities were in ruins and no life was seen. The reason I bought this up is because the Pleiadians are back from the future trying to change the course of events which effected their future. Our government is also experimenting with this concept attempting to change things effecting our future. This could be of benefit depending upon their motives. Many of us from the stars are also adept at time travel. If I may, I'd like to interject a few ideas here to give the govern- ment scientists some pointers on what they are actually seeing. First of all, they are in fact merely seeing what they project as the future not the actual real future. They are viewing the most probable future reality based on present events that are connect- ed to a polarity in the energy field from which they are now focusing their intent. In reality, they are only seeing an "aspect reality" of what will transpire based on what they are creating now. Remember thought creates. Because they are per- sonally connected to what they picture as reality they are only projecting back aspects of that reality and what could happen. If this were really understood they could create computer models based on what they were learning to forecast future out- comes before taking any actions that might create negative possi- bilities in the future. These models would be like negatives of the same picture in different light exposures. Each could be based on an idea or thought with various motivations behind each model. For example, with love or the lack of it being the basis outcomes would differ accordingly. If a loving time traveler was projected into the future that person would have a different view than one who had negative thoughts. What I'm saying here is that each individual even in a "controlled" experiment will relate a picture based on where their reality level is in the now. Those whose reality is based on a lack of love will eventually run into a wall because they cannot go beyond that level of understanding. But put a person with a love based reality into a time machine and he will have an unlimited view of the future. Another way of stating this is that there are many realities taking place at the same time. Each constitutes actual experiences in context with an individu- al's belief system. Another point to be made is that our scientists do not yet fully understand that antimatter worlds such as we are currently experiencing change. To put it bluntly, we are in an antimatter situation which we are changing back into a matter situation. We are in an illusionary state of surreal reality and must bridge this mind set in order to get back into a matter reality. Until this occurs everything is really an illusion even though the beholder sees it as reality. In a "matter" reality there is no scientific data to understand. Antimatter is influenced by thought differently than matter. The altering of reality in other realities is not difficult because one simply changes one's thoughts and reality is changed accordingly. Changing the future is a very complicated affair. Until the time is reached when we are fully aware that thoughts create none of these experiments will change anything. Analytical, scientif- ic thinking comes way short of the actual reality of what is being analyzed. To change the future one must understand what the past, present and future really is. It may be relatively easy to move an object or a person through time but the individual cannot possibly relate actual events in a changing "density" situation. Let's reverse the situation here just for conversation's sake. If the person was from a matter reality going into an antimatter reality it would be viewed quite differently than the other way around. Two distinctively different mind sets come into play here and there is a vast difference in the ability to comprehend what tran- spires. Man from a matter reality is billions of years ahead of humans here on Earth. See what we mean here? Those on Earth siding with the negative ET's in order to gain technological advancements are being sadly deluded. These so-called advances are but a drop in a huge bucket of technology which is freely shared outside any negative existence. This choice has cut off many on Earth from shared cooperation and unlimited possibilities. Fortunately not all entities on Earth are being effected by the decisions of a few foolish souls seek- ing power over all the others. The ones effected the most by this are those who refuse to wake up and continue to blindly follow another and they are being lead down a path with no exit. In summation Reality cannot be understood at all in an anti- matter world situation. Antimatter worlds are illusionary exist- ences used to educate souls. They were created by one group mind to educate sibling souls and can be terminated any time the over- soul that created it chooses to do so. The sibling souls are given the freedom of choice to bridge the illusion or not. This is humanity's choice now. ------Cont in SepOct92 part 2------------------------------------- Don -- -* Don Allen *- // Only | Tavistock + Esalen = "New Age" Internet: dona@bilver.uucp \X/ Amiga | Rothschild + Rockefeller = FED UUCP: .uunet!peora!bilver!vicstoy!dona | UN + Maitreya = "Twilight Zone" "A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free" - Thomas Jefferson Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9240 alt.conspiracy:18222 alt.native:1530 talk.religion.newage:11704 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.native,talk.religion.newage Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!peora!tarpit!tous!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Subject: FILE: Orvotron Newsletter Sept/Oct 92 - Part 2 Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:47:55 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep8.184755.317@bilver.uucp> Lines: 475 ------SepOct92 part 2---------------------------------------------------- ( Hurricane Andrew and Other Earth Changes) We would like to begin this section by expressing our heart- felt sympathy and love to all those who have been adversely effected by hurricane Andrew, the fires in our western states, the tornadoes which have touched down in the Midwest or the recent typhoon in Guam. The physical and psychological devasta- tion will not easily be repaired but we would like to offer our prayers and our love to those effected. If you are interested in relocating we will assist those who feel the need to seek a safer location. Other Light workers are welcome to join us in this effort. Just let us know how you would like to be involved. Many things which were previously thought of as impossible are now secretly being used to control weather patterns. There may be reason to consider that the tropical depression that became hurricane Andrew was seeded and intensified by saucer activity to increase its spin and then direct it to a particular point of impact. Those who are aware of Scaler technology can readily see how it could be used to control weather and its potential for causing mass destruction. We think there is the possibility that the Zeta Reticuli had their part to play in Andrew's destructive course by using their saucers to control the circular pattern near the eye of the storm to set the velocity and hold it on a preplanned course. The media alerted us to this possibility when they reported that strange lights and blue lightning had been seen as the hurricane passed over south Miami. Few probably took notice of these statements but these small comments meant something to those understanding how Scaler electromagnetics work. In the future new technological advances will be made as scientists study how electromagnetic fluctuations effect weather and, if I'm not mistaken, a new method of forecasting will result from what is learned as the data unfolds from this event. In my opinion, "natural" catastrophes which effect primarily minority or low income groups located in strategic places should be viewed with some skepticism. My inner guidance stated that we were correctly understanding this occurrence. Further investigation with close contacts revealed others got the same message. The northern hemisphere can forget about seasonal norms as unstable conditions produce out of season temperature extremes. Summertime will continue to produce winter like temperatures and snowfall. The whole United States should brace for extremes in temperatures which will create a really bizarre winter that no one will soon forget. Out of season rainfall, temperature ex- tremes, electrical storms, tornadoes, and the whole gambit of weather conditions with some new strange twists will be seen. Lava flows under Earth's plates are branching off in new directions which should create a roller coaster effect. This will change where quakes will occur, and will eventually start new, more rapid drifts resulting in the rising of sunken conti- nents out of the oceans. These signs already have begun and could change ocean depths seemingly over night on the east coast. In the Bermuda Triangle Atlantis is beginning to rise again as underground lava flows move the Atlantic plates. This movement will be felt along the east coast to the Carolinas and in states bordering the Gulf of Mexico. This activity will result in new fault lines being created and increased earthquake activity. The central states should hunker down and get ready for increased, unpredictable tornado activity that will surpass any- thing previously known. Rainfall will increase along with elec- trical storms associated with it. Earthquakes will also effect this area as the lava is being pulled in a northeasterly direc- tion and will create unstable pockets in the Earth's crust. Known fault line areas will become more unstable. Out of no where wind storms will arise in the Plain states accelerating the positive ion count which will effect brain waves to produce unusual behavior patterns in people. This will be similar to the winds in Colorado and California to which higher murder and suicide rates are attributed. The eastern states can expect a holding pattern similar to what is now taking place. East coast cities can expect some earthquake activity as pressure builds in the northeast. New York City is especially at risk. The central eastern states need to prepare for the possibility of a very large earthquake in Virginia and Tennessee followed by smaller ones north and south of there. The southeastern states can prepare for more unstable activity off the coast as larger and more frequent tidal waves are now possible with little or no advanced warning. The tidal wave that struck Florida a few months ago was not caused by a meteor as was stated on the news, but was the result of the slipping of the Atlantic plates in a southeasterly direction. This type of activity will eventually raise Atlantis from the depths of the ocean. This may occur around the latter part of 1993 or sooner. Expect hurricanes to seek new paths than was previously the norm. Their intensity will continue to be more severe and a second one will have caused damage by the middle or no later than the end of September. Whirlpools may be reported in the shipping lanes in the Bermuda Triangle along with many water funnels ap- pearing out of nowhere creating very unstable conditions along the shipping lanes. California and surrounding states can expect quake activity in the weeks and months ahead. The possibility of a really big one is now quite real for Nevada and California. This could result in the Pacific ocean entering the desert areas of southern California creating a inland sea. We have been saying for sometime things were now going to change drastically. Because of the great host of negative events going on against Earth she has decided to proceed into a stepped up version of her cleansing activity. We can only say this is what we see, and it does not mean all these things will occur as we see them. Believe it or not, I saw hurricane Andrew in ad- vance but it arrived faster than we could get this newsletter out. We thank God that our weather technology has reached the stage that it could so accurately predict points of impact and thus the evacuation of so many people. I would like to say that the next one I see is bigger, more destructive and coming soon. Prophesies of Intertribal Medicine Societies of the Native American Indians We ran across the following in our files and decided to include it in this issue for several reasons. One, we think it is interesting to read prophesies that were to occur in our not to distant past and also to review what others think will happen in our not to distant future. These are of particular interest in that they speak of the changes in mass consciousness rather than just cataclysmic events. It was transcribed from a tape of a lecture given by Harley Swiftdeer in April, 1983. (Introduc- tion by Aleran.) Throughout the ages humanity has sought out the prophesies of the spiritually gifted to instill a clear hope and vision into life. During this time many prophesies come to us trying to lead us in many different directions. Some prophesies point to disas- ter, hopelessness, and the annihilation of mankind. But other prophesies create a vision of joyful transformation through quantum leaps into love and light. We are dreamers and we create physical reality through the thought-forms we hold. As things stand now, the human race is dreaming a hell. But as individuals and as a collective humanity it is our potential to dram of paradise and create the kingdom of heaven on our Mother Earth. Could it be that the pain in our hearts caused by the hell we have created will spur us on into visions and creations of a world formed in love? It is my prayer and dream, along with a multitude of others who have taught me to dream the Rainbow Dream, that each and every one of you learn to dream, both while awake and sleeping, the dream of unity and love through divine transformation. This prophesy on the following pages is a dream and a vision that is a potential reality for mankind. It is not an ultimatum. But it is ours to behold and to create if we only dare to dream it together. The Prophesy These prophesies cannot be traced to any specific tribe for they come from intertribal Medicine Societies. The Medicine Societies involved in channeling the prophesies are the women's societies of the Crystal Skull and the Black Widow. 1980 - The year of the creation of the teachings of the Eight Great Powers and the introduction and the giving back to humanity of the Twenty Count. The Starmaiden Circle and the Flowering Tree Teachings which began the evolution of the distri- bution of the wheels and keys (the esoteric teachings of the North American Indian) of Turtle Island. It was in that year that the major beginning wheels and keys were given away. 1981 - The year of the planting of the light seeds of the Mokeeda (the higher self). Many teachers of the Eight Great Powers began to plant their seeds of light about the development of the higher self and began to open the teachings to the Rainbow People, also known as the Meti (mixed blood - the Rainbow People). 1982 - The year of fertilization, the year of planting, the year of going within these seeds of light in order to see the potentiality, the road map that a person can use. In the Turtle Island lore we say it is the year of finding one's path with heart, and many, many have done this. 1983 - The year of fruition, the year of seeking perfection, growth, and development. Most importantly this is the year of trust and innocence as being totally open, when people are lis- tening and teachers are talking to teachers. When mythologies of the world and all Eight Great Powers are finally revealing secrets, and the teachings within the mythologies are brought out into the open. Because of this there was a great deal of joy amongst teachers. 1984 - Next year is critical. The year of the animal. The year of Tuwalananie, the dark force. And the reason for this is that for three years seeds of light have been planted and we are starting to grow and the teachings have started to come out and all those ones inside each of the Eight Great Powers who have taught partial truths, who have taught deliberate lies in myth, who have used the power of wheels to gain control of people, to gain followers, to gain disciples, to gain devotees, are going to be very threatened by the awakening of the consciousness of the Rainbow People, because the Rainbow People exist in every coun- try, in every nation, in every land. In other words, the Sun Dancers are going to be strong enough. The dark forces will be extremely threatened and they will use their power and their power exist in technology. We are going to see some of the strongest technological advances known to humanity occurring next year (1984) and those very technological advances are going to be a tremendous threat as well as a blessing to the survival of humanity. Now, what is also a heyoka (trickster) is that 1984 is also the year that we must establish balance and harmony between the light and the dark forces. It's going to be interesting and that's why we have this sense of urgency because it is getting short. Great Walking Stick is the head seer and visionary of the Black Widow Society. She said there will be a major crisis to put us on the brink of nuclear war and the only thing that will stop it - is that the dark force is trying to create an artifi- cial sun - nuclear war - that we must exert the influence, the sun dancers, the Rainbow People by smoking our pipes, by gather- ing together and sharing our medicine for solar power, for world peace. . . and whatever else happens we MUST NOT give energy in protesting or being against something because if we take the amount of energy we spend marching, talking, writing letters against things and instead put an equal amount or double amount of energy into what we are for, we can change it. Example: Instead of protesting uranium, promote solar. 1985 - The year of human-to-human communication. The year when the human finally becomes a human...if we can get through 1984. There will be more teachers and more teachings brought out to open format than has ever been seen on this planet in the first fifty thousand years. We will reestablish contact in a very knowledgeable way with our ancestors from the stars. So mark that down because it will happen. The first wave will come from Pleiades and will be totally acknowledged and will be known by all the world powers. The second wave will come from Sirius. Ruby Morning Star was the head seer of the Crystal Skull Society. She said that in 1985 we will see a total change in the concept of what we call the United Nations. Instead of political opposition and struggle, it will change names and become the new circle of law - the Eight Great Powers. 1986 - When Tagashala and the enlightened teachers begin to open the veil of the crack between the worlds. We will see our memory circles. All Kivas and sacred power spots will come alive in 1986 and be totally awakened. The inner room of the Great Pyramid will be opened. The Order of the Golden Dawn ill have ceremonies there again for the first time in 20,000 years. The Temple of the Sun in Palenque will be refurbished, reawakened, and ceremonies will begin again. The old traditional ceremonies that are still applicable for today's world will be renewed. Many of the ceremonies that are so-called traditionalist, but are trying to keep us locked in the past and will not function today, will fall. It will be hard for some of the people of the medi- cine societies because they don't know any other way. They are going to have to change or die. Many teachers who have been seen as great teachers, who have literally kept us in the dark as worshipers of the sacrament orders will physically die and go over because it's the only way they can find the light in 1986, and many teachers will be seen for what they were and they will be the farmers, the laborers, and the gas station attendants and they will be seen as the real teachers because the Tagashala will be fully awakened. 1987 - 144,000 Sun Dance enlightened teachers will totally awaken in their dream mind-bodies. They will begin to meet in their own feathered serpent or winged serpent wheels and become a major force of the light to help the rest of humanity to dance their dream awake. A Sun Dance teacher is any human being who has awakened, who has balanced his shield, who has gained the dream mind body and who honors all paths, all teachers, and all ways. I look for the day when I can sit down with my pipe and the Buddhists with their. You will see me sit down with my dagger and Sufi drum, with my sword, my Shinto way, my pipe, my Indian way. We're going to put our Soul out on the table and say "I love you all." This is a sacred dance. That's what 1987 is all about. That's a Sun Dancer. You cannot say that you have the only true way, for all ways are true. In 1987, 144,000 enlightened Souls will sit down in gathering together circles, saying "Here it is, Brothers and Sisters. Openly, totally - come receive it". A lot of these are going to be common people and not the people you see up there now. On August 17, 1987 the various winged serpent wheels will begin to turn, to dance once again and when they do the Rainbow Lights will be seen in dreams all over the world, and those Rainbow Light dreams will help awaken the rest of humanity. 1988 - We will sit in a new circle of law. Civil and social law will tumble. All civil and social laws by whatever governments will have to be in conformity with natural law or the people will not accept them and they will have the enlightenment necessary to reject the laws. Science will once again become metaphysics, will once again become magic. They will discover four laws that will help them jump from natural to magical law and transcend the time/space continuum which is the limitation of the age, and once again we will begin to take our power and to work with rules and laws that are magical laws and cosmic laws. 1989 - We will once again see the way to continue a new dream. We will be given the road map back to the stars and will see the star people come out of the illusion of their two-legged form and into their actual Great Sleeper-Dreamer form. And so you will see some very, very powerful, totally enlightened Mas- ters in 1989 and that's the year of the second coming of the Christ spoken of in the Book of Revelations, and it will be the awakening of a new circle, a new design of energy movement for humanity. Christ means "a circle". So the second coming of the sacred circle is the all-enlightened humans, dancing as one consciousness. 1990 - A powerful year and it's really hard for me to talk about it. I am a great dreamer but I don't know if I dream that large. We will see a real shift in planetary consciousness. Many of the enemies of the humans shall begin to drop away. In 1990 you will see the Twelve Sacred Driver Wheels of each of the Eight Great Powers restored and put together to create the figure 8 or infinity sign. And 1990 will begin through the Feathered Serpent Medicine Wheels those groups of seventeen Great Sleeper Dreamers. The first migration to the next world will begin, leaving behind on this planet another world of enlightened human- ity to join the many already on other planets throughout our universe. When you speak of this migration to the other planets, are you speaking of a creation of a new race? Another dream, another dance, another series of dances in another dream in another world. What's the difference between this world and the new creation It is those that go on ahead that are the pathfind- ers. There are always pioneers. There are always the people that choose to do it the hard way, in a sense. In other words, they're totally willing to sacrifice and to step out on the path of total unknown simply because it's a pleasure to make it known. 1991 - For those who stay here on Grandmother Earth, they will totally gain the light of the Great Light Wheel. There will be on humanity, one planet composed of all the different ways of dancing in complete harmony in the great gathering together circle. In 1991 all the seeds will be planted. 1992 - The earth will have its true reality formed. It will join the sisterhood of planets, the Daughters of Copperwoman and it will create within itself all forms of things in harmony with the everything. 1993 - We will see a whole new way of perfection. There will be plants on this Grandmother Earth that will give life and sustenance as never before seen. Starvation on the earth - all those things - will be gone. 1994 - There will be total balance and harmony. All human beings will be balanced fives or enlightened fives - a six. And they will still be in their physical bodies. 1995 - The new race of humans will begin to design their new reality of life on this planet as they intend it to be when they came from the stars. 1996 - The second migration to the new world will occur leaving behind on Grandmother Earth those who are choosing to continue to hold the power on this planet within the space of all the Sacred Twelve. All of these people who choose to remain after the second migration will begin to establish this planet and use the collective unconscious to hold the power of this space in harmony with the Great Circle of Twelve, all the planets, and there is a whole lot I don't even know. There is more that I'm not supposed to talk about yet. 1997 - The dream will be actualized and this planet will hold its space in the Great Council of Planets and become a part of the Universal Enlightened Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Human- ity because there is an organization that is intergalactic that is known as the Great International Brotherhood and Sisterhood of Humanity and Keepers of the light circles. It's happened on many planets and it's expected to happen on a lot of other planets. 1998 - The Circle of Law will hold the image of fast thought necessary to allow this planet to become a starship. 1999 - The third migration will leave this planet for the other new world and this planet will now be a starship, a spaceship, have its design of energy movement guided by all of humanity that's living here because, see, it's been a starship all along, floating around a central sun, but not in harmony with sister planets. 2000 - In the year 2000 the great spirit will have left its seed and the egg of the everything here on this planet and it will create itself 20 times over at the speed of light and thus the prophesy ends as I have been given it by the Grandmothers that I share with you now. The strength of shared vision will make our world over in light. Share the Rainbow Prophesy will all, and let them be guided by their hearts to do the same until all planetary citi- zens are brought to light in the Rainbow Dream, so that we may dream and work together for true peace. ( "The Teachings" ) Since our last newsletter was mailed out we have taken the time to review "The Teachings For the Fourth Density Aquarian, Vol. I". After reading this book and also talking by phone to the coauthors, Chief Little Summer and Warm Night Rain, we would like to take this opportunity to suggest you put it on your "must read" list. We found much that confirmed our own "knowingness" and plenty that caused us to reflect upon our own spiritual growth, Light and Love. "The Teachings" is the first of a four volume series and in it you are presented with the Kundalini Meditation, a tool for pursuing one's spiritual path. 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Wells Route 2, Box 309B Vilas, NC 28692 (704) 297-2342 **** End of File **** Don -- -* Don Allen *- // Only | Tavistock + Esalen = "New Age" Internet: dona@bilver.uucp \X/ Amiga | Rothschild + Rockefeller = FED UUCP: .uunet!peora!bilver!vicstoy!dona | UN + Maitreya = "Twilight Zone" "A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free" - Thomas Jefferson Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11706 alt.alien.visitors:9241 sci.skeptic:30668 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!draco.unm.edu!cary From: cary@draco.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <26rnvhb@lynx.unm.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 23:47:25 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque References: <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Lines: 51 In article <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: > >In article <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes... >>Maybe you should get your eyes checked and get a clue while you're at it. >>Anything in the earth's atmosphere and unpowered (this includes meteors or >>shooting stars) is obviously under the influence of the earth's gravity and >>definitely isn't going to travel in a straight line. >> >>Ithlial >> >Look, dude, I've seen dozens of photos of meteors. I have yet to see one with >a >curved path. How many have you seen? How many real meteors have you seen? I've >probably seen more than you and Winston put together. I'm speaking from what >I've seen with my own eyes over 20 years of watching the sky, not from >something I got by rubbing a crystal. > >If you can honestly tell me that something moving many miles per second, in an >orbit that's as close to straight as it gets except over millions of miles, >looks to you like it's curving, then I say wake up, you're dreaming. Man-made >satellites look and photograph, from the ground, like they're moving in dead >straight lines, and these orbits are much more curved than any meteor is ever >going to be. >-Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com Look you moronic dickweed you obviously don't know a fucking piece of shit about physics. You are saying that even though a force is acting on the meteor it doesn't react to it? Christ how stupid can you be? People went for hundreds of years thinking that the Earth was flat based on their limited observations. Using your kindergarten logic the sun revolves around the earth and the moon is a flat disc in the sky. This has nothing to do with rubbing crystals. If you had bothered to educate yourself to a highschool level instead of rubbing your dick you might not look like such an idiot now. Ithial (I wonder if the fact that I am an astronomer qualifies me to speak on this topic? Or is it the fact that I have been watching the sky for years and seen meteors with curved trajectories?) My opinions, mine, mine, mine! I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when some comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What, was THAT?!" Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11709 alt.alien.visitors:9242 sci.skeptic:30672 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65497@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 18:28:43 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Lines: 10 Dear Folks: Here we go for the third time trying to get this information about the Ostrich Peple on in lines of 75 charasters or less. Subject: Ostrich People Part 3. Since the natives are shy and elusive, little was known about them before Dr. C's landmark expedition. We arrived in their village with the goal of observing the people in their day to day lives. This proved to be difficult at first since they were very suspicious and didn't come out of their huts for days. But gradually, they began to lose their fear and approached us. They became wonderful hosts, feeding us and giving us shelter at night.--Part 3. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11710 alt.alien.visitors:9243 sci.skeptic:30675 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65501@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 18:55:32 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Lines: 22 Subject: The Ostrich People. Part 4. The explorers admired the way the natives used their forked feet. They even witnessed the birth of a two-toed bady. In the past, the few researchers who had observed the ostrich people believed that their strange feet were the result of a genetic mutation, since we had to accept this explanation but then something amazing happened. It was during the night of a full moon that Dr. C.'s team was wakened by the natives, who were naked and had painted their entire bodies glowing silver. The awestruck explorers followed the tribe into the dark jungle. After several hours, they came upon a large, shining silver dome. The tribe began dancing wildly around it and singing songs to their ancestors from the sky. The dome was like nothing of this earth. The incredible ceremony continued until the first light of dawn. Then the wearly ostrich people led the exlorers back to their village. On the way, an elder told Dr. C. that about 200 years ago, the large spinning sun had fallen from the sky, bringing the tribe's ancestors to the remote jungle area. That was all anyone remembered. More will be known when the French team returns to the jungle to study the crashed UFO. This article was written by Francis Shipplett. The Sun Magazine's Editorial Offices are at 5401 N.W. Broken Sound Blvd. Boca Raton, FL. 33487. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!att-out!pacbell.com!decwrl!infopiz!lupine!motcsd!udc!mcdphx!ennews!anasaz!qip!billy Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Loose Lips Message-ID: <1992Sep4.071358.24694@anasaz> From: billy@anasaz (Bill Moore) Date: 4 Sep 92 07:13:58 GMT References: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, Az Lines: 68 In article <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes: -> ->I've been a lurker on this group for several months. I find the subject ->matter interesting, and I suppose a part of me wants to believe that there ->have been alien "visitations." However, I have no strong beliefs one way ->or the other. My attitude could best be described as "show me." My mind ->is open (at least I like to think so). -> ->I have a question for anyone out there who cares to answer, but be ->forewarned that it's based on my OPINIONS, so don't ask me for verifiable ->facts. I can't supply them. -> ->I spent eight years in the military as an enlisted man, both as a grunt and ->as a sergeant. I know how difficult it is for people to keep their mouths ->shut, even when threatened with prison or bodily harm if they talk. The ->more important a person's perception of an incident, the more likely that ->person is to talk about it. There's been considerable talk here about the ->Roswell incident (1947, I believe), and the military's involvement in it. ->There have been other incidents where the military was involved -- seems to ->me there was one over the Great Lakes back in the Fifties in which a couple ->of interceptors (F-89s?) were lost in a pursuit of a UFO. I'm sure most ->of you out there know a lot more than I do about these and other UFO ->incidents with military involvement. -> ->So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty ground ->pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw ->something extraterrestrial? If there is/was a conspiracy, those at the ->highest levels could eliminate a few people, perhaps (like the nurse who ->sketched the alien corpses at Roswell?), but a wholesale elimination of ->all low-level people involved simply isn't practical, or even wise. That ->action alone would give away the conspiracy, I would think. -> ->Comments? -> Good observation. With respect to Roswell, notice that MOST of th "proof" focuses on military activity that would occur if ANYTHING happened. Authors like to show that this general did that and that major did the other thing but they never support their contention that a UFO crashed. Assume an atomic bomb fell out of an airplane and go back and re-read everything you've seen about Roswell. In that exercise, the "UFO" part of Roswell is reduced to mostly second-hand hearsay. Note also the "strangeness" surrounding UFO "revelations" from low-level military people. You'd think this was a total non-secret with all the NCO's who just happen to wander into a UFO situation. Look at Robert Lazar. He's a former whore house manager (it's legal in Nevada) with no advanced education other than a "couple of courses at Cal Tech." He got a job repairing gieger counters at Los Alamos and then would have us believe Edward Teller himself decided Lazar should be the one to analyze crashed UFOs to determine how they were powered. He "proves" that by showing records from the Department of Naval Intelligence citing his earnings at $27,000 a year. The UFO people swallow this stuff wholesale. One researcher, Linda Mouton Howe, is writing a book about him. When I asked her why she insisted on calling him a "physicist" and "scientist" she said he was "very bright" and formal education was not necessary for someone like him. She'll probably sell 100,000 copies about the "top US scientist" who came forward and "exposed" the secrets about UFOs. -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill Moore billy%anasaz.UUCP@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (602) 395-1732 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!cs.mu.OZ.AU!munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU!curmi From: curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI) Subject: Re: Types of abductions Message-ID: <9225314.8652@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia References: <1992Sep8.020931.21077@nmsu.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:00:55 GMT Lines: 43 rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) writes: >I have a friend who insists he is constantly examined. He doesn't >use the term abducted, because nothing really bad happens. But, when >he described his experiences to us, some interesting questions >came up. >He said that the 'aliens' that examine him are the greys and >the 'praying mantis' types, and the mantis ones are all around >us, but disguised quite well. These mantis types are the 'seekers' >that go out get him for the 'examination'. Has there been any >other reports of the mantis aliens doing stuff like this? I don't know anything about the Mantis type....worries me a bit that their are so many alien types around. I didn't realise the universe was teeming with so much life....especially life that resembles Earth insects. ;-) >Second, he says they are constantly asking him history questions. >They seem to get angry when he doesn't really know much about >the world history. They ask questions that he has never heard of >and they insist that those instances were major turning points in >world history. Again, any other reports of aliens 'quizing' us >about anything?? Actually this is a common report. Especially the bit about the aliens getting angry. Does he claim they show him moving pictures on crystals that look just like the real historical event? This is one I've heard Greys get up to....though I seriously question a device that looks into the past (no flames about my closed mind please).... >Just wondering... Me too...How does a huge praying mantis disguise itself so as not to look conspicuous around human beings? Any answers from your friend? Jamie -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jamie P. Curmi (curmi@cs.mu.oz.au, curmi@maths.mu.oz.au) Department of Computer Science, Department of Mathematics The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Mutate NOW - avoid the rush! *** Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!access.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bison!sys6626!system From: system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Victor Spicer ) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Tesla Message-ID: Date: 9 Sep 92 00:16:14 GMT References: <1992Aug31.203700.18633@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB Lines: 18 rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes: > > Ed - so you'd be of the opinion that Tesla _did_ in fact get some of > his ideas telepathically from pigeons (as he claimed)? > > RA telepathically from pidgeons? cool... where can one find documentation of this statement? i've gone through a copy of tesla's colorado springs notes from around 1896, it looks like the lab notes of a fairly sane person. ;--- (Victor Spicer ) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64 ;E-mail: system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca ;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!access.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bison!sys6626!system From: system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Victor Spicer ) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: "scientific" UFO information?? Message-ID: Date: 8 Sep 92 23:25:16 GMT Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB Lines: 15 is there some electronic mail or news based source for "serious" discussion of UFO topics, approaching the matter with something of a scientific method? not to say the folks here aren't serious..... :) i'm just after some more quantitative information on the UFO deal... thanks in advance vic spicer (yes, put on the asbestos outerwear...) ;--- (Victor Spicer ) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64 ;E-mail: system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca ;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8 Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11711 alt.alien.visitors:9248 sci.skeptic:30686 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nic.unh.edu!news From: kalter@unh.edu Subject: Re: meteors curve / go straight Message-ID: <6482649@gloin.unh.edu> Sender: news@newshost.unh.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:52:24 GMT Lines: 7 His point was, meteors _LOOK_ straightish. The thing is, they _DO_ look straightish by eyeball. They do, they really do _LOOK_ straight. He deserves to be granted that much. What he was implying was, anyone with doubts can can be pardoned for thinking, "Hey, at least it looks straight to me, or pretty close." He is entitled to at least ASK for a demonstration of curvedness. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Loose Lips Message-ID: Date: 9 Sep 92 04:22:21 GMT References: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> <1992Sep4.071358.24694@anasaz> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 47 billy@anasaz (Bill Moore - he of the unqualified hostname) writes: Assume an atomic bomb fell out of an airplane and go back and re-read everything you've seen about Roswell. In that exercise, the "UFO" part of Roswell is reduced to mostly second-hand hearsay. ... but wouldn't Maj. Jesse Marcel know it was an a-bomb (he was intelligence officer at Roswell, and certainly familiar with the nuclear weapons kept there)? Why would he claim 30 years later that it wasn't anything he'd ever seen before ("not from earth")? Why would he take debris from it to his home, to show to his family? Why would the Air Force later promote Marcel, if he was crazy (or stupid) enough to bring an a-bomb to his home, or even parts of it? Why would the Air Force go out of its way to publicize the event with not one but two elaborate cover stories (the first on being a flying disk, the second a radar and/or weather balloon?) Wouldn't have been easier to just tell everyone early on (Mac Brazel, the sherrif, Brazel's family) "its related to the a-bomb", and ask them to keep mum as patriots (an approach that had worked before, and would certainly have worked at the time.) The problem with your surmise is that we've had a-bombs get "lost" (crashed aircraft, one accidently dropped on South Carolina), and the Air Force didn't react in any way similar to the way it did in the Roswell case. You'd think this was a total non-secret with all the NCO's who just happen to wander into a UFO situation. ... secrecy oaths work on NCO's too. The UFO people swallow this stuff wholesale. ... thanks very much for doing my thinking for me. As a matter of fact, I don't swallow the Lazar stuff, wholesale or otherwise. (Respect you opponent; it makes for a better argument. BTW, could you give me a reference on where you got the particulars on Lazar?) She'll probably sell 100,000 copies about the "top US scientist" who came forward and "exposed" the secrets about UFOs. ... What's it to you if she makes a billion bucks? I don't begrudge Phil Klass his books... Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!sgigate!odin!slugo.corp.sgi.com!rodb From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Loose Lips Message-ID: <1992Sep9.064935.10533@odin.corp.sgi.com> Date: 9 Sep 92 06:49:35 GMT References: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> <1992Sep4.071358.24694@anasaz> Sender: news@odin.corp.sgi.com (Net News) Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: slugo.corp.sgi.com Bill,[You write] >Look at Robert Lazar. He's a former whore house manager (it's legal in >Nevada) with no advanced education other than a "couple of courses at Cal >Tech." He got a job repairing gieger counters at Los Alamos and then >would have us believe Edward Teller himself decided Lazar should be the >one to analyze crashed UFOs to determine how they were powered. He "proves" >that by showing records from the Department of Naval Intelligence citing >his earnings at $27,000 a year. >The UFO people swallow this stuff wholesale. One researcher, Linda >Mouton Howe, is writing a book about him. When I asked her why she >insisted on calling him a "physicist" and "scientist" she said he was >"very bright" and formal education was not necessary for someone like him. >She'll probably sell 100,000 copies about the "top US scientist" who came >forward and "exposed" the secrets about UFOs. Were did you get the information on Robert Lazar. I have been trying to get some information on him for a while with little or no luck. I knew about the soiled dove house stuff but, what's this about him having no former education or a real job with the government. I have not read any information about in any of the major UFO magazines for quite a while. If all this is so, how does George Knapp fit into all this? Are you absolutley sure of you allegations? Let us all know. Thanks, Rod -- Rod Beckwith |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Datacom I/S |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance, rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge." |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9251 alt.conspiracy:18236 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <_csng1a.garys@netcom.com> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 07:34:24 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Summary: Some more terrifying happenings to tell you... Keywords: aliens,clones,invasion,stollman Lines: 26 Well, I just found out something from Joan today that happened while she was visiting her niece in San Bernadino a few months ago. It turns out that there was a store a few blocks away from her niece's apartment, which had two phones where she called me from at my dad's store. She said when she called the store, the phone next to her started ringing, just like I have had happen to me when I called her and our pharmacy from other places. The only difference is that when she came back to call me the next day, the place was GONE!! All boarded up and the two pay phones were ripped out of the wall!! She said there was NOTHING to indicate that the place was going out of business, but it doesn't surprise me in the least, cause that is part of what has been happening around me these last ten years. When I called up my mom in LA from a pay phone in Tallahassee one time, the next day we went back to make another call and the phone receiver had been sliced neatly in two! Joan couldn't believe it, but I could. I know these bastards well, too well!! -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!parc!EuroPARC.Xerox.COM!brown From: 90jmb@eng.cam.ac.uk (James Brown) Subject: Alien Gifts Message-ID: <1992Sep9.084812.12104@parc.xerox.com> Sender: news@parc.xerox.com Reply-To: 90jmb@eng.cam.ac.uk (James Brown) Organization: well... Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:48:12 GMT Lines: 9 Last night I met some aliens in one of the smaller alleys in Cambridge. I was buying primary colour rubber balls from the yellow coin machines and they approached me saying that I was their friend and would I therefore accept a portable audiovisual unit. Their hearing covers such an enormous bandwidth that this portable device gives the purest sound quality ever heard on this planet, with only two disadvantages: they have three ears, making the headphones very uncomfortable to wear, and all of their music consists of two tings on a bell. The visual part of the device is even less useful in that their eyes are constructed across a flat expanse of their bodies as a cluster of tubes, each with a piece of light-sensitive tissue at the end, one pixel per tube. They have no lens; each tube receives its light from directly ahead which is how the image is formed. This means that they do not see in perspective. Things remain the same apparent size however far away they are - the only distance cues they get are from parallax and haze. On the plus side, they live less than twenty light-years away, and were therefore able to give me a triphonic remix of 'Dark Side of the Moon'. I thought you might like to know. James 'James Brown' Brown. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!sunova!ireland!rocko From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary) Subject: Re: Tesla CORRECTION Message-ID: <1992Sep9.125440.5944@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: rocko@ireland (Rick O'leary) Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.3.8.49 Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology References: <1992Aug31.203700.18633@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:54:40 GMT Lines: 60 , system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Victor Spicer ) writes: |> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes: |> |> > |> > Ed - so you'd be of the opinion that Tesla _did_ in fact get some of |> > his ideas telepathically from pigeons (as he claimed)? |> > |> > RA |> |> |> telepathically from pidgeons? cool... where can one find documentation of |> this statement? |> |> i've gone through a copy of tesla's colorado springs notes from around |> 1896, it looks like the lab notes of a fairly sane person. |> |> ;--- (Victor Spicer ) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64 |> ;E-mail: system@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |> ;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8 No, no, no, Victors. RA ment to type "some of their ideas" ^^^^^ You see it's the group TESLA that has been communicating with pidgeons, not the man from which they take their name. Check out the liner notes on their last CD. love and kisses Rocko * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **** * ** **** ** ** ******* **** ***** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ******* ** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* * ** *** *** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* ** *** ******* ****** ** **** @@@@@@@ @ @@@@ @@ @@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ **** **** ** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ **** *** *** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _ ************** _ @@@ @ @@@@@@ @ @@ @ @@@ @@@@@@ \\________________// @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \________________/ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \ / __ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _|____| (_) \ @ @@@@@@@ @ @ @ @ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ {______(_)- \ \_____ {_______(_) ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** {______(_) ******** ******** ******** ******** *** ** {_____( ) /______ ** ** ** ** ** **** ** \| |_____/ ******* **** ** **** ** ** **** | | ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *** | | ******** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ~~~~ ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!parc!EuroPARC.Xerox.COM!brown From: brown@eng.cam.ac.uk (James Brown) Subject: Alien Gifts 2 Message-ID: <1992Sep9.092807.13363@parc.xerox.com> Sender: news@parc.xerox.com Reply-To: brown@eng.cam.ac.uk (James Brown) Organization: Xerox PARC Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:28:07 GMT Lines: 2 .. all of their music consists of .. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11716 alt.alien.visitors:9255 sci.skeptic:30708 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65541@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 06:44:06 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Lines: 31 Dear Folks: I've been ask to repost this information in 75 characters lines or less that can be read on the Portal System. Subject Ex-CIA Pilot: There is a person who once was a CIA pilot in Southeast Asia, a 30 year air line pilot and the son of the person who invented the same jet planes that are used by rich people. His name is John Lear. Lately he has been saying a few things about our government in the press. It's all public information. Here are a few things he is saying; The U.S. government has recovered more than 40 flying saucers belonging to alien civilizations far beyond our solar system. And Navy pilots have successfully flown flown several of these craft under a secret program begun in the mid-1950s. The remains of as many as 100 captive Extraterrestrial Biological Entities (EBEs), representing as many as 15 different species, are being secretly preserved in cryogenic storage. The U.S. has established secret bases on the moon and on Mars, with NASa's Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Spacelab and Shuttle projects just smoke screens for what's reallly been going on. John Lear didn't give UFOs much thought until a friend of his told him the truth about the Brentwaters Air Force Base incident near London, England in late 1980. After that he started to piece together facts about what he believed to be a massive but well intentioned cover- up by the U.S. government. He said he discovered that working behind a cloak of ultrasecretcy, the U.S. many years ago granted the aliens permission to abduct humans in exchange for their superadvanced technology. He believes that at this moment, there are at least 70 different species of aliens on Earth performing an infinite variety of missions and there are also secret alien underground bases on American soil. Source of information: Sept. 8, 1992 National Examiner. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Why are aliens "bad" Message-ID: Date: 9 Sep 92 15:21:54 GMT References: <1992Sep08.183720.3478@news.mentorg.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 36 Why are most of the aliens presented here (blacks, greys, etc.) not nice ? Is this 1950s all over again ? ... From my reading, in the 1950's, those who claimed contact (Adamski, for instance), claimed that those visiting earth were nice guys. I think the bad-guy aliens stuff starts with the abduction claims (beginning in the mid-1960's, though not in a concerted way until the 1970's.) Since some of the more famous "evil alien" stuff is known to be false (e.g. the "Krill" stuff), it may just be that evil aliens make better copy; though some of the people killed mysteriously in South America (detailed in some of Vallee's books - "Confrontations", I think -- before anyone poo-poos, read the book) would seem to point in the bad-guy alien direction. Certainly good-alien people are still around (Meier, for instance). Why has no one contacted the aliens that gave (give) birth (life) to the greys and blacks etc. ? ... eh? Please give more details. Assuming the age of this universe to be ~16 billion years. And life on Earth is < 4 billion years. Human kind < 40,000 years. It seems very reasonable to me that life forms on other planets should have evolved far beyond human kind and most likely far beyond the greys and blacks that are still rutting in the dirt of life. ... well, heavier elements (that is, heavier than say helium) haven't been around that long -- they'd only have been formed after supernovas (which have to wait until stars actually form; then reform into new stars to support life built on these "new" elements). However, you're right that there is certainly time for other civilizations to have evolved elsewhere. Charles Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: Why are aliens "bad" Message-ID: <1992Sep9.145004.16149@ntb.ch> Followup-To: Tom Keywords: Good News Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1992Sep08.183720.3478@news.mentorg.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:50:04 GMT Lines: 50 Tom asks Why are most of the aliens presented here (blacks, greys, etc.) not nice ? and says It seems very reasonable to me that life forms on other planets should have evolved far beyond humankind, and most likely far beyond the greys and blacks that are still rutting in the dirt of life. In a video I have, the Nords (I hope my terminology is correct) are quoted as saying that we are nicely on the way to their level of consciousness and that they are happy with our progress. They apparently went through the same kind of development. As they don't mention the greys (or any others), perhaps they are only a minor irritation rather than an all-out threat? Also, there seem to be a lot of abductions by the greys, but dialogue with other types seems to be limited. Of course, you don't need to be hypnotized to recount your experiences with the Nords either. Maybe it's therefore less believable? And look at TV news. How many times do they bring nice guys saying nice things? I'm not saying that it's not traumatic to be abducted, in fact it must be terrible, especially if nobody wants to listen. I don't know *who* I would be able to go to here in Switzerland with such a "ludicrous" story. (I'm mentioning this because some of us have discussed it on Email.) - - Has anybody any suggestions as to what the browsing abductee, looking for some comfort in this group, but scared stiff of ridicule or derision could do about it? - - This is a serious question. In Findhorn I once heard that there were twelve kinds of known ETs. Can someone fill me in on any of them? I only really know of the greys and the Nordic types. Perhaps Email would be the best medium, as I wouldn't like anybody to get "flamed" for boring some of our experts. Or is this not common knowledge? Thanks in advance Paul. Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!sun-barr!news2me.ebay.sun.com!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!texsun!csccat!ncmicro!ltf From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Who is Rodenberry? Message-ID: <1992Sep9.134308.5682@ncmicro.lonestar.org> Date: 9 Sep 92 13:43:08 GMT References: <1992Sep8.085024.9012@odin.corp.sgi.com> <1992Sep8.115730.13003@mr.med.ge.com> Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc. Lines: 27 In article <1992Sep8.115730.13003@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes: }Rod Beckwith (rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com) wrote: }: Andre,[you write] }: }: >Who is Rodenberry? }: }: }: Who created Star Trek? }: }: Rod }: }Star Trek? What is the Science Fiction show Gene Roddenberry created? Ok, now I'll take Ancient Greek Architecture for $200. Lance "Jeopardy" Franklin -- Lance T. Franklin +----------------------------------------------+ (ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org) | "You want I should bop you with this here | NC Microproducts, Inc. | Lollipop?!?" The Fat Fury | Richardson, Texas +----------------------------------------------+ Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65542@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 09:07:57 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <61006@cup.portal.com> <64423@cup.portal.com> <64691@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug26.222044.4399@mprgate.mpr.ca> <28AUG199210521278@jane.uh.edu> <65162@cup.portal.com> <65195@cup.portal.com> <65367@cup.portal.com> Lines: 41 Subject: Ruins of a 30,000 Year Old City. Part 3. After getting back in our cars we went about 5 more miles up the PC highway, then turned right on a road that sounds like Belken, It is not my purpose to tell people exactly where this city is but if you really want to find it you will or you can take the tour. You might get killed if you try this the wrong way. We encountered snakes, poison oak, poison ivy and some trails that can be very dangerous if you don't have a good guide to direct you. After going up this road for a mile or two we came to an area where a large rock wall came down a hill. It was missing when it went across the road then it started again and went up the hill. R. pointed out that the wall was made of cement and artificial rock. I made for sure that I was hearing him right by asking him if he didn't mean that the walls were made by just picking up the stones on the ground and cementing them together. Her then stated that it was made of artificial rock. These walls were about 10 feet tall and about 2 feet wide. He said that the walls were made to keep wild animals such as the saber toothed tiger (not that they were alive then) and wild people out. I the told R. that these walls looked exactly like the Mysterious Rock Walls that extend from Berkeley, Calif. to Milpitas and have to do with the focusing of Ley Lines. He said that he had heard of them and it was true about the Ley Lines. He had shown a geologist some outcroppings in mountains before but he refused to recognize them as anything artificial. He believes that these walls were originally made to have a charge on them and would shock a person if they touched the walls. R. mentioned that these walls were the last thing that he discov- ed about the city and were the iceing on the cake that proved to him that the city was an actuality. After seeing this wall we went about a mile and saw another wall that was 20 feet tall and 50 feet long and was at an angle to the ground. This wall had been laid down in different layers using different colors of material. All of this reminded me of a boulder that I and a friend tore apart using just a screw driver and no hammer. This was up on Mission Peak in the Fremont, Calif. area. The boulder looked like any other rock but after you chipped away the outside vineer the inside was made of smaller rocks put together with cement. As you went further inside the boulder it was evident that it was man made. End part 3. John Winston. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9261 alt.conspiracy:18242 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v129j6ed From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Summary: Some more terrifying happenings to tell you... Keywords: aliens,clones,invasion,stollman Message-ID: Date: 9 Sep 92 16:18:00 GMT References: <_csng1a.garys@netcom.com> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 32 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu In article <_csng1a.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes... > >Well, I just found out something from Joan today that happened while she >was visiting her niece in San Bernadino a few months ago. It turns out >that there was a store a few blocks away from her niece's apartment, which >had two phones where she called me from at my dad's store. She said when >she called the store, the phone next to her started ringing, just like I >have had happen to me when I called her and our pharmacy from other >places. The only difference is that when she came back to call me the >next day, the place was GONE!! All boarded up and the two pay phones were >ripped out of the wall!! She said there was NOTHING to indicate that the >place was going out of business, but it doesn't surprise me in the least, >cause that is part of what has been happening around me these last ten >years. Maybe this is the clone of Joan, the heir of the vasaline fortune. Or maybe she got the wrong store. Or maybe we are out to get you!!!!!! ******************************************************************************* "Groovy!" - Ash "Evil Dead II : Dead By Dawn" (1987) ******************************************************************************* "Fans are interesting things. Rush fans just can't comprehend why the rest of the world doesn't like Rush. REM fans consider the rest of the world beneath their social level to notice. Kate Bush fans love the rest of the world, and the world loves them, but spend long nights plotting to knife one another." --Richard Darwin Richard Darwin #33, "Gradenza" ******************************************************************************* v129j6ed@ubvms The KaTeFan(tm) Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11719 alt.alien.visitors:9262 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65543@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 09:25:44 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> Lines: 28 Subject: My Friend Len. Len and I decided to meet over at a church building at 800 P.M on friday. We both arrived on time and started our conversation in a small room. After talking for a while Len put something heavy and metalic into the palm of my hand and asked me to let him know what impression I got from it. I continued to talk while holding it and finallly told him that I didn't get much of a reaction from it at all. He then told me that he had once given the piece of metal to a leader of a UFO club down in southern Calif. who was saying that he had been contacted physically by the people in the flying saucers when in actuality he had only had an astral (spiritual) experience with them. When the peice of metal was given to the person it got hot and nearly knocked him over. Len then asked the person if he got the message and he said that he did. It seems that this metal was once left behind after a UFO or identified flying object IFO landing. Some people took the metal and melted it down, I think, into an easily carried form. After talking for a while we found that Len had been directed along the same path (sometimes called The Path) that I had come over. He knew all of the people that I had been acquainted with like John Hopkin, Nola Van Valer and a great many more. Len then told me that he was in the Vehicle Work. He was a person who took people for field trips in his car and put them in touch with the people in the flying saucers. My responce to that was, "Let's go". I then suggested that we go up on Mission Peak because there was a lot of IFO activity up there. He then said that he didn't think we should go up there because we would have an accident if we tried to go up there that weekend. Len then said that many times he gets mental messages to tell someone a certain bit of information and the results are very interesting. End Part 2 John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11720 alt.alien.visitors:9263 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65545@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 09:46:40 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> Lines: 41 Subject: Ruins of a 30,000 Year Old City. Part 3. After getting back in our cars we went about 5 more miles up the PC highway, then turned right on a road that sounds like Belken, It is not my purpose to tell people exactly where this city is but if you really want to find it you will or you can take the tour. You might get killed if you try this the wrong way. We encountered snakes, poison oak, poison ivy and some trails that can be very dangerous if you don't have a good guide to direct you. After going up this road for a mile or two we came to an area where a large rock wall came down a hill. It was missing when it went across the road then it started again and went up the hill. R. pointed out that the wall was made of cement and artificial rock. I made for sure that I was hearing him right by asking him if he didn't mean that the walls were made by just picking up the stones on the ground and cementing them together. Her then stated that it was made of artificial rock. These walls were about 10 feet tall and about 2 feet wide. He said that the walls were made to keep wild animals such as the saber toothed tiger (not that they were alive then) and wild people out. I the told R. that these walls looked exactly like the Mysterious Rock Walls that extend from Berkeley, Calif. to Milpitas and have to do with the focusing of Ley Lines. He said that he had heard of them and it was true about the Ley Lines. He had shown a geologist some outcroppings in mountains before but he refused to recognize them as anything artificial. He believes that these walls were originally made to have a charge on them and would shock a person if they touched the walls. R. mentioned that these walls were the last thing that he discov- ed about the city and were the iceing on the cake that proved to him that the city was an actuality. After seeing this wall we went about a mile and saw another wall that was 20 feet tall and 50 feet long and was at an angle to the ground. This wall had been laid down in different layers using different colors of material. All of this reminded me of a boulder that I and a friend tore apart using just a screw driver and no hammer. This was up on Mission Peak in the Fremont, Calif. area. The boulder looked like any other rock but after you chipped away the outside vineer the inside was made of smaller rocks put together with cement. As you went further inside the boulder it was evident that it was man made. End part 3. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11723 alt.alien.visitors:9264 sci.skeptic:30717 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!rdg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!est.enet.dec.com!randolph From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep9.170823.13966@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: 9 Sep 92 19:21:58 GMT References: <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <26rnvhb@lynx.unm.edu> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 29 In article <26rnvhb@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@draco.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes... >In article <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: >> >>In article <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes... Ok, one last time... this is already a waste of bandwidth. First of all, CHILL OUT, will ya? Second of all, if we're gonna get into a "mine's bigger than yours" contest, I've been an amateur astronomer for 20 years. I've owned five different telescopes, two of which I built myself. I've observed the sky with everything from binoculars to 17 inch Newtonians. I've photographed the sky through my telescopes. I've written software to model the orbits of planets, asteroids, comets, predict eclipses, and draw star charts. Until recently, I was an IAU Circulars subscriber (astronomers know what those are). When I need data, I look up the papers in professional journals. You could safely say I'm into this in a big way, so sorry, Mr. Astronomer Sir, but there's not that much you can tell me that would be news to me... And third, this has nothing at all to do with physics. Obviously gravity and drag will pull a meteor towards the Earth some, and in many cases they'll be drawn right into the Earth - so what? The point is that meteor paths look straight from the ground. John Winston said they don't. He was wrong. Wanna see some meteor photos that prove it? Go ahead, show me a photo of a curved meteor path. Bet you have trouble finding one. -Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11725 alt.alien.visitors:9265 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65549@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 10:54:29 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> <65545@cup.portal.com> Lines: 3 Please disregard the information about the Ruins of the 30,000 Year Old City. It should have been entered under the subject of Ley Lines. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Ba Message-ID: <65550@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 10:58:58 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <14070@mindlink.bc.ca> <63578@cup.portal.com> Lines: 29 Subject: The Great Pyramid: In the past my teacher and Guru (Merele) had told me that the Great Pyramid had a space ship in it and later on I read a story saying that a person had been taken inside the pyramid by a space person and shown a craft. There was mentioned such things as a cross and some jewels. The transfigureation, Jesus and Venus was also mentioned. All of this seemed logical to me but lately there has come some information in the news about the pyramid that even seem a little far out to me. It seems that some archeologists have discovered a craft inside the Great Pyramid that is 300 feet from edge to edge and is 150 feet high. It's not only in perfect conditiion, it is actually running on a standby mode-like a car idling, waiting for the driver to return, according to Dr. Max Koch, leader of the team. A NASA satellite first detected unusual amounts of radiation from the massive pyramid last year. Further tests with highly advanced radiation detectors and imaging devices revealed the outline of the space ship 300 feet below the Great Pyramid. They found the massive UFO hanger in early June. The entire hangar was as neat as a pin, as though workers and crew had just left for the day. The saucer is made of an unknown metal alloy, similar to ceramic. A barely detected hum emanated form the great vehicle. The hangar itself was made of the same material as the spavceship. They say they believe most of the early pyramids were built by aliens. They are trying to open the craft using a laser beam and it took 24 hours to cut a gash one inch deep and a foot long.The hull is almost 2 feet thick. So for me to believe in this story they will have to knock 250 feet off of the width of this ship and throw a lot of dust on it. Also turn off the motor. Source of information: Sun Magazine. Sept.8, 1992 Page 11. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Ba Message-ID: <65551@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:03:52 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <14070@mindlink.bc.ca> <63578@cup.portal.com> <65550@cup.portal.com> Lines: 14 Dear Folks: I was thinking about stopping the Astral Train after this the seventh week, but Kumar thinks he just about has it down pat so we'll take off again at the same time. Kumar claims that Don Showen and I were bothering the heck out of him in his dreams. Sorry about that. A person named Hari in Europe is interested in all of this information so I'll be sending it to him by floppy disk if it is possible for me to do that. This weeks OOB trip will be going to Wyoming, USA to the Royal Teton Mountains. They have a nice place there that I'm sure you will all enjoy. Happy journey to you. It is my opinion that everybody travels astrally when they go to sleep even if you don't believe in it. Just say before you go to bed; "I want to go with John tonight while I'm asleep to the Royal Tetons". Try to remember what you did the next morning. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!unidui!flyer!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The text (part 2) Message-ID: <15867858347@tron.gun.de> Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 12:10:00 +0200 Lines: 250 PART 2: "The project to fly, test fly these craft, was ongoing until sometime in 1962 when a craft blew up not far from the test sight, in the air, and the explosion was seen over a three state area. The pilots were killed, they had no idea what had happened or why the craft blew up, but they put Project Redlight on hold until a later date when the aliens supplied us with 3 craft and personnel to help us learn how to fly these craft. That project is ongoing and we now have not only alien craft that we are flying, we have craft we have built, using the captured technology, and some of the UFO's that people report seeing in the United States, and maybe even elsewhere, are flown by United States personnel." "That may come as a shock to you. We have technology way beyond the limits of what we have been told. A lot of our development technologically, since the end of World War II, has been due to the exchange of technology which occurs in the area called 'Area-51' on a regular basis ...ongoing." "When James Oberth, professor Oberth retired, many of you don't know who he is ...not too many space people in here. Professor Oberth was probably one of the greatest rocket scientists and space commentists that ever lived. When he retired, the government gave him a special award, there was a press conference, all kinds of ceremony, and when he got up to speak he said, 'Gentlemen,' and I quote professor Oberth, he said, 'Gentlemen, we cannot take credit for all the technological developments that we have had in the last decade. We have had help,' and that's where he stopped." "One of the reporters raised his hand and said, 'Professor Oberth, can you tell us what other country helped us?'" "He said, 'It was those little guys from out in space,' and then he got down and and would not comment any further. Now this occurred in 1959. I can go on and on but time doesn't allow it." "I will tell you ladies and gentlemen that there are all kinds of things going on all the time, we are making rapid progress in exposing this. Since I have begun talking, people have been coming out of the woodwork at a rapid rate, who know and have pieces of this puzzle, and are helping us to put it together, because I don't have all the answers. I saw an awful lot of material, I have remembered an awful lot of it, I have probably, in my remembering, made some mistakes, and I guarantee you they're minor ones, if I have." "We have just recently, for those of you who didn't believe that the Jason Society of the Jason Scholars, the secret group existed, we now have a letter from the Pentagon, with 51 names of the Jason Scholars, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the highest security clearances in the nation, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the protocol rank of Rear Admiral, and are treated as such on any military installation or in any government office. There are 6 Nobel Prize winners on that list, there are the elite of the elite of the scientific world, they are the only ones who really know the truth about the technology today and about the real science of physics, because the one that we're being taught all the time... If you send your kids to college to learn physics you're wasting your money because they're teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real. Gravity is not what we think it is. There IS a Unified Theory! We already know what it is, it's what makes these craft work. It's absolutely incredible what's going on." "How many of you keep up with Billy Goodman's show on KVEG out of Las Vegas? For those of you who don't, I would try tuning in on any night between 10:00 PM and 1:00 AM. It's 840 on your AM dial, and the subject every night are those subjects that no other media person in the United States will touch with a 10 foot pole, every single night except Saturday night. It's the only show that you can call in and talk to another caller, you've got 3 minutes to say whatever you want to say as long as you don't cuss or swear or slander anyone, and every night they're helping to expose this." "When John Lear and I first said what was going on out at Groom Lake everybody said, 'You're nuts, there's nothing going on out at Groom Lake!' The listeners of the Billy Goodman radio show put together an excursion and went up to Groom Lake and they all, ever since, every night, they go up there and watch them test fly the alien craft ...every night! The first night they had 100 people there. And 100 people saw 4 alien craft fly, doing things that no airplane and no helicopter can do. Now they don't tell us anymore that there's nothing happening at Groom Lake. What they tell us now is there's no such thing as aliens, it's all government secret projects. That's okay because we'll prove that wrong too eventually, it just takes awhile. Because where we WERE ...it's not where we're AT, and I'm really happy about that." "Now, if you want to see what's happening right now, keep watching your movies, keep watching your television commercials, your alien programs on television, read Whitley Streeper's 'Majestic' which is a part of the contingency plan called 'Majestic' to test the reaction of the population to the presence of aliens on the Earth. And I have just finished my study of Whitley Streeper's book 'Majestic,' and I'm gonna tell you right now that most of the documents in there, that he says are fiction, are real documents that came right out of Project Grudge. It is part of the government's campaign to leak information out in ways that they can always deny that it's real. There's only one thing wrong with the information in that book, the stories of the characters in there I know nothing about. What I'm talking about are the supposed government documents that he has in that book. I'm telling you tonight they're real. Those are some of the same documents that I saw in Project Grudge back between 1970 & 1973, and where we have wondered before, now we know that Whitley Streeper IS working for the government. And we had a suspicion anyway because in the front of his book he states that he got information and was helped by the research team of Moore, Shanderey, and Friedman. William Moore has publicly admitted on July the 1st that he is an agent of the United States Government, and we know that the others are too." "This is gonna come out, and the reason they're doing it the way they're doing it is they know eventually you're gonna find out that it's all true and real. They're desensitizing you so that you're not shocked, so that there's no collapse of society as we know it, so that the religious structure doesn't fall to pieces, so that the stock market doesn't go crazy, because these were their original fears. Now, there's nothing we can do about the last one because it's already happened, there will be a segment of the population that worships the aliens, even though they're no different than us they're just from somewhere else, and they may look a little different. They are not gods. But there are already people worshiping the aliens and they predicted this would happen when they slapped the secret stamp all over all this stuff." "You know, there's really nothing wrong with what's been happening except for 3 things;" [Cooper forgot to mention the 3rd thing, or was sidetracked, or included it into the 2nd thing.] Number one, when they decided to keep it secret they needed to finance it, they couldn't tell the public so they couldn't tell Congress. They decided to finance it with the sale, importation and sale, of drugs. Now in the documents that I read, in Operation Majority, it specifically stated that when George Bush was the president and CEO of Sapata [sp] Oil, he, in conjunction with the CIA, organized the first large scale drug importation into this country from South and Central America by fishing boat, to the offshore oil platforms of Sapata Oil, and then from there into the beach, thus bypassing all Customs inspections and law enforcement inspections of any kind. They are still bringing in drugs, to a limited extent, in this manner. Another manner is by CIA contract aircraft which, one of their bases of landing is Homestead [sp] Air Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits from air controllers who have vectored the planes in, who have made sure that they're not interfered with in any way. We have affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air Force Base who say the planes have been met by Zeb Bush, who's George Bush's son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of Mexico, in the offshore oil business, that yes indeed, the drugs are coming in, at least some of them, from the offshore oil platforms." From the audience came a clear statement, "Just say no?" "Pardon? ...Right! Just Say No! Well that's what we're gonna do ladies and gentlemen with your help ...we are going to say NO, no more! And you gotta do it, you gotta act. You either gotta act, or watch your country go down the tubes." "Now, that's one of the things that's wrong. The next thing that's wrong is, to keep the secret, they killed a lot of people who tried to leak it out. And if I hadn't done it the way that I did it, you wouldn't be seeing me anywhere standing or walking on this Earth now. They killed president Kennedy and during the workshop, for those of you haven't seen the tape, I will show you, on the tape, who shot the president and why. Between '70 and '73, in Operation Majority it stated verbatim that President Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to cease the importation and sale of drugs to the American people, that he ordered them to implement a plan to reveal the presence of aliens to the American people within the following year. His assassination was ordered by the policy committee of the Vilderbergers. MJ-12 implemented the plan and carried it out in Dallas. It involved agents of the CIA, Division-5 of the FBI, the Secret Service, and the office of Naval Intelligence. President Kennedy was killed by the driver of his car, his name was William Greer, he used a recoilless, electrically operated, gas powered assassination pistol that was specially built by the CIA to assassinate people at close range. It fired an explosive pellet which injected a large amount of shellfish poison into the brain, and that is why, in the documents, it stated that President Kennedy's brain was removed. If you've studied the case, you will find that indeed his brain disappeared. The reason for that is so that they would not find the particles of the exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would have proved conclusively that Lee Harvy Oswald was NOT the assassin. In fact, Lee Harvy Oswald never fired a shot, he was the patsy." Mr. Cooper paused briefly, and a lady in the audience asked the obvious question, "Why haven't YOU been assassinated?" "If they were to kill me right now, what would you think?" Cooper posed. "That it's the truth," several people chimed. "I've got 'em right where I want 'em. If they touch me, everyone who's ever heard me talk is gonna be absolutely enraged and is gonna know that everything I've said is true. As long as they don't touch me there's gonna be some of you who are always gonna be wondering. But eventually we're gonna bring enough proof out, and if you're here during the workshop you're gonna see an awful lot of it that's gonna prove to you that it's true. It's real. And it's happening!" "Okay, I've tried to cover a lot of stuff, just briefly, because there's no time in 45 minutes to get into anything very much." Mr. Cooper then announced the scheduled workshop session the following day in which tangible proofs could be seen but regrettably I was unable to attend. He then opened up the floor to questions and answers. A muffled question was barely heard coming from the front of the room which in essence asked, "What about all the people in the press and others who were in Dallas and who saw the assassination? Couldn't they tell where the shot came from, why didn't they come forward? There must have been plenty." "There was, we know that there was at least 18 who were all murdered within 2 years of the event. The odds of that happening are 1 in 300,000 trillion," Cooper replied. Again a muffled question, "Why did the DRIVER have to shoot Kennedy?" "Because the other fools missed! There were a total of 3 shots fired at President Kennedy, one hit him in the throat and didn't kill him and 2 of them hit John Connelly [sp]. The one that was fired from the grassy knoll hit the president in the throat. The other 2 shots came from directly behind the limousine, not the school book depository building, and hit Governor Connelly. Governor Connelly, in intelligence community circles, is known as a 'can do' man, because he took 2 hits and still kept his mouth shut." "How is it that the driver, sitting on the front, left-hand side of the car was able to blow off the right side of Kennedy's brain when the bullet actually entered in, and it would have been virtually impossible..." another person asked. Mr. Cooper seized the gist of his question and injected, "For those of you who have been listening to all these talk show hosts, whose job it is to be a talk show host, and who have not done any legitimate research into this, if you come to the workshop, I will show you, on the tape, how it was done. You will see that Kennedy was, in fact slumped over against Jackie, his head was turned [this direction], it was very simple, it was easy and you will see it with your own eyes." Another muffled, off mike question from a member of the audience inquiring why no one else had come forward with the information Mr. Cooper was disseminating, and why those who knew it had kept it secret for so long was quickly answered, "It hasn't been, I'm talkin' about it now. Bill English was talkin' about it 8 years ago but everybody laughed at Bill English. John Lear's been talkin' about it for 3 years and everybody laughed at him. Now there's so many people have been talkin' about it, people are startin' to listen and it's about time. Because it's about time we that we quit being fools, and that's exactly what they think we are and we prove it to them every day." Almost all of the questions from the audience were to faint to hear. The next one dealt with the alien technology and asked in essence, "Hasn't any one else [other than the government] come up with the energy technology that the aliens have?" to which Mr. Cooper answered, "There's been quite a few people who've come up with it and they've ALL been stopped, and they'll all continue to be stopped. Because once you have it you have FREE ENERGY. Once you have free energy they no longer have power over you. You understand? That's why they stop it." > You'll see part 3 after my next netcall... ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Go directly to jail, do not pass 'GO', do not collect $400. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!unidui!flyer!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The text (part 3) Message-ID: <15880772565@tron.gun.de> Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 15:45:00 +0200 Lines: 286 PART 3: Another question asking, "In the film of the assassination which was examined greatly by experts, why didn't THEY conclude that Kennedy's driver shot him?", to which Cooper asked, "Examined by WHO greatly?", and continued, "Most of the film that you can purchase has that segment cut out, and you can always tell it by the person running in the background, they'll run up to here... all of a sudden they'll be down here... running. You will see in most of the clips that you've ever seen on television, or in the movies, or that you're able to get your hands on, you'll see William Greer start to turn like this...", then a muffled comment from the audience, then Cooper answered, "That's because they clipped it out! And on a lot of them, I'll bet you most of you, every time you've seen the clip on television, never looked at the driver anyway. If you're really honest with yourself, and with me, you know your eyes were right on Kennedy." A woman asked if any of the alien technology was being used in present day military equipment and was answered, "Yes, there's a lot of alien technology contained in the Stealth bomber, that's right. The Stealth fighter was flying for 10 years before you even knew it existed." As the hour drew late another question, more clearly stated, was asked of Mr. Cooper by a woman closer to my ears, "Before you let us all out of here, there's a bunch of us here wondering what can we all do to help bring this all out?" A single word, "REVOLT" issued from several listeners simultaneously but Cooper responded, "Don't revolt. What you need to do is what you should have been doing all along. You need to get involved with your government. The first thing you need to do is purchase a copy of the Constitution, which I know that most of you don't have anywhere in your house, and if I were to go around this room and ask each person what the Constitution says, most of you couldn't tell me what the Constitution says from your grocery bill. And that's the truth! And that IS your country! So if you don't know what your Constitution is you're dead already, so the first thing you do is you get a copy of your Constitution. The second thing you do is you learn it! The third thing you do is you start calling your senators and your representatives, and the President of the United States and you start leaning on them, and you tell them, 'Unless you straighten up the government, and unless we start getting the truth, and I mean the whole truth, and no more of this baloney, this's the last job you're ever gonna have, period. And I'll do everything in my power to make sure that comes true.' And then write them, frequently, saying the same thing. And then when they're in your area, in their area offices, take a little delegation and go see them, and make them understand that they're gonna be living in poverty because they're not gonna have a job anymore come election day. You see, the secret government may own the executive branch, but you people, all of us, we own the Congress, and the Congress makes the laws, and the Congress can impeach the entire executive branch! You also have the right to petition the government for a redress of injuries. So you ARE powerful, you've just forgotten that you're powerful, you've forgotten that that vote that you haven't been doing every time election comes around, that vote has abdicated your power. That vote you did not cast abdicated your power and gave it to those who are subverting the Constitution and are ruining this country." A gentleman then asked, "What was traded to the aliens for their technology?" "People and animals," replied Cooper succinctly. Another man asked, "Is the Soviet Union in on any of this?" "The Soviet Union and the United States of America have been close allies since the end of World War II and have been closely participating in the secret space program all this time. The Soviets have the same thing we have, yes. What you see happening in the Soviet block right now is not the result of people standing up and saying, 'We want to be free.' It's the result of the international bankers saying, 'You tear down these barriers, and you meet the West half way, give your people some freedom, the West is gonna take some freedom away from their people so that we can put together a one world economic system ...and have all the power. That's what's happening! If you don't believe it, stick around and watch it!" A dubious woman then asked, "Why was the shellfish poison necessary? A lot of his brain was blown off anyway." Cooper: "The shellfish poison? If you go to kill someone, one thing I've learned, I learned it real good, I learned it especially good when I went to Vietnam; just 'cause you shoot someone doesn't mean they're gonna die. And if they don't die, they're gonna be MAD. And if they've got a gun, you're dead. So you want the first time to be the last time. So if you really want to to kill somebody you don't play around. If you REALLY want to kill somebody ...you KILL them, you don't play, you make sure that when you shoot them, they're dead. That way they can't hurt you, can't hurt you at all." Regrettably, the next question was totally unintelligible, I was thankful however that Mr. Cooper had a good public address system to amplify his reply, "The first moon landing was May the 22nd, 1962... or excuse me, that was the first landing on Mars. I'm sorry, May the 22nd, 1962 was the winged probe that used a hydrozine propeller, flew around approximately 3 orbits and landed on May the 22nd, 1962, was a joint United States / Russian endeavor. The first time that we landed on the moon was sometime during the ...probably middle 50's, because at the time when President Kennedy stated that he wanted a man to set foot on the moon by the end of the decade we already had a base there." "What about Mars?" came another quick question. "We have a base on Mars also," Cooper calmly replied. "When did that happen?" "I don't know the exact date but I know the project's name, it was 'Adam and Eve'." "How long have you known about this?" "Well, I revealed it publicly for the first time on July the 2nd, 1989, and within 3 weeks of the time I revealed it publicly, the government, to get the American people not to listen to me, came out and said that they planned to build a base on the moon and a colony on Mars. Now, 3 days previous to my speech, representatives from NASA said, 'We can never have a colony on Mars, it's impossible that there's a colony on Mars because Mars is a dead planet.' And it's NOT a dead planet, they've lied to you about Mars." "My name is Dave [unintelligible], I'm a representative of the Crystic Institute, and I'd like to know why it was that when we sent a representative down to your home, at your request, you failed to produce any documentation to substantiate your allegations." "In the first place it was NOT at my request, I have never contacted the Crystic Institute in my life. I was on the Carol Hemingway Show, she contacted the Crystic institute, she told Daniel Shehan [sp] that I had just said something about Bush and drugs on her show. HE called ME and told me he wanted to send an investigator, in fact he told me to even help the investigator because he was new at the job, his name was Wayne Nelson, he is a very good gentleman, he stayed at my house for 2 days, slept overnight on my couch, I gave him everything I had. I never told Daniel Shehan that I had any documents and I never told Wayne Nelson that I had any documents. In fact what I told Wayne Nelson, and I quote, 'Wayne, if I did have the documents I couldn't admit it and I don't know you from Adam, and I don't know Daniel Shehan from Adam and what makes you think I would give them to you.' Who am I going to give them to and how quick are they going to disappear, that was my thought. Wayne Nelson also came to my house with a stack of documents this thick already substantiating the presence of aliens and extraterrestrial craft on this planet, and they are keeping it a secret, because they're afraid somebody'll laugh at them and they'll loose their credibility." "We need some patriots in this country, not people trying to make a name for themselves, trying to expose some drug runners, because those are just the bagmen. The real crook is in the White House! And you can tell THAT to Daniel Shehan!" "Why didn't Jackie Kennedy report [the source of the lethal shot]?" asked another audience member. "Who's she gonna tell? The Secret Service just killed her husband and they're assigned to protect the President. Also, who had her children? The same Secret Service had her children at the time." "Wasn't the craft at Roswell, New Mexico destroyed and all the aliens killed?" another young man asked. "All the aliens were dead but the craft was not completely destroyed, it was severely damaged yes." On an unrelated note an older gentleman asked, "Does that mean that 'Alternative 3' is true?" "Alternative 3 is absolutely true and so is 'Alternative 2'." Then a man in his late 20's or early 30's raised his hand, said something I couldn't hear, and was apparently recognized by Mr. Cooper who asked him to take the podium and address the audience. "What I said was that I thanked him [Cooper] very much for coming forward and saying something. A lot of my friends out here know that I was involved in the United States Special Forces, UFO Tracking and Research from the years 1971 to 1975. My name is Richard Murray, I was based out of the 71st Tac Controll Flight, McDill Air Force Base, Tampa, Florida. We were 'Mobile Radar Command,' that was combat and war ready. We could be loaded on aircraft within an hour and many times were taken into areas [to] set up radar. A lot of times we were set up around Egland [sp] Air Force Base because that's where they have the 'Altered Temperature Weather Control', where they can test various aircraft for their shrinkage and their dimension change during altered temperature. So, you know, I was told to shut up twice in 1982 and they finally threatened my parents life so I stayed quiet, and, that's when Wendel Stevens was taken off the streets... Just like that! And I hid for quite awhile, and decided to come back out when I heard that you're [Cooper] of such high rank as you were, and I felt just in saying that your credentials are true, and that what you have to say, everything you've said here today, I've heard before behind closed doors. And you've really tied the link for me to the Kennedy killing. And there's a few more links that have to go on with the Columbia Cartel and the money laundering. I think there's more than one cartel involved, and they're shutting one of them down so one can maintain a power, it just seems to be the way it works." A muffled question then came from someone in the audience regarding the person referred to as "Colonel Stevens." "Uh, Colonel Stevens is out of jail now," replied Murray who was quickly asked another question I couldn't hear to which he answered, "I sure hope to hell so, he is a wonderful man and I give him my utmost respect and it was one of the saddest days in my life to see what happened to him happen to him. But I don't care what they say about Wendel Stevens, in my heart you can't discredit that man to me. I don't care who the hell you are. I won't listen to it, I don't give a shit if he was screwin' babies. You know... that doesn't... he's not that kind of a man, I don't care what you say, I know him personally." The lecture was then essentially over. The "Alternative 2 and 3" that were referred to briefly are, to the best of my knowledge, two government contingency plans and I don't know which is which, to 1: Declare Martial Law and invalidate the Constitution on the premise that a terrorist group had entered the country with a Nuclear weapon with plans to detonate it in a major city. All dissidents would be rounded up and placed in concentration camps and the press and media would be nationalized. All this, if the information becomes public before they want it to or if the aliens attempt a takeover, and 2: Another contingency plan to contain or delay the release of this information, the details of which I am probably wrong about anyway. My own personal reaction to Milton William Cooper; Mr. Cooper is a man who appears to be in his late fourties, of medium height and weight, and was dressed casually when I saw him. His hairline was receding slightly and he carried himself with confidence and purpose. Bill Cooper, as he was called by several in attendance, is not a professional speaker. His presentation lacked the polish of repeated deliveries which all the other lectures I heard during the Expo. had, but what it lacked in fine tuning was easily made up for in its content. Weather or not everyone in the audience was convinced of his sincerity I do not know, but the thunderous peal of applause which exploded as he concluded the session spoke for me and the majority of those in attendance. I am convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that Bill Cooper believes everything he said, and I'm about as skeptical as they come. Please read the attached file written by Milton William Cooper which describes some of the government operations, projects, and code names that pertain to the above transcript. Perhaps from the two documents you can reach your own conclusions as to what 'Alternative 2 and 3' are. The following is the original file "OPER-MAJ.TXT" which introduced Mr. Cooper to me. OPERATION MAJORITY FINAL RELEASE COPYRIGHT BY MILTON WILLIAM COOPER ALL RIGHTS RESERVED YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO QUOTE FROM THIS INFORMATION IN PRESS RELEASES, PERIODICALS, AND SPEECHES. INCLUSION IN ANY OTHER MEDIA REQUIRES MY EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION. This file contains the absolute true information regarding the alien presence on earth and the US Government's involvement with the aliens.This file contains only the information as I saw it and only my information.It does not contain any information from any other source. It was necessary for me to issue the information previous to this release in a manner which would deceive the Government until someone was able to independently confirm my identity, my employment, my service record, my intelligence background, the identity of the person to which I gave the information in 1972, his acknowledgment of the information and when it was given to him, that the information is correct, that I have not seen him since 1974, and that I have not communicated with him in any form since 1976.This was necessary because this file is my death warrant if MJ-12 continues to operate in a manner consistent with its history. All in the last paragraph has been independently verified by 2 different people who have no connection with each other. I will only list one for obvious reasons. Tony Pelham, Journalist Las Vegas Bullet, (Newspaper) 300 West Boston Las Vegas, Nevada89102 The original information that I first released was not much MAJI that I was not a threat long enough to have independent verification of the facts before I risked death. [TRANSMISSION GARBLED] I wish to make it absolutely clear that I do not consider myself a hero.I believe that most of you would do the same thing if you knew the truth.I gave an oath that I would uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States of America and I take that oath very seriously.I am doing no more now than I did when I fought in Vietnam.I am doing my duty. > You'll see part 4 (the last one) after my next netcall... ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Go directly to jail, do not pass 'GO', do not collect $400. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!unidui!flyer!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jörg Löhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The text (part 4, the last one) Message-ID: <15896492398@tron.gun.de> Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 20:08:00 +0200 Lines: 277 PART 4: Please make copies of this file and send it to your Congressman, your Senator, the Attorney General of the United States, and to the Supreme Court.Send it also to everyone you know.Attach copies of the Bill English file and John Lears file.Send anything else you may have which tends to support the information. I, Milton William Cooper, 1311 S. Highland #205, Fullerton, California, 92632, (714) 680-9537, do solemnly swear that the information contained in this file is true and correct to the best of my knowledge.I swear that I saw this information in 1972 in the performance of my duties as a member of the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander In Chief of the Pacific Fleet as a Petty Officer in the US Navy.I swear that I underwent hypnotic regression in order to make the information as accurate as possible.I swear that I can and will take a lie detector test or any other test of any reputable person's choosing in order to confirm this information.I swear that I can and will undergo hypnotic regression conducted by any reputable and qualified Doctor of any reputable person's choosing in order to confirm this information.I will not, however submit to any test or hypnosis by anyone who is now or has ever been connected with the Government in any capacity for obvious reasons. The following is brief listing of everything that I personally saw and know from 1972 and does not contain any input from any other source whatsoever. MAJESTY was listed as the code word for the President of the United States for communications concerning this information. OPERATION MAJORITY is the name of the operation responsible for every aspect, project, and consequence of alien presence on earth. GRUDGE Contains 16 volumes of documented information collected from the beginning of the United States investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO's) and Identified Alien Crafts (IAC). The project was funded by CIA confidential funds (non-appropriated) and money from the illicit drug trade. Participation in the illegal drug trade was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society. The purpose of project GRUDGE was to collect all scientific, technological, medical and intelligence information from UFO/IAC sightings and contacts with alien life forms.This orderly file of collected information has been used to advance the United States Space Program. MJ-12 is the name of the secret control group. President Eisenhower commissioned a secret society known as THE JASON SOCIETY (JASON SCHOLARS) to sift through all the facts, evidence, technology, lies and deception and find the truth of the alien question. The society was made up of 32 of the most prominent men in the country in 1972 and the top 12 members were designated MJ-12. MJ-12 has total control over everything. They are designated by the codes J-1, J-2, etc all the way through the members of the Jason Society. The director of the CIA was appointed J-1 and is the Director of MJ-12. MJ- 12 is responsible only to the President. MJ-12 runs most of the world's illegal drug trade.This was done to hide funding and thus keep the secret from the Congress and the people of the United States.It was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society.The cost of funding the alien connected projects is higher than anything you can imagine. MJ-12 assassinated President Kennedy when he informed them that he was going to tell the public all the facts of the alien presence.He was killed by the Secret Service agent driving his car and it is plainly visible in the film held from public view. A secret meeting place was constructed for MJ-12 in MARYLAND and it was described as only accessible by air.It contains full living, recreational, and other facilities for MJ-12 and the JASON SOCIETY.It is code named "THE COUNTRY CLUB". Only those with TOP SECRET/MAJIC clearance are allowed to go there. MAJI is the MAJORITY AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE. All information, disinformation, and intelligence is gathered and evaluated by this agency.This agency is responsible for all disinformation and operates in conjunction with the CIA, NSA, and the Defense Intelligence Agency.This is a very powerful organization and all alien projects are under its control.MAJI is responsible only to MJ-12. SIGMA is the project which first established communications with the aliens and is still responsible for communications. PLATO is the project responsible for Diplomatic relations with the aliens.This project secured a formal treaty (illegal under the Constitution) with the aliens.The terms were that the aliens would give us technology.In return we agreed to keep their presence on earth a secret, not to interfere in any way with their actions, and to allow them to abduct humans and animals.The aliens agreed to furnish MJ-12 with a list of abductees on a periodic basis. MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all alien connected material, projects, and information.MAJIC means MAJI Controlled. AQUARIUS is a project which compiled the history of alien presence and their interaction with Homo Sapiens upon this planet for the last 25,000 years and culminating with the Basque people who live in the mountainous country on the border of France and Spain and the Syrians. GARNET is the project responsible for control of all information and documents regarding this subject and accountability of the information and documents. PLUTO is a project to evaluate all UFO/ IAC information pertaining to space ....... [TRANSMISSION GARBLED] POUNCE is the project formed to recover all downed/ crashed craft and aliens. REDLIGHT is the project to test fly recovered alien craft.It is conducted at AREA 51 (DREAMLAND) in Nevada.It was aided when the aliens gave us craft and helped us fly them.The initial project was somewhat successful in that we flew a recovered craft but it blew up in the air and the pilots were killed.The project was suspended at that time until the aliens agreed to help us. SNOWBIRD was established as a cover for project REDLIGHT. Several flying saucer type craft were built using conventional technology.They were unveiled to the press and flown in front of the press.The purpose was to explain accidental sightings or disclosure of REDLIGHT as having been the SNOWBIRD craft. LUNA is the alien base on the far side of the Moon.It was seen and filmed by the Apollo Astronauts.A base, a mining operation using very large machines, and the very large alien craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there. NRO is the National Recon Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado.It is responsible for security for all alien or alien craft connected projects. DELTA is the designation for the specific arm of the NRO which is especially trained and tasked with security of these projects. JOSHUA is a project to develop a low frequency pulsed sound generating weapon.It was said that this weapon would be effective against the alien craft and beam weapons. EXCALIBUR is a weapon to destroy the alien underground bases. It is to be a missile capable of penetrating 1000 meters of Tuff/hard packed soil such as that found in New Mexico with no operational damage.Missile apogee not to exceed 30,000 feet AGL and impact must not deviate in excess of 50 meters from designated target.The device will carry a 1 megaton nuclear warhead. ALIENS, there were 4 types of aliens mentioned in the papers. A LARGE NOSED GREY with whom we have the treaty, the GREY reported in abductee cases that works for the LARGE NOSED GREY, a blond human like type described as the NORDIC, a red haired human like type called the ORANGE. The home of the aliens were described as being a star in the Constellation of Orion, Barnards star, and Zeta Riticuli 1 and 2. I cannot remember even under hypnosis which alien belongs to which star. EBE is the name or designation given to the live alien captured at the 1949 Roswell crash. He died in captivity. KRLL OR KRLLL OR CRLL OR CRLLL pronounced Crill or Krill was the hostage left with us at the first Holloman landing as a pledge that the aliens would carry out their part of the basic agreement reached during that meeting. KRLL gave us the foundation of the yellow book which was completed by the guests at a later date. KRLL became sick and was nursed by Dr. G. Mendoza who became the expert on alien biology and medicine. KRLL later died. His information was disseminated under the pseudonym O.H. Cril or Crill. GUESTS were aliens exchanged for humans who gave us the balance of the yellow book. At the time I saw the information there were only 3 left alive. They were called (P&#'s) Alien Life Forms ....... [TRANSMISSION GARBLED] RELIGION The aliens claim to have created Homo Sapiens through hybridization. The papers said that RH-blood was proof of this. They further claimed to have created all four major religions. They showed a hologram of the crucifixion of Christ which the Government filmed. They claim that Jesus was created by them. ALIEN BASES exist in the four corners area of Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada. Six bases were described in the 1972 papers, all on indian reservations and all in the four corners area. The base near Dulce was one of them. MURDER The documents stated that many military and government personnel had been terminated (murdered without due process of law) when they had attempted to reveal the secret. CRAFT RECOVERIES The documents stated that many craft had been recovered. The early ones from Roswell, Aztec, Roswell again, Texas, Mexico, and other places. GENERAL DOOLITTLE made a prediction that one day we would have to reckon with the aliens and the document stated that it appeared that General Doolittle was correct. ABDUCTIONS were occurring long before 1972. The document stated that humans and animals were being abducted and or mutilated. Many vanished without a trace. They were taking sperm and ova samples, tissue, performed surgical operations, implanted a spherical device 40 to 80 microns in size near the optic nerve in the brain and all attempts to remove it resulted in the death of the patient. The document estimated that 1 in every 40 people had been implanted. This implant was said to give the aliens total control of that human. CONTINGENCY PLAN SHOULD THE INFORMATION BECOME PUBLIC OR SHOULD THE ALIENS ATTEMPT A TAKEOVER. This plan called for a public announcement that a terrorist group had entered the United States with an Atomic weapon. It would be announced that the terrorists planned to detonate the weapon in a major city. Martial Law would be declared and all persons with implants would be rounded up along with all dissidents and would be placed into concentration camps. The press, radio, and TV would be nationalized and controlled. Anyone attempting to resist would be arrested or killed. CONTINGENCY PLAN TO CONTAIN OR DELAY RELEASE OF INFORMATION This plan called for the use of MAJESTIC TWELVE as a disinformation ploy to delay and confuse the release of information should anyone get close to the truth. It was selected because of the similarity of spelling and the similarity to MJ-12. It was designed to confuse memory and to result in a fruitless search for material which did not exist. SOURCE OF MATERIAL CONTAINED IN THE DOCUMENTS WHICH I SAW The source of the material was an ONI counter-intelligence operation against MJ-12 in order for the Navy to find out the truth of what was really going on.The Navy (at that time or at least the Navy that I worked for) were not participants in any of this.The different services and the government conduct this type of operation against each other all the time. The result of this operation was that the Navy cut themselves in for a piece of the action (technology) and control of some projects. As you can see this file is only a little different from my previous file. Only some names were scrambled previously to confuse the government long enough for someone to verify that what I have said is the truth.I have added information in this file that puts me in absolute danger. I have sent a copy of this file to people all over the country and will continue to do so. Please get this file into as many hands as you can and maybe that will protect me but I doubt it. HISTORY WILL BE THE JUDGE OF ME AND THIS INFORMATION AND I HAVE NO FEAR OF THAT JUDGEMENT. I SWEAR THAT THIS INFORMATION IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. I wish to thank all those people who have aided me in reaching this point and for their patience and understanding. I owe you all more than I can ever repay. Finally, it does not matter who is right and who is wrong or if a project name is in the wrong place. It does not matter who is working for who or what is really what. It should be obvious by now that something sinister and terribly wrong is going on involving the government and the UFO phenomenon. We must all band together and expose it now. I have done my part in the best manner that I could. I can add nothing else except my testimony in Congress or a court of law that what I saw and have written in this file is true and that I saw it. Everything in my previous file that does not conflict with this file is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and some of it is from sources and research. You may combine the files to get the entire picture. Throw out only that information which conflicts with that contained in this file. There will be no further additions or corrections to this information either now or in the future. My file is complete and stands to be judged by history. Sometime in the future the exact papers that I saw will surface and you will all see this exact information contained within them. --- End --- > This was the last part of "ALIENS.TXT". Please capture these 4 parts and put it together to 1 file for uploading it in local BBS's greets Joerg ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Go directly to jail, do not pass 'GO', do not collect $400. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11732 alt.alien.visitors:9271 sci.skeptic:30744 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!jcatesii From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep10.011001.10801@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <65501@cup.po Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:10:01 GMT Lines: 9 John, We've seen this post perhaps 4 times in the past week. It made it, it has been seen. There's no reason to repeat this until I begin hallucinating/ Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11733 alt.alien.visitors:9272 sci.skeptic:30745 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65562@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:05:33 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <26rnvhb@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Sep9.170823.13966@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Lines: 5 Dear Learned People: It sure sounds like Tom R. is a smart fellow. I made a small mistake in sending a lot of informationto Hari in Europe when it should have been Marla of Rutgers, anyway I got it all straightened out. I'll see everyone after the flight tonight. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!jcatesii From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) Subject: Re: Loose Lips Message-ID: <1992Sep10.012427.11375@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1992Sep2.144556.11189@walter.bellcore.com> <1992Sep4.071358. Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:24:27 GMT Lines: 23 As for their being no mention (official) of any UFO at Roswell you are wrong, of course. Are you forgetting or simply denying that the Roswell AAF Press Officer did release exactly that story to the Press? That did happen, it's a simple fact. Now, does'nt it seem awfully unlikely and absurd to imagine that an officer (and he who gave him the story) would simply fabricate that? Absurd, he was the only one in that office, ie. it would be obvious that he made the release, why on Earth would he shoot himself in the foot with a bogus story? Are we going to think that perhaps he released a totally unsubstantiated sottory? I'll make no assumptions about anything, but I will look at clear facts and insist that they be upheld as such. Hell, I don't know whahappened, nor do you, but none of us can deny that the press release was made and that it's unlikely that it was a hoax or a mistake given its source. I imagine that if one were to try to find one glaring fact in the whole question that this might be the strongest candidate. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The text (part 2) Message-ID: <65565@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:31:15 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <15867858347@tron.gun.de> Lines: 0 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!jcatesii From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <1992Sep10.015655.12092@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <65195@cup.portal.com> <65367@cup.portal.com> <65542@cup.port Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:56:55 GMT Lines: 19 With all due respect John, why do you insist on posting these articles repetatively. I've seen numerous reposts of the same story time and again. Also, one feels as if there is a group of people sitting around a table discussing a given topic while you sit in the corner and talk aloud about something entirely unrelated and do so as if the group is ' er..'in' on your story. Personally, I have'nt a clue as to who some of these people are, what you are talking about, etc. "...Jet planes that rich people own..." - no comment. I do wish this group would stay on topic and supervise themselves in a sane, thoughtful fashion. Jim Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11735 alt.alien.visitors:9276 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!jcatesii From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <1992Sep10.020235.12255@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <64264@cup.portal.com> <65545@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:02:35 GMT Lines: 8 Damnit John, This is the third time I've seen this message today, you need to use some common sense or speak to the folks at Portal about a problem if you only posted this once! Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11736 alt.alien.visitors:9277 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65571@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:41:39 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> Lines: 33 Subject: My Friend Len. Part 4. After getting to within 1 mile of the IFO site Len checked with me again and at this time I was really feeling heavy. It was just as if I was on another planet that had a stronger gravity than ours. I thought of Mars and how it would probubly take short sturdy bodies to live on such a planet. We then turned off Niles Canyon Road on to a paved road going north towards a town that ends with the name Valley and I really started feeling heavy. I was being pressed towards the back of the seat with such force that I had difficulty breathing. My head was being pushed back against the head rest and I was really bending backwards. Len then told me that we were going to be initiated by the people in the flying saucers. While all of this was happening to me his feet were feeling like they were about to burn up so he was being initiated too. From time to time Len would tell me when a spiritual space being would come into the car although the windows were rolled up and the car had been moving down the road. The very last thing that happened was that something felt like it was sticking up into my back to straighten it out and then a tremendous amount of energy was put into my back for 2 or 3 minutes. While all this was happening I had the feeling that my eyes should remain closed even when we were leaving the area and Len told me that there was an IFO following us down the road. My eyes didn't open until we were nearly out of the area. I did look up then and could only make out a large bluish white light that was very big. I commented to Len that it couldn't be that big could it? It looked to me to be about 200 feet across. Len said, "It's pretty big". Len also showed me an area near where we had our experience that a person from Fremont, Calif. had made a plaster of paris cast of the footprint of a Sasquatch (hairy 8 foot humanoid beings, sometimes called Big Foot, and on the mountains of Nepal a different species is called Yeti or abominable snowman). The person that made the cast of the Big Foot also had a daughter who was a changeling. End of Part 4. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65576@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:21:02 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <61006@cup.portal.com> Lines: 30 Subject: Ruins of a 30,000 Year Old City. Part 4a. We then were shown our final destination which was about 7 miles away but we had to drive around to the starting area by way of a road for about 3 miles. The area we were hiking in is called the trail to the Split Rock Picnic Area (that's the real name). R. is a person who is a caucasian but he understands the American Indian Way of doing things. He brought an Indian drum and malet with him and hit it ever so often to let the spirts in the area know that we were coming. I was convienced that he was telling the truth. This area had been used in the past as a place of initiation for Indians. As we came into the ruins of the city it was pointed out across the way a large stone structure that looked like a statue of a head (about 120 feet tall). R. then showed us a picture taken of a painting from India. It was a picture of one of the gods (dieties) from India called Kali. The picture showed the god Kali in three faces, the present, past and future. As we went more and more around and past the statue it was obvious to me that it was the same statue as the picture. It was pointed out that the state California was made of three words, the first word Cali comes from Kali. The last word ia comes from the god Ea. The middle word forn comes from the word form. In total it say Kali and Ea formed (the land). The Chumash Indians said these people living in the city named California. If you want to get into a big discussion just try to find out where the name Mount Shasta comes from. Even the word Chumash comes from the country of India. A person once asked R. how old is the city? He said that the city, according to my research was first colonized some 30,000 yearts ago by beings from the Pleiades and Orion star systems via Alpha Centares. The primitive earthlings were 7 to 8 foot tall and were already partially intermixed with the much older Reptilian races who have since left the world. The Los Angeles Basin is still recognized by native Ameriacan Indians as The Lost Land of the Lizard People. End Part 4a. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!zazen!psl.wisc.edu!emmel From: emmel@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Grant Emmel) Subject: Re: The text (part 1) Message-ID: <1992Sep10.033429.17639@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> Summary: Please repost 'The text (part 1) Keywords: text, part, alien Sender: emmel@psl.wisc.edu Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin References: <15867858347@tron.gun.de> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:34:29 GMT Lines: 9 Like the summary says, please repost 'The text (part 1)' if it exists (I couldn't find it?) Thanks ahead of time. Grant Emmel emmel@psl.wisc.edu Physical Sciences Lab: expanding the edge of science. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!andromeda.rutgers.edu!mccabe From: mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Kissinger spills the beans? Message-ID: Date: 10 Sep 92 05:05:50 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 17 There was some guy on the radio this morning (100.3 FM, NYC) who said Henry Kissinger stated that President Bush would be revealing a massive UFO coverup this October. The guy on the radio said that Bush will do this because our current government has been involved in some very, very, secret dealings with some sort of Alien race, and that now is definately not the time to change presidents. I think the guy on the radio said that Henry Kissinger made the statement in front of some European Government Committe. Ofcourse, this is hard to swallow, but this was no radio talk show. The radio guys were treating it like any other daily news story. Anybody else hear anything? Chris. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!wupost!uwm.edu!news.mr.med.ge.com!bonfire!hinz From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) Subject: Re: Who is Rodenberry? Message-ID: <1992Sep10.044810.23773@mr.med.ge.com> Sender: news@mr.med.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: bonfire Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 References: <1992Sep9.134308.5682@ncmicro.lonestar.org> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 04:48:10 GMT Lines: 25 Lance Franklin (ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org) wrote: : In article <1992Sep8.115730.13003@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes: : }Rod Beckwith (rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com) wrote: : }: Andre,[you write] : }: : }: >Who is Rodenberry? : }: : }: : }: Who created Star Trek? : }: : }: Rod : }: : }Star Trek? : : What is the Science Fiction show Gene Roddenberry created? : Ok, now I'll take Ancient Greek Architecture for $200. : : Lance "Jeopardy" Franklin Science FICTION? Damn, I thought it was a documentary. -- Dave Hinz - Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. Obviously. hinzd@picard.med.ge.com Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!rhys From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Kissinger spills the beans? Message-ID: <10241@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> Date: 10 Sep 92 06:02:15 GMT References: Sender: news@cs.uq.oz.au Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au Lines: 36 In mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe) writes: > There was some guy on the radio this morning (100.3 FM, NYC) who > said Henry Kissinger stated that President Bush would be revealing > a massive UFO coverup this October. The guy on the radio said > that Bush will do this because our current > government has been involved in some very, very, secret > dealings with some sort of Alien race, and that now is definately > not the time to change presidents. I think the guy on the > radio said that Henry Kissinger made the statement in front > of some European Government Committe. Well, sitting here Down Under, I find the idea of Bush announcing a massive UFO coverup very intriguing. Just consider, Bush admits that a coverup has been occuring in the past and continuing while he was in power, and then says "I'm a nice, honest guy, re-elect me". Frankly, I don't expect any such announcement until after the election, if at all. Bush is not stupid enough to cut his own throat in that fashion. Bush would have to convince the American people that he had nothing to do with it and is just exposing secret military factions and the like, blah, blah, blah. But I can't see enough people swallowing that to make a difference to the election outcome. I'll be the happiest person on the planet if it does happen (announcement of aliens, etc), but I can't see it happening. Given the current political climate, it would more likely be a blow-up of the Middle East or Eastern Europe that causes Bush to put on his "tough hat" again and argue that changing Presidents is not a good idea, rather than aliens. I could be wrong. Cheers, Rhys. -- Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia. rhys@cs.uq.oz.au "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!news2me.ebay.sun.com!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!texsun!csccat!ncmicro!ltf From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: CATS FROM OUTER SPACE! Message-ID: <1992Sep9.213019.10680@ncmicro.lonestar.org> Date: 9 Sep 92 21:30:19 GMT References: <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org> <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc. Lines: 43 In article <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu writes: }In article <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org>, bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes: }> Recently i viewed a walt disney movie called THE CAT FROM OUTER SPACE. }> I heard from a friend that this was a TRUE story, found out about by }> walt disney from sources, so maybe next time you see a cat, it might }> be an alien visitor.. hmmmm... meow }> }GET REAL...NEXT YOU'LL BE SAYING THAT THE LITTLE AMEBOID SCUM(OR WHATEVER THEY }ARE) ON OUR SKIN ARE ACTUALLY ALIEN VISITOR. Oh, don't be absurd...of course they're not aliens...they do, however, work for the aliens. Oh, and they don't appreciate the Scum appelation... }DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M }PERFECTLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT THE CUTE, FURRY DECESDENTS OF THE GREAT }CATS(IF YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION) ARE ACTUALLY OUR WORST ENEMY JUST WAITING }FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT TO SUCK OUR BREATH OUT WHEN WE'RE ASLEEP AND CONQUER THE }WORLD. The cats are not your enemies...They are our friends. They are, of course, working to take over the planet, but it is for our own good! It's them damned squirrels that are our enemies! But you'll learn, sooner or later. }THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WALT DISNEY WOULD HAVE IS HIS IMGINATION(WHICH IS NOT }A BAD SOURCE--BUT IT IS INVALID HERE). AND ANOTHER THING...DIDN'T THAT CAT }IN THE MOVIE WEAR SOMETHING(A NECKLACE--IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I SEEN THE }MOVIE)ANYWAY HOW MANY CATS DO YOU SEE THAT WEAR NECKLACES OR WHATEVER??!! Well, they wouldn't wear them while YOU are watching...you obviously aren't ready for them yet. Are you sure you aren't working for the Squirrels? Lance -- Lance T. Franklin +----------------------------------------------+ (ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org) | "You want I should bop you with this here | NC Microproducts, Inc. | Lollipop?!?" The Fat Fury | Richardson, Texas +----------------------------------------------+ Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!csn!scicom!paranet!f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG!Andre.Eichner From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Is Technology a dead end? Message-ID: <139989.2AAEE31D@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 8 Sep 92 00:37:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 2:2403/10 - FidoNet Berli, Berlin 41 Lines: 118 Hello Jeff! Answering a msg of , from Jeff Papineau to All: > In the final analysis, we don't really need technology after a certainpoint. > We do need communications of a sort, we need transport, but we need to > know when > to say enough, and focus on stopping war, famine, drought, and bring the > entire mass of humanity along with us on the path... > The other major issue is that, ultimately, all technology is in our heads. Very good! That's also my opinion. Did you have connections to other dimmensions? To Ramtha, Ashtar, Toth, Vywamus, Jesus or anything else? Did you get your information from over there? > And bilocate, and telekinesis, and astral-traval, and remote view. > These are the ultimate final frontiers, beyond what we see on Star Trek. Right! Beeming in StarTrek is like teleportation, but nobody will believe that mankind is able to move from on point to another point without physical technology. So StarTrek have used a crutch for every limited mind. > Because if we can evolve into that which our teachers have tried to > show us we really are, then we possess the wonders of the universe > within each and every one of us, and we could be waisting our time > looking to external devices to do thise things for us, instead of > developing our own conciousness by other means. Very good, who is your teacher? Ramtha? Saint Germain? Did you read the "33 spells" or "alchemy" by Saint Germain? > manifestation of our free will. At some point, evolution of consciousness > requires that entities form union of conciouseness, but that's another > subject > I won't get into right now. Do it! I'm awaiting... > At a certain point in evolution, one could argue, we lose any necessity > of having a body... But you have refined to do a physical experience on this planet... I too. > or we can choose to have or not have a body at > any time, through our use of free will, such as the Masters have shown us. > But now this is getting further out than most people want to think about > at this time. No, I don't think so... I love you... I am pleased that we are not alone on this planet, with this knowledge. And it will be more and more lovely beings. We have build a special newsgroup for interdimensional communication... (UFO.GER at @krypta.in-berlin.de or 2:2403/999@fidonet) > Well, his company has contracted to do remote-viewing of past/present > > /future events for the goernment, and he will be speaking about it at the > > conference. Is it the truth? Very bad!!! This techology in wrong hands is very bad for this planet :-((( > Can you imagin the power of being able to predict accuratly, future events, > or being able to go back in time, to view past ones? It's impossible to look at the real future! Only in the future, that the consciousness is manifesting in the moment... tomorrow the consciousness can change to feature... You can try to build a future, if you circulate a future vision via the TV and newspaper. But the people must believe that. Some black elements in the german mass media try to build a new faschism with special Messages in the news... Most of the people think thats real and they creating the situation for the feature, shown in the news... Another question... What you are thinking about this? -> > From: c8838228@cc.newcastle.edu.au (DO YOU HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR > MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors > In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, > Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes: > > A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman > claiming to be an alien. > She said that she was an incorporeal being from another dimension who > decided to inhabit a human infant and grow up in our culture. The What dimension does he mean? Some beings come from light dimensions at this time. Is it possible that she is comming from the lower earth levels of the fourth dimension? > reason for this is that her colleagues were going to destroy the earth > in 1997 because of mankinds potential to develope interdimensional > transport (they also think that we are sick and disgusting, no suprise > there). It sounds like illuminati of the fourth dimension... Did you read the book about the illuminati? > She is of the opinion that we have some redeming qualities and does > not want us to be destroyed just yet. > Believe it or not, this is not fiction. Has anyone else heard of > incorporeal biengs in human bodies wanting to destroy the earth? I think, no chance... the earth is protectet by Ashtar and any other! best wishes Andre internet: andre@krypta.in-berlin.de FidoNet.: 2:2403/999 -- Andre Eichner - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!vancleef From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium? Message-ID: <13733.2aaeaa32@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> Date: 10 Sep 92 01:51:46 EDT Lines: 10 I have tried to figure out just what the heck this John Winston character is always babbling about, to no avail. Is it just me or does it seem like he (and his mirror image Gary Stollman) are on some 24-hour a day/7 days a week Lithium trip or something? Inquiring minds want to know! -Garrett Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9286 alt.conspiracy:18255 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!das.wang.com!wang!news From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel Date: 10 Sep 92 12:14:39 GMT Message-ID: <2337@itexjct.jct.ac.il> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors References: <_csng1a.garys@netcom.com> Keywords: aliens,clones,invasion,stollman Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 7 Gosh, I hope they don't take away Usenet to keep Gary from posting to it. -- /|/-\/-\ The entire kitchen Jerusalem |__/__/_/ is a very cold carrot. |warren@ But the farmer / nysernet.org is hungry. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11742 alt.alien.visitors:9287 sci.skeptic:30765 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65606@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:20:36 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <3tmn!h#@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <26rnvhb@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Sep9.170823.13966@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <65562@cup.portal.com> Lines: 4 Greetings and Hallucinations: James it's good that you got the information. I just got back from the OOBE feeling like a 30,000 year old fiddle. I hope this day treats you all well. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!sunova!ireland!rocko From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary) Subject: Re: Winstollman. Acid AND Lithium ! Message-ID: <1992Sep10.131602.8141@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: rocko@ireland (Rick O'leary) Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.3.8.49 Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology References: <13733.2aaeaa32@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:16:02 GMT Lines: 61 In article <13733.2aaeaa32@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: |> I have tried to figure out just what the heck this John Winston character |> is always babbling about, to no avail. Is it just me or does it seem like |> he (and his mirror image Gary Stollman) are on some 24-hour a day/7 days |> a week Lithium trip or something? |> |> Inquiring minds want to know! |> |> -Garrett |> |> Look, You are new here. You do not know who you are speaking of. We think that John and Gary are the single greatest people/aliens/CIA agents that have ever posted to this think tank of a group. Allow me to explain this group. Readers and writers of a.a.v. are made up of: A) People that have had contact.(Rarely post... obvious reasons) B) Government paid disinformation people. (Poor to fair fiction) C) Questioning/Inquiring minds (post weak questions, but mean well) D) Wanderers (Just passing through, make snide remarks if any) E) A few who think aliens are out there but haven't/won't come here. F) A few who think aliens are with us know but have had no contact. G) Aliens (Grey, life sucking, infader of utopia) H) Guys like me that just can't unsubscribe from this group. (It's just to much fun. Life looks darker and things aren't very clear. (guess this belongs in alt.consp....) But when all else falls through pull up a.a.v. and smile. Someone is always a little worse off than you are and here is one sure fired place to find one. love and kisses Rocko * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **** * ** **** ** ** ******* **** ***** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ******* ** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* * ** *** *** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* ** *** ******* ****** ** **** @@@@@@@ @ @@@@ @@ @@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ **** **** ** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ **** *** *** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _ ************** _ @@@ @ @@@@@@ @ @@ @ @@@ @@@@@@ \\________________// @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \________________/ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \ / __ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _|____| (_) \ @ @@@@@@@ @ @ @ @ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ {______(_)- \ \_____ {_______(_) ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** {______(_) ******** ******** ******** ******** *** ** {_____( ) /______ ** ** ** ** ** **** ** \| |_____/ ******* **** ** **** ** ** **** | | ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *** | | ******** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ~~~~ ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65608@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:33:19 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <65195@cup.portal.com> <65367@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep10.015655.12092@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Lines: 5 Dear People: The statement THE JET PLANES THAT RICH PEOPLE OWN, refers to John Lear's father Mr. Lear the person who makes the Lear Jet a small jet airplane that is used by many rich people and company heads. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!walter!phelix!mdl From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep10.134126.14692@walter.bellcore.com> Keywords: aliens,clones,invasion,stollman Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Nntp-Posting-Host: phelix.bellcore.com Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) Organization: Bellcore References: <_csng1a.garys@netcom.com> <2337@itexjct.jct.ac.il> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:41:26 GMT Lines: 14 In article <2337@itexjct.jct.ac.il>, warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) writes: |> Gosh, I hope they don't take away Usenet to keep Gary from posting to |> it. |> -- |> /|/-\/-\ The entire kitchen Jerusalem |> |__/__/_/ is a very cold carrot. |> |warren@ But the farmer |> / nysernet.org is hungry. I don't read his posts anymore. I found that every time I did, my phone started ringing. Mike Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11743 alt.alien.visitors:9291 sci.skeptic:30768 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!carina.unm.edu!cary From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:56:39 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque References: <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <26rnvhb@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Sep9.170823.13966@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Lines: 30 In article <1992Sep9.170823.13966@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: > >First of all, CHILL OUT, will ya? Ok, I did get a little out of hand there, sorry. > >And third, this has nothing at all to do with physics. Obviously gravity and >drag will pull a meteor towards the Earth some, and in many cases they'll >be drawn right into the Earth - so what? The point is that meteor paths look >straight from the ground. John Winston said they don't. He was wrong. >Wanna see some meteor photos that prove it? Go ahead, show me a photo of a >curved meteor path. Bet you have trouble finding one. >-Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com I have seen meteors follow curved paths in the sky, I have not been so fortunate as to photograph it. It's probably impossible to do since in my experience the meteor has to be visible for relatively long time, and therefore a long path, requiring a very wide angle lense, wider than most available I would suspect. Ithlial My opinions, mine, mine, mine! To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit eachother. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!engage.pko.dec.com!verga.enet.dec.com!stanley From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) Subject: Re: Why are aliens "bad" Message-ID: <1992Sep10.151437.2832@engage.pko.dec.com> Sender: newsdaemon@engage.pko.dec.com (USENET News Daemon) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:09:43 GMT Lines: 16 In article <1992Sep08.183720.3478@news.mentorg.com>, tom_repasky@mentorg.com writes... >Howdy, > >A few questions. > >Why are most of the aliens presented here (blacks, greys, etc.) not nice ? >Is this 1950s all over again ? > >Why has no one contacted the aliens that gave (give) birth (life) to the greys >and blacks etc. ? Bingo! You win a prize... :-) Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!uofs!prijat.cs.uofs.edu!bill From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: computers in UFO Message-ID: <10996@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> Date: 10 Sep 92 19:38:13 GMT References: <1992Sep6.112940.3040@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> Sender: news@uofs.uofs.edu Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: prijat.cs.uofs.edu In article <1992Sep6.112940.3040@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes: |> anyone has any idea about the computers in the UFO? |> It should be very advanced , anyone seen that before? Why would you assume it would be very advanced?? We humans create computers to make up for the short-comings of our own brains (ie. we don't do math very well in our heads), a race that builds UFOs like we have seen so far may not require computers at all. This also may explain why the greys consider us fitting for use as laboratory rats. They may not see us as inteligent life at all. Little more than insects scurrying to and fro on our mindless tasks. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | If this statement wasn't here, bill@platypus.uofs.edu | This space would be left intentionally blank bill@tuatara.uofs.edu | #include Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11746 alt.alien.visitors:9294 sci.skeptic:30805 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!think.com!news.bbn.com!ingria From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:52:13 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu><64571@cup.portal.com> <2489@israel.nysernet.org> <65091@cup.portal.com> <65161@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep4.150714.8668@vax.oxford.ac.uk> Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com In-reply-to: jdporter@vax.oxford.ac.uk's message of 4 Sep 92 14:07:14 GMT In article <1992Sep4.150714.8668@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jdporter@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: In article <65161@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: > Dear Folks: Well it's Astral Train Wednesday at about 800 PM and I didn't > get to remind everyone about the 6th weekly running. An Astral train??? Yes; John pulls Astral Train and brags about it. (This is clearly contrary to family values.) -30- Bob ``A mind so disordered as to be unable to arrange the letters of the alphabet.'' Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!news!wrs.com!davidj From: davidj@wrs.com (David Jones) Subject: Extraterrestrial Contact: The Meaning and the Message Message-ID: Sender: news@wrs.com (News Manager) Nntp-Posting-Host: erra Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc. Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:27:47 GMT Lines: 124 ############################################################################ # The following is sent as a public service announcement and is for # # informational purposes only. I am not receiving any renumeration for # # helping to inform the public in this regards. I will be happy to # # answer any questions about the below that you may have. # # # # Thank you. David W. Jones davidj@wrs.com OR uunet!wrs!davidj # ############################################################################ The Society for the Advancement of Civilization Presents: Extraterrestrial Contact The Meaning and The Message Saturday, October 10, 1992 10:00am to 9:30pm Physical Sciences Lecture Hall, UC Berkeley At Gayley Road across from the Greek Theater A public forum on the legitimate scientific inquiry into one of the most controversial issues facing our planet today. Why does extraterrestrial con- tact have value for the people of Earth? There are increasing numbers of aware, articulate people from a variety of professional and cultural back- grounds who have been contacted by extraterrestrials. Come, hear and meet an impressive group of research experts and persons who have had close encounters. R. Leo Sprinkle, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of Psychology, University of Wyom- ing, Laramie, where he was director of counseling services, and founder of the Institute for UFO Contactee Studies, is an early investigator of hundreds of Close Encounter cases beginning in 1955. He served with APRO as a consultant for psychology and is the principle investigator of the John Salter case. He is the organizer of the Annual Rocky Mountain UFO Conference. James A. Harder, Ph. D., Professor Emeritus of Engineering, U.C. Berkeley, pioneered the use of hypnosis in close-encounter cases since 1962, and the study of E.T./human interactions and their influences on this planet. He will describe emerging information about the characteristics of advanced civiliza- tions and how this information could help inspire us to a more hopeful view of Earth. John Salter, Ph. D., Professor of Indian Studies Univ. of North Dakota, will lead several people with close encounter experiences in a round table discus- sion. Dr. Salter will also tell of his own continuing encounters. He was featured in the May 1991, CBS prime time special "Visitors from the Unknown" He teaches a very popular university course which accepts the reality of extraterrestrial contact. Richard F. Haines, Ph.D., Psychologist and research scientist. His interest in discovering the core nature of UFO phenomenon spans 20 years with special interest in sightings by pilots, photo analysis, and CE4. He recently founded and co-directs the Joint American- Soviet Aerial Anomaly Federation. Richard J. Boylan, Ph.D., A psychologist in private practice. He has assisted in the understanding and the integration of ET experiences into everyday life. He will speak about the "mind field" of new information developing for those with extraterrestrial close encounters and for the Society of Planet Earth. Cathy W., A California person with some very interesting close encounters, and whose events were thoroughly recorded by a well- known researcher/investigator. Her experiences were shown in a documentary on a prime-time NBC program. A special two hour question and answer period in the evening will be hosted by the participants in the above program. A special multi-media presentation of ET close encounter experiences will also be presented. Doors open at 9:15 am. Events begin at 10:00 am and end at 9:30 pm. Cost is $30.00. Free educational video with reservations received by October 6th, 1992. Seating is limited, so please reserve your seats in advance. Priority is given to those who have paid advance reservations & who have arrived by 9:45am. Tickets will be sold at the door. Please no video/tape recording. Videos and tapes will be made available to attendees at the forum. ============================================================================= Extraterrestrial Contact: The Meaning and the Message Saturday, October 10, 1992, 10:00 am to 9:30 pm Physical Sciences Lecture Hall, UC Berkeley An open forum presented by the Society for the Advancement of Civilization, a not for profit corporation formed to study extraterrestrial civilizations as they may pertain to the future of Earth and to create an environment for all those interested in extraterrestrial contact to share with others their experiences and viewpoints in an open and non-threatening atmosphere. Directions: From hiway 80, take the University Avenue turnoff in Berkeley, east, toward the hills. Turn left on Oxford, go two blocks and turn right on Hearst Avenue. The parking garage is 6 blocks up Hearst. Turn right on Gayley Road (it will be La Loma to your left) and go about two blocks, across from the Greek Theater, on your right, a round short building. We have reserved 100 spaces at the parking garage (marked H above) located at the corner of La Loma Avenue and Hearst Avenue, on a first-come first-serve basis. Parking in this garage will be $3.00 for the full day. Show the atten- dant this flyer, or tell them that you will be attending the Extraterrestrial Contact symposium. We encourage everyone to bring a bag lunch and eat with one another on campus in one of the many tree lined grassy park areas. We will provide a map of local restaurants for your convenience for those who wish to eat out. For more information, call (510) 526-8989 or (415) 453-2735 after October 1st. Sponsored by The Society for the Advancement of Civilization & The First Sun- day Study Group Please reserve ________ seats at $30.00 each (tickets and your free educational video to be picked up at the door) for: Name ___________________________ Street _________________________________________ City ___________________________ Zip __________ Phone ___________________________ Make checks payable to: Berkeley Symposium Checks must be received by October 6th, 1992 Send to: Berkeley Symposium P.O. Box 9073 Berkeley, CA 94709-9073 ------------------------------------- EOF -------------------------------------- Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11748 alt.alien.visitors:9296 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!apsicc.aps.edu!jim From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <10SEP199217365645@apsicc.aps.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:36:00 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center References: <64264@cup.portal.com> <65571@cup.portal.com> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 19 In article <65571@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes... >Subject: My Friend Len. Part 4. > After getting to within 1 mile of the IFO site Len checked with me again and >at this time I was really feeling heavy. It was just as if I was on another >planet that had a stronger gravity than ours. I thought of >Mars and how it would probubly take short sturdy bodies to live on such a >planet. > > End of Part 4. John Winston. ====================================================================== Let us give thanks for the end of yet another in the continuing tales from beyond. Also, John you should get your facts straight. Mars has a considerably weaker gravitational field than the Earth's. Either that or you must deny that we landed, unmanned, on the planet. ====================================================================== We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty... Twain Internet: jim@apsicc.aps.edu Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager ====================================================================== Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11750 alt.alien.visitors:9297 sci.skeptic:30817 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65633@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:31:12 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Lines: 35 Subject: Youth. This story starts in a discotheque down in Guatemala when a young fellow of 17 sees a pretty girl and falls in love. Just before the wedding she tells him that she has a slight confession to make and he says, "Oh no". She said that she was old enough to be his grandmaw (67 years old). He then said, "That doesn't make any difference because your young and full of energy and I loves ya with all of my little ole heart (or something to that effect). They get married and she very careful to take birth control pills because they don't want to start a family till later on in life. The boys name is Antonia Ocaz, and the girls name is Delmy. She told him the secret to her youth is that she is Indian and she drinks a potion made from a plant called Uxtali which is picked from the dark jungles near her home in Flores, Guatemala. It seems that when the Spanish priests came there many years ago they were taken and shown people who had lived to great ages by eating the plant. The Spanish considered it to be witchcraft and made the people not use it or they would kill them. Her poeple continued using it behind their backs. Their is a legend about how the Indians got the plant and it goes like this; The Uxtali was given to mankind by a great, toucan-headed god called Acachuate when an Indian warrior save hsi daughter from drowning. Investigators from the Agricultural University of Peten, Guatemala, say they are excited by the find. "We think it probably has some kind of action in the pituitary system," said Dr Marco Chaviz. I inhibits the release of enzymes that tell the body to age. In essence, the substance produced by Uxtali fools the body into thinking it has already aged enough. Local officials are eager to see the plant grown on a mass scale, hoping its sale will alleviate the shocking poverty in the region. If this stuff can do for other people what it has obviously done for Delmy, it will be the ultimate cash crop according to Dr Omar Tedaldo, a professor of agriculture at the university. The planat can halt and even reverse the aging process so when Delmy told Antonio that if he would drink the Uxtali faithully he would stay like she was. he ssid. "Please pass the potion". Source of information: Dec. 19, 1989, National Examiner. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11751 alt.alien.visitors:9298 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65635@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:44:02 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <64264@cup.portal.com> <65571@cup.portal.com> <10SEP199217365645@apsicc.aps.edu> Lines: 3 Jim you are right I should have used another planet that had more gravity than the Earth. I stand corrected. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium? Message-ID: <65641@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:09:11 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <13733.2aaeaa32@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> Lines: 3 Dear Garrett: I read you post and am willing to let you know whatever you would like to know. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11752 alt.alien.visitors:9300 sci.skeptic:30822 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.claremont.edu!ucivax!news.service.uci.edu!ttinews!bsmart!bsmart From: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep10.235753.234@ttinews.tti.com> Sender: usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: bsmart.tti.com Reply-To: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart) Organization: Citicorp+TTI References: <65606@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep3.163159.24744@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:57:53 GMT Lines: 20 In article <65606@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: > I just got back from the OOBE feeling like a 30,000 year old fiddle. Must be an interesting sensation, since fiddles (violins, anyway) were only invented about 350 years ago. There are other stringed, bowed instruments that could arguably be called "fiddles," but even they only go back perhaps a couple of thousand years...not tens of thousands. Tell me, were fiddles popular in Atlantis? Do the Antareans know any really good fiddle riffs? Will they be revealing their R&B secrets to the people of Earth? --------- A fanatic is someone who does what he knows that God would do if God knew the facts of the case. Some mailers apparently munge my address; you might have to use bsmart@bsmart.tti.com -- or if that fails, fall back to 72027.3210@compuserve.com. Ain't UNIX grand? Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!littlei!intelhf!thekid From: thekid@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Brian Kidby) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: UFO Video? Keywords: Bob Lazar Video Message-ID: <1992Sep10.232613.10580@intelhf.hf.intel.com> Date: 10 Sep 92 23:26:13 GMT Expires: 17 Sept 92 Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro OR Lines: 28 I've been monitoring this newsgroup for a few weeks now, and it is one of the most interesting of those that I subscribe to. That aside, I am curious as to whether anyone out there has seen the UFO documentary "SIGHTINGS" shown in the US on the FOX network approx. 6 months ago. It was a general overview of UFO-related phenomena that has occurred since the 1950's (primarily covered US sightings, abductions, projects, and alleged cover-ups). In it, some video is shown of what is said to be an "alien vessel" moving across the desert, in front of some low-lying hills. I would like to know if that particular clip was taken at Groom Lake, Nevada, where Bob Lazar reportedly took some people to observe a "test flight" of a supposed alien vessel by the team of scientists that Lazar alleges to have worked with. I believe nothing to that effect is mentioned during the clip. Anyone? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kid My thoughts and actions are strictly my own. brian_kidby@ccm.hf.intel.com Do not hold my employers responsible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!parsifal.umkc.edu!vax1.umkc.edu!dprebyl From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: CATS FROM OUTER SPACE! Message-ID: <1992Sep10.210249.1@vax1.umkc.edu> Date: 11 Sep 92 03:02:49 GMT References: <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org> <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> <1992Sep9.213019.10680@ncmicro.lonestar.org> Sender: root@parsifal.umkc.edu (Parsifal Administration) Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City Lines: 56 In article <1992Sep9.213019.10680@ncmicro.lonestar.org>, ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) writes: > In article <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu writes: > }In article <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org>, bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes: > }> Recently i viewed a walt disney movie called THE CAT FROM OUTER SPACE. > }> I heard from a friend that this was a TRUE story, found out about by > }> walt disney from sources, so maybe next time you see a cat, it might > }> be an alien visitor.. hmmmm... meow > }> > }GET REAL...NEXT YOU'LL BE SAYING THAT THE LITTLE AMEBOID SCUM(OR WHATEVER THEY > }ARE) ON OUR SKIN ARE ACTUALLY ALIEN VISITOR. > > Oh, don't be absurd...of course they're not aliens...they do, however, work for the > aliens. Oh, and they don't appreciate the Scum appelation... > > }DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M > }PERFECTLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT THE CUTE, FURRY DECESDENTS OF THE GREAT > }CATS(IF YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION) ARE ACTUALLY OUR WORST ENEMY JUST WAITING > }FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT TO SUCK OUR BREATH OUT WHEN WE'RE ASLEEP AND CONQUER THE > }WORLD. > > The cats are not your enemies...They are our friends. They are, of course, > working to take over the planet, but it is for our own good! > > It's them damned squirrels that are our enemies! But you'll learn, sooner > or later. > > }THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WALT DISNEY WOULD HAVE IS HIS IMGINATION(WHICH IS NOT > }A BAD SOURCE--BUT IT IS INVALID HERE). AND ANOTHER THING...DIDN'T THAT CAT > }IN THE MOVIE WEAR SOMETHING(A NECKLACE--IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I SEEN THE > }MOVIE)ANYWAY HOW MANY CATS DO YOU SEE THAT WEAR NECKLACES OR WHATEVER??!! > > Well, they wouldn't wear them while YOU are watching...you obviously aren't > ready for them yet. You remind of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy...You know the part which said the mice were actually doing a experiment on us... Anyway this raises an interesting question is this news group dedicated to the real question of wheter intelligent life exist off of the planet or is this just a science fiction fan club wanting a place to write their ideas and stories??!! > > > Are you sure you aren't working for the Squirrels? > I work for a Mr. Kevin Harris. > > Lance > -- > Lance T. Franklin +----------------------------------------------+ > (ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org) | "You want I should bop you with this here | > NC Microproducts, Inc. | Lollipop?!?" The Fat Fury | > Richardson, Texas +----------------------------------------------+ Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11754 alt.alien.visitors:9303 sci.skeptic:30827 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!oxuniv!jdporter From: jdporter@vax.oxford.ac.uk Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> Date: 10 Sep 92 11:06:16 GMT References: <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com><65284@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> <65410@cup.portal.com> Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 21 In article <65410@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: > Shirley McClain was introducing a new motion picture by the name of > A Brief History of Time or something like that. It is the story of the > man from Oxford who goes around in a wheelchair and talks through a ^^^^^^ > computer. CAMBRIDGE CAMBRIDGE CAMBRIDGE CAMBRIDGE CAMBRIDGE How dare you cast aspersions on the fair name of Oxford University?!!!? Julian Porter Mathematical Institute University of Oxford For lo ! I hear the sound of seven green grashoppers coming from my terminal Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.claremont.edu!ucivax!gateway From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) Subject: Re: UFO Video? Message-ID: <13280.716186948@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> In-reply-to: Your message of 10 Sep 92 23:26:13 +0000. <1992Sep10.232613.10580@intelhf.hf.intel.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 10 Date: 11 Sep 92 04:49:19 GMT >I've been monitoring this newsgroup for a few weeks now, and it is >one of the most interesting of those that I subscribe to. >That aside, I am curious as to whether anyone out there has seen the >UFO documentary "SIGHTINGS" shown in the US on the FOX network approx. >6 months ago. Apparently, this show is coming back on starting next week. -D Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11755 alt.alien.visitors:9305 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65650@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:58:08 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> Lines: 44 Subject: Ruins of the 30,000 Year Old City. Part 5. I was also told by R. where there were two tunnels just about 40 yards off the trail. They were within view and around some rocks within looking distance of the head statues. These tunnels are 6 by 8 foot tall. He said they were very dark inside and he didn't go far inside of them. Other tunnels he had gone hundred of feet inside. We saw some other structures that looked like a Big Foot (Sasquatch Head). It was very large also and one of these structures had an openning in the back of the head that you could go inside. It led into a large room that was hollowed out inside the head. A lot of this city is under water between Malibu and the Channel Island. R. said that on a clear day the city could be made out or seen from the very highest point that we looked off of. On the day we were there the sun and haze obscured our view a little bit. R. has noticed quite a bit of strange phenomena in the area. On one expedition to this mystic mountain area, it seems that they (the spirits) are always observing as us. I have strong feeling that this area was used as a landing base for star ships in ancient times. There are pronounced markings on the cliffs that look like flying discs. Often while on these treks, both my expedition travellers and myself have witnessed first-hand UFO activity in the nearbny sky. On three separate trips, the UFOs beamed bright ligthts on us. I must admit it was quite an array and unlike anything that I or my fellow adventurers had ever seen before. tT consistent comment I seem to hear from these very credible witnesses is, "Hey, did you see that"? Some of the most far out statement by R. was that it may be just a rumor or it may be a fact that there are tunnels big enough to navigate submarine in that start out near the Channel Islands. One of them is said to go all the way to Arizona. Now I'll admit I don't know how that could be possible (maybe part of the tunnel is above the water line). R. once said that the sightings of UFOs don't happen according to any timetable although most often the "sky dancers" as we call them, appear at night around midnight. I can still remember one sighting on a clear and beautiful Sunday afternoon. It was incredible. The most popular time is during spring, because of the beautiful variety of wild flowers in bloom. Frankly, each season has its special value and many people like to go at different seasons to get the full effect of the ambiance and the variety of cloud formatioins especially in Winter. Sunsets at anytime are extremely spirtitual, especially with the back drop of a 30,000 year old ancient city and UFO base. Who knows, maybe one day they'll land, join us and share some of their knowledge of the area. End Part 5. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!csn!scicom!paranet!p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: "scientific" Ufo Information?? Message-ID: <139997.2AAF901C@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 10 Sep 92 06:08:01 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - is there some electronic mail or news based source for "serious" > discussion of UFO topics, approaching the matter with something of a > scientific method? > > not to say the folks here aren't serious..... :) i'm just after some > more quantitative information on the UFO deal... Subscribe infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!sunova!ireland!rocko From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary) Subject: Re: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium? Message-ID: <1992Sep11.122852.8119@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: rocko@ireland (Rick O'leary) Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.3.8.49 Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology References: <13733.2aaeaa32@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> <65641@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:28:52 GMT Lines: 38 In article <65641@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: |> Dear Garrett: I read you post and am willing to let you know whatever |> you would like to know. |> John Winston. Please Garrett, Don't play the governments game. He is an agent/grey/nut. Please don't ask him anything. Your read enough of his crap from others questions. love and kisses Rocko * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **** * ** **** ** ** ******* **** ***** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ******* ** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* * ** *** *** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* ** *** ******* ****** ** **** @@@@@@@ @ @@@@ @@ @@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ **** **** ** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ **** *** *** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _ ************** _ @@@ @ @@@@@@ @ @@ @ @@@ @@@@@@ \\________________// @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \________________/ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \ / __ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _|____| (_) \ @ @@@@@@@ @ @ @ @ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ {______(_)- \ \_____ {_______(_) ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** {______(_) ******** ******** ******** ******** *** ** {_____( ) /______ ** ** ** ** ** **** ** \| |_____/ ******* **** ** **** ** ** **** | | ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *** | | ******** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ~~~~ ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11757 alt.alien.visitors:9308 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65670@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:33:03 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> <65650@cup.portal.com> Lines: 3 Dear People: Sorry about that again. I posted the Ruin City information in this article. It should have been in the Ley Line article. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65671@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:35:20 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <61006@cup.portal.com> Lines: 44 Subject: Ruins of the 30,000 Year Old City. Part 5. I was also told by R. where there were two tunnels just about 40 yards off the trail. They were within view and around some rocks within looking distance of the head statues. These tunnels are 6 by 8 foot tall. He said they were very dark inside and he didn't go far inside of them. Other tunnels he had gone hundred of feet inside. We saw some other structures that looked like a Big Foot (Sasquatch Head). It was very large also and one of these structures had an openning in the back of the head that you could go inside. It led into a large room that was hollowed out inside the head. A lot of this city is under water between Malibu and the Channel Island. R. said that on a clear day the city could be made out or seen from the very highest point that we looked off of. On the day we were there the sun and haze obscured our view a little bit. R. has noticed quite a bit of strange phenomena in the area. On one expedition to this mystic mountain area, it seems that they (the spirits) are always observing as us. I have strong feeling that this area was used as a landing base for star ships in ancient times. There are pronounced markings on the cliffs that look like flying discs. Often while on these treks, both my expedition travellers and myself have witnessed first-hand UFO activity in the nearbny sky. On three separate trips, the UFOs beamed bright ligthts on us. I must admit it was quite an array and unlike anything that I or my fellow adventurers had ever seen before. tT consistent comment I seem to hear from these very credible witnesses is, "Hey, did you see that"? Some of the most far out statement by R. was that it may be just a rumor or it may be a fact that there are tunnels big enough to navigate submarine in that start out near the Channel Islands. One of them is said to go all the way to Arizona. Now I'll admit I don't know how that could be possible (maybe part of the tunnel is above the water line). R. once said that the sightings of UFOs don't happen according to any timetable although most often the "sky dancers" as we call them, appear at night around midnight. I can still remember one sighting on a clear and beautiful Sunday afternoon. It was incredible. The most popular time is during spring, because of the beautiful variety of wild flowers in bloom. Frankly, each season has its special value and many people like to go at different seasons to get the full effect of the ambiance and the variety of cloud formatioins especially in Winter. Sunsets at anytime are extremely spirtitual, especially with the back drop of a 30,000 year old ancient city and UFO base. Who knows, maybe one day they'll land, join us and share some of their knowledge of the area. End Part 5. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: Winstollman. Acid AND Lithium ! Message-ID: <1992Sep11.125240.24962@ntb.ch> Followup-To: Acid AND lithium Keywords: Group criticism Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1992Sep10.131602.8141@sunova.ssc.gov> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:52:40 GMT Lines: 41 THIS IS ABOUT THE BEST POSTING I HAVE EVER SEEN: (In reply to "Inquiring minds want to know!") Rocko writes: Look, You are new here. You do not know who you are speaking of. We think that John and Gary are the single greatest people/aliens/CIA agents that have ever posted to this think tank of a group. Allow me to explain this group. Readers and writers of a.a.v. are made up of: A) People that have had contact. (Rarely post... obvious reasons) B) Government paid disinformation people. (Poor to fair fiction) C) Questioning/Inquiring minds (post weak questions, but mean well) D) Wanderers (Just passing through, make snide remarks if any) E) A few who think aliens are out there but haven't/won't come here. F) A few who think aliens are with us now but have had no contact. G) Aliens (Grey, life sucking, invaders of utopia) H) Guys like me that just can't unsubscribe from this group. It's just too much fun. Life looks darker and things aren't very clear. (guess this belongs in alt.consp....) But when all else falls through pull up a.a.v. and smile. Someone is always a little worse off than you are and here is one sure fired place to find one. love and kisses Rocko My addition: J) People who believe that theirs is "the true way" and who want to help the rest of the world by posting long accounts which they consider relevant, or by quoting from "A Course In Miracles". MY COMPLIMENTS TO ROCKO! Love and blessings to you all, Paul Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO Video? Keywords: Bob Lazar Video Message-ID: Date: 11 Sep 92 15:28:20 GMT References: <1992Sep10.232613.10580@intelhf.hf.intel.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 12 To: thekid@intelhf.hf.intel.com That aside, I am curious as to whether anyone out there has seen the UFO documentary "SIGHTINGS" shown in the US on the FOX network approx. 6 months ago. ... apparently, this show's first episode of the season (tonight, I think) is another UFO show. The show is on every Friday night, and usually does 10-or-so minutes on several different "paranormal" topics, topics like the old "In Search Of" show used to do, though sometimes it does a whole show on a single topic. Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a80 From: Greg_Goss@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Goss) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Abusive, don't listen, "scientists" Message-ID: <15046@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 11 Sep 92 16:08:13 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 103 In article <1992Sep4.184948.12819@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: > >Look, dude, I've seen dozens of photos of meteors. I have yet to see one with >a >curved path. How many have you seen? How many real meteors have you seen? I've >probably seen more than you and Winston put together. I'm speaking from what >I've seen with my own eyes over 20 years of watching the sky, not from >something I got by rubbing a crystal. > >If you can honestly tell me that something moving many miles per second, in an >orbit that's as close to straight as it gets except over millions of miles, >looks to you like it's curving, then I say wake up, you're dreaming. Man-made >satellites look and photograph, from the ground, like they're moving in dead >straight lines, and these orbits are much more curved than any meteor is ever >going to be. and > Ithlial the Archer writes: > > [hysterics deleted] you obviously don't know [hysterics] > about physics. You are saying that even though a force is acting on the > meteor it doesn't react to it? Christ how stupid can you be? People went > for hundreds of years thinking that the Earth was flat based on their limited > observations. Using your kindergarten logic the sun revolves around the > earth and the moon is a flat disc in the sky. > > [various hysterical ravings deleted] > > (I wonder if the fact that I am an astronomer qualifies me to speak on this > topic? Or is it the fact that I have been watching the sky for years and seen > meteors with curved trajectories?) > Hmmmm. People often judge intellectual questions on who seems to have a better grasp of the issues involved. Those of us who live in lit cieies and can see maybe one meteor every four years have to judge this issue by listening to the experts. And the screamers don't count at all here. While it might not be "kindergarten" stuff, let's apply my grade ten training to this question. We have an object travelling at high speed. Let's assume that it's travelling at ten miles per second. I expect that this is EXTREMELY slow for meteors, but it should illustrate the point. A large meteor is seen for what, six seconds? To maximize the curvature, I'll calculate the effects with the meteor travelling normal to the gravitational field. first second: Meteor travels 10 miles horizontally and 16 feet vertically. Second second: Meteor travels another 10 miles horizontally and 48 feet vertically. Third second: Meteor travels 10 miles horizontally and 80 feet vertically. Fourth second: Meteor travels 10 miles horizontally and 112 feet vertically. Fifth second: Meteor travels 10 miles horizontally and 144 feet vertically. Sixth second: Meteor travels 10 miles horizontally and 176 feet vertically. Wow! big forces. Ilthlial, if you're going to invoke the great god "physics" to make a point, you must make the correct offerings. Our god demands NUMBERS be crunched else his name is used in vain. He demands that people be shot down with FACTS, and never with hormonal ravings like "piece of shit", "dickwad" or "rubbing your dick". You have befouled the name of physics in both ways. You have screwed up (royally) the numbers, and you've used both adolescent raving and bad numbers in an argument where you also invoked the name of physics. You have brought the name of scientists into vast disrepute. It's too bad that we don't believe in Inquisitions. Final path? 196 feet vertically and sixty miles horizontally. I neglected air friction, but I also chose a ludicrously low value for the meteor's initial speed. I know that *MY* eyes couldn't percieve a curvature of one part in sixteen hundred. > Ithlial the Archer writes: > > This has nothing to do with rubbing crystals. If you had bothered to educate > yourself to a highschool level instead of rubbing your dick you might not > look like such an idiot now. > Ilthlial, I was teenaged once. I remember the strength of the dominance hormones that you're suffering from. I disagree with this bit too. Perhaps if you rubbed your dick a bit more you could keep your testosterone under control. > Ithlial the Archer writes: > > (I wonder if the fact that I am an astronomer qualifies me to speak on this > topic? > God! I sure hope not. .../greg -- "say NO to four-line sigs" greg_goss@mindlink.bc.ca Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!dcs.ed.ac.uk!clc From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The aliens have landed Message-ID: <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Date: 11 Sep 92 16:39:52 GMT Sender: nnews@dcs.ed.ac.uk Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 17 Two space aliens have just landed in this campus. They wear blue spacesuits, with a yellow line where some Earth creatures have a tie. They wear something which looks like an oxygen mask, but the bottles they have on their backs contains a dark liquid instead. I know this, because they seem to be made of some transparent material, and inside it it is clearly visible a very dark green liquid. Right now they are not in sight anymore, I suspect that they are hiding behind a tree, but I'll keep watching outside the window to get more information. In the meantime, if anybody has an idea of where they might come from... Oh, before I forget, I haven't seen them landing, I just happened to look outside and they were there. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!doc.ic.ac.uk!syma!michaell@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Michael Lazarou) From: michaell Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Winstollman. Acid AND Lithium ! Message-ID: <1992Sep11.125951.29419@syma.sussex.ac.uk> Date: 11 Sep 92 12:59:51 GMT References: <1992Sep10.131602.8141@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: stephenk@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Kendrick) Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 .......! Rick O'leary (rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain) wrote: love and kisses Rocko * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* * ** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ******* ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **** * ** **** ** ** ******* **** ***** * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * ******* ** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* * ** *** *** ******** ******** ** ** ** ** ******* ** *** ******* ****** ** **** @@@@@@@ @ @@@@ @@ @@ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ **** **** ** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ **** *** *** @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _ ************** _ @@@ @ @@@@@@ @ @@ @ @@@ @@@@@@ \\________________// @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \________________/ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ \ / __ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ _|____| (_) \ @ @@@@@@@ @ @ @ @ @@@@@@ @@@@@@ {______(_)- \ \_____ {_______(_) ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** {______(_) ******** ******** ******** ******** *** ** {_____( ) /______ ** ** ** ** ** **** ** \| |_____/ ******* **** ** **** ** ** **** | | ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *** | | ******** ******** ******** ******** ** ** ~~~~ ******* ******** ******** ******** ** ** Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9315 alt.conspiracy:18282 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!garys From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) Subject: INVASION!!! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:30:51 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Summary: THE ENTIRE CITY OF LOS ANGELES IS UNDER INVASION!!! Keywords: aliens, clones, invasion, stollman Lines: 23 I just got back from the Social Security Office here, and I was given the runaround by some woman who I am CONVINCED was not whoever she was pretending to be. ALSO, the restaurants here and the hotels have been taken over, because of the types of things that have happened to my sister when she was staying at a hotel here. This message is now going VERY slow across my computer screen, which also shows how deeply the involvement of this is. ALL of Pacific Bell is involved, and ATT as well! Tell your friends, tell your neighbors, get ready to fight for your lives!! When I call this system, there is a pinging noise in place of the click when netcom answers. Pacific Bell was just "working" on ALL their lines the other day! This is not new to ME. I have been living this nightmare for 10 years!!! -- Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN ----------------------------------------------------------------- The world is your playground. Keep it clean! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!vancleef From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The aliens have landed Message-ID: <13761.2ab0a7dd@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> Date: 11 Sep 92 18:06:21 GMT References: <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 23 In article <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) writes: > Two space aliens have just landed in this campus. They wear blue > spacesuits, with a yellow line where some Earth creatures have > a tie. They wear something which looks like an oxygen mask, but > the bottles they have on their backs contains a dark liquid instead. > I know this, because they seem to be made of some transparent > material, and inside it it is clearly visible a very dark green > liquid. > > Right now they are not in sight anymore, I suspect that > they are hiding behind a tree, but I'll keep watching outside > the window to get more information. > > In the meantime, if anybody has an idea of where they might > come from... > > Oh, before I forget, I haven't seen them landing, I just happened > to look outside and they were there. My how this group is becoming interesting again! -Garrett Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9317 alt.conspiracy:18283 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!utcsri!torn!cunews!nrcnet0!bnrgate!bcars6a8!bcarh1eb!zenith89 From: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep11.182724.15469@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> Keywords: aliens, clones, invasion, stollman Sender: usenet@bcars6a8.bnr.ca (Use Net) Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh1eb Reply-To: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca () Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., Ottawa, CANADA References: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:27:24 GMT Lines: 4 In article garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: > (stuff about Social Security office, restaurants, hotels and > Pacific Bell being invaded deleted) Will Gary Stollman be the next V.I. Fabrikant? Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!cc203 From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Where can you get a good regressionist these days? Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:26:00 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <18qrs8INNah3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu Does anyone know how one might go about trying to track down a good hypnotic regressionist in one's area? I have a friend that recently experienced a classic case of missing time, and we'd like to investigate it. I am in the Cleveland area. If no one specializes in abduction regressions here, how would one go about looking for a "standard" hypnotist who might be able to do the job? What kind of credentials should a reputable hypnotist have? Any suggestions are much appreciated. David Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9319 alt.conspiracy:18287 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!convex!convex!swarren From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Sender: usenet@news.eng.convex.com (news access account) Message-ID: <1992Sep11.193232.735@news.eng.convex.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:32:32 GMT References: <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com> <1992Sep8.143924.7421@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: magnum.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 15 In article garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes: >Call me stupid. Call me ignorant. But don't call me crazy please. I I think I will call you a SOB (Son Of BIFF). I think you are a net.personna like BIFF, created for the entertainment of the rest of us. Whatever happened to good old BIFF, anyway? Hmmm. Perhaps BIFF's alter-ego tired of him, and Mr. Stollman is his next project? -- _. --Steve ._||__ Welcome to the World's First GaAs Supercomputer Warren v\ *| ----------------------------------------------- V Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!male.EBay.Sun.COM!tinkerbell!kathieg From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:40:38 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com Hello to all, I am new to the alias, but here goes. Has anyone out there heard or read about the Realiens? I have bought about 3 of their books, and they talk about how we were an experiment in life, and how the scientist who created us, got to the point where they were worried we would kill them, so they did things, like flood the earth, (Noah's Arc) etc. You know the bible stories. Anyway, I read in the Enquire the other day, an artical about how big the Realien cult was getting. They said that the Realiens were starting to set up a goverment in Israel, and the coming of Christ will be in the year 2000 when he will be the head of this government. Please let me know if anyone else has heard or read of them. Thanks, Kathie Greenslade Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!apsicc.aps.edu!jim From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Intelligent Life??? Message-ID: <11SEP199214505964@apsicc.aps.edu> Date: 11 Sep 92 21:50:00 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center Lines: 17 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hello all, I have been following this conference for some time now and am be- ginning to wonder if the question shouldn't be, 'is there intelligent life elsewhere in the universe but rather is there inteligent life here on earth'? This conference seems to be rapidly degenerating into a series of psudo-science questions and mental travelogues that belong in some other category such as alt.wishful-thinking. It just seems to be getting harder and harder to find the items that are worthy of serious discussion. If, as some claim, the conference is being 'mon- itored' we would be the equivilent of the cartoon channel to whatever aliens were there. Jim ====================================================================== We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty... Twain Internet: jim@apsicc.aps.edu Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager ====================================================================== Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!rickg From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) Subject: Re: The aliens have landed Message-ID: <11vng2d.rickg@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:48:31 GMT Organization: Netcom - We're Just Trying to Help References: <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 19 In article <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Claudio Calvelli writes: >In the meantime, if anybody has an idea of where they might >come from... There's no telling. Could be from *anywhere*. >Oh, before I forget, I haven't seen them landing, I just happened >to look outside and they were there. My advice: Don't be a hero. Keep your distance, but keep them in sight. If they've landed in Scotland, they may be off course, therefore irritable and dangerous. Don't poke fun at them. Keep us informed. -- Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!att-out!rutgers!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v129j6ed From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Gary StollMan is switching with his clone.... Message-ID: Date: 11 Sep 92 21:42:00 GMT Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 19 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu With these posts about finding God and the healing of his pen!s, I must wonder if he is also switching with his clone, as the clone is sent to discredit him. That is not hard to do, especially when Gary himself, not his clone, does the job too well. Just a clone of Elvis ******************************************************************************* "Groovy!" - Ash "Evil Dead II : Dead By Dawn" (1987) ******************************************************************************* "Fans are interesting things. Rush fans just can't comprehend why the rest of the world doesn't like Rush. REM fans consider the rest of the world beneath their social level to notice. Kate Bush fans love the rest of the world, and the world loves them, but spend long nights plotting to knife one another." --Richard Darwin Richard Darwin #33, "Gradenza" ******************************************************************************* v129j6ed@ubvms The KaTeFan(tm) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!jcitro3 From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III) Subject: Re: UFO Video? Message-ID: <1992Sep11.215636.18160@news.unomaha.edu> Sender: news@news.unomaha.edu (UNO Network News Server) Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha References: <1992Sep10.232613.10580@intelhf.hf.intel.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:56:36 GMT Lines: 40 thekid@intelhf.hf.intel.com writes: > I've been monitoring this newsgroup for a few weeks now, and it is > one of the most interesting of those that I subscribe to. > > That aside, I am curious as to whether anyone out there has seen the > UFO documentary "SIGHTINGS" shown in the US on the FOX network approx. > 6 months ago. > > It was a general overview of UFO-related phenomena that has occurred > since the 1950's (primarily covered US sightings, abductions, projects, > and alleged cover-ups). In it, some video is shown of what is said to > be an "alien vessel" moving across the desert, in front of some low-lying > hills. > > I would like to know if that particular clip was taken at Groom Lake, > Nevada, where Bob Lazar reportedly took some people to observe a "test > flight" of a supposed alien vessel by the team of scientists that Lazar > alleges to have worked with. I believe nothing to that effect is > mentioned during the clip. > > Anyone? > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Kid My thoughts and actions are strictly my own. > brian_kidby@ccm.hf.intel.com Do not hold my employers responsible. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian, The video of the UFO in question was taken near Anza, California last year. The show sightings also talked about MIB's and abductions on the same program. Incidentally, tonight (11 Sept. 92) sightings will be on again. Usually, their first show of the season is on UFO's. I hope you don't miss it! Joseph A. Citro III jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!grip.cis.upenn.edu!jmv From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Message-ID: <88698@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 11 Sep 92 21:05:09 GMT References: Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: GRASP Lab Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu In article , kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations) writes: > > Hello to all, I am new to the alias, but here goes. > > Has anyone out there heard or read about the Realiens? I have bought about 3 Well, I think you're talking about the Raeliens, who claims we are an experiment set up by some aliens. Those guys are very well known in Europe, as they propagate such nice ideas as eugenism (selection by killing the defective new-born) and other "chosen people" stuff. There are also claims of group sex involving children. The raelien symbol is a superposition of the judaic star and the Nazi cross, which is, to my opinion, a VERY bad joke. Beware. JM. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!lynx!apsicc.aps.edu!jim From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Message-ID: <11SEP199217004465@apsicc.aps.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:00:00 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center References: News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 43 In article , kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM writes... > >Hello to all, I am new to the alias, but here goes. > >Has anyone out there heard or read about the Realiens? I have bought about 3 >of their books, and they talk about how we were an experiment in life, and how >the scientist who created us, got to the point where they were worried we would >kill them, so they did things, like flood the earth, (Noah's Arc) etc. You know >the bible stories. > >Anyway, I read in the Enquire the other day, an artical about how big the >Realien cult was getting. They said that the Realiens were starting to set >up a goverment in Israel, and the coming of Christ will be in the year 2000 >when he will be the head of this government. > >Please let me know if anyone else has heard or read of them. > >Thanks, > >Kathie Greenslade ====================================================================== Kathie, Beware of magazines like the Inquirer, etc. A couple of points on the above. As the year 2000 approaches look for the emergence of *many* cults. There are going to be so many different and various groups each proclaiming itself to have the 'truth' that just about anyone's needs to feel secure will be met. In your paragraph on the year 2000 and the return of Christ this would seem to imply that Christ is just an 'alien'. So many people latch onto the year 2000 that they forget many religions belief systems predate Christianities by a large number of years. Besides, any intelligent race capable of creating another one from essentially nothing would have the capability of removing its' 'creation' without a great deal of difficulty. Floods, plagues and such would not be needed and would require a large amount of resources to enable. For a sad example just look at what the NAZI's did to the Jewish and ethnic populations of Europe hardly 50 years ago. If whatever entities created us in your context wanted us removed it wouldn't have taken very much work on their part in that day and age. Jim ====================================================================== We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty... Twain Internet: jim@apsicc.aps.edu Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager ====================================================================== Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9327 alt.conspiracy:18291 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!resumix!stevans From: stevans@resumix.portal.com (Mark Stevans) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep11.221449.6296@resumix.portal.com> Sender: news@resumix.portal.com Organization: Resumix, Inc. References: <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com> <1992Sep8.143924.7421@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:14:49 GMT Lines: 17 In article <1992Sep8.143924.7421@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: > >In article <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes... > >>Gary Stollman Internet: garys@netcom.com GEnie: G.STOLLMAN > >Gary, >You know what makes all this not particularly believable? Through his postings, Gary is trying to send us a message -- describing the world as he sees it to anyone who cares to listen. I, for one, care to listen. I may not share much of his world-view, since my own life has differed greatly from his, but I want to hear what he has to say. His postings are among the most interesting in this newsgroup -- please don't attempt to stifle him. Thank you for your courtesy. MLS Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11763 alt.alien.visitors:9328 sci.skeptic:30866 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65699@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:35:49 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com><65284@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> <65410@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> Lines: 6 Dear World: If a fiddler from Oxford (Julian) says the man is from Cambridge then Cambrige it will be. Kumar succeeded in doing Astral Travel this last week so 3 cheers for Kumar. Oh yes I didn't mention that sometimes you meet you dead relatives during astral travel but then there is no death. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!rkrouse From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse) Subject: Tass bug Message-ID: <6#wnrzp.rkrouse@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 03:51:19 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Keywords: tass,bugs Lines: 11 When reading alt.alien.visitors "tass" dumps core. Why? How can it be fixed? -- ========================================================================== Robert K. Rouse rkrouse@netcom.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "VOTE! - use it or lose it" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewse!cbnewsd!press2 From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson) Subject: Re: CATS FROM OUTER SPACE! Organization: AT&T Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:20:02 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep12.042002.23317@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> References: <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org> <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> Lines: 14 In article <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu writes: > In article <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org>, bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes: > > Recently i viewed a walt disney movie called THE CAT FROM OUTER SPACE. > > I heard from a friend that this was a TRUE story, found out about by > > walt disney from sources, so maybe next time you see a cat, it might > > be an alien visitor.. hmmmm... meow > > > GET REAL...NEXT YOU'LL BE SAYING THAT THE LITTLE AMEBOID SCUM(OR WHATEVER THEY > ARE) ON OUR SKIN ARE ACTUALLY ALIEN VISITOR. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M No 'fer real, it's name is TOONZES THE CAT! He plans to drive evryone on the planet off a cliff, one at a time if he must! He is slick with his soft-looking demeanor. He can entice almost anyone into his car! Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!jcatesii From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) Subject: Re: --> NEW CONSPIRACY EVIDENCE <-- Message-ID: <1992Sep12.043152.1987@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 04:31:52 GMT Lines: 8 You read in the Enquirer? Well, it must be true, that's as fine a source of info. as one is likely to find.... Where's my can of Raid? Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!resumix!stevans From: stevans@resumix.portal.com (Mark Stevans) Subject: Re: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium? Message-ID: <1992Sep12.003302.6721@resumix.portal.com> Sender: news@resumix.portal.com Organization: Resumix, Inc. References: <13733.2aaeaa32@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> <65641@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep11.122852.8119@sunova.ssc.gov> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:33:02 GMT Lines: 29 In article <1992Sep11.122852.8119@sunova.ssc.gov> rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary) writes: >In article <65641@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: >|> Dear Garrett: I read you post and am willing to let you know whatever >|> you would like to know. >|> John Winston. > >Please Garrett, >Don't play the governments game. He is an agent/grey/nut. >Please don't ask him anything. Your read enough of his >crap from others questions. > >love and kisses > > Rocko Ladies and gentlemen, please. The name of this newsgroup does not begin with "alt" for nothing. This is a publicly available alternative discussion forum. Yes, it is a source of 1) information, 2) disinformation, and last but not least, 3) misinformation, but I for one don't need or want anyone classifying anything into one of those three categories for me. I want to try to do it for myself -- else I wouldn't subscribe. John and Gary, I am withholding all of my questions until I am ready to ask them intelligently. Please continue your articles, knowing that there is an attentive audience, though some of us may choose to remain relatively silent for now. Peace to all. MLS Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11766 alt.alien.visitors:9333 sci.skeptic:30881 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65736@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 06:38:39 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com><65284@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> <65410@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> Lines: 15 Dear World: I just got back from a unplanned astral dream that I went to Russian and observed the people and country. They have a wonderful heritage and I came back with tears in my eyes. Sorry to appear so sentimental. It reminds my of one of my 14 past lives that I have investigated. The life I'm referring to is a life I spent after Jesus lived in the Holy Lands. I was a teacher of christianity and was one of the first to be thrown in the arena in Rome. Now back to the real world. Last week a person sent me over 102k bits of information. I appreciated the info. but I get fined if I get more than 100k of infor- mation on my E-mail account in a days time. I have been guilty of sending that amount of info. to one person in one day myself. So everyone send me anything you like but please limit it to about 30k bits. Cheers. John Winston Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) Subject: Re: Tass bug Message-ID: <6610.716313424@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 12 Sep 92 03:51:19 +0000. <6#wnrzp.rkrouse@netcom.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 6 Date: 12 Sep 92 15:57:14 GMT > When reading alt.alien.visitors "tass" dumps core. Why? >How can it be fixed? The aliens are upon us all!! j/k -D Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) Subject: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory? Message-ID: <7269.716314244@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 33 Date: 12 Sep 92 16:10:54 GMT I saw that sightings show last night on television and found it rather interesting. One things I thought about (long after the show was over) was how could these aliens exist. Being somewhat of a pagan, I believe in the theory of evolution. My point is, if the world began development at the same instant (the Big Bang as scientists are still trying to prove), how can one species be so much more developed than another? If a UFO can be sighted, not visible by radar, and literally DEFY all of the laws of physics here on Earth, were the evolution conditions so terrible that evolved into some other species of LESSER intellect? Now, there was a priest on the show last night who explained the UFO's in a more spiritual point of view. He quoted something from the bible regarding "angels can come in any form". He didn't try to disbelieve what he saw but tried to explain it. So, UFO's are now mentioned in the bible. God lives in some galaxy on the other side of the universe and is send angels to Earth in UFO's? Sorry. I don't believe that either. If this was the case, then all of the testimonies of those who were supposedly adbucted and quite possible harmed by space aliens have just been thrown out the door. Plus, all of the claims of the world being infested and taken over by aliens is thrown out the door. C'mon, God wouldn't ABDUCT his creation and TAKE OVER the world for destruction. So, UFO's speak for themselves. UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT. Whether it is from outer space, the fourth dimension, or a tennis ball flying through the sky this question will never be answered NOR proven to me until one lands in my front yard, knocks on my door, and takes me for a ride..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Darrow Linder jlinder@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu University of California Irvine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!dcs.ed.ac.uk!clc From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The aliens have landed Message-ID: <43866@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Date: 12 Sep 92 18:22:39 GMT References: <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <11vng2d.rickg@netcom.com> Sender: nnews@dcs.ed.ac.uk Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) Lines: 28 In article <11vng2d.rickg@netcom.com> Rick Gordon writes: > > My advice: Don't be a hero. Keep your distance, but keep them in sight. > If they've landed in Scotland, they may be off course, therefore irritable > and dangerous. Don't poke fun at them. > > Keep us informed. They spent about three hours exploring every corner of the garden, and they must have noticed that there is no way to get out of it, unless you either smash one door or go away with the spaceship again. This I forgot to mention earlier: there is no way to get into that garden unless you enter this building first, or come down from the sky; and none of us can go and see where they decided to hide their spaceship, because we don't have the keys. In any case, after your advice I don't think I'd go out and see. After three hours I gave up. I hadn't eaten anything since lunchtime, so I asked somebody else to observe them, and went to get something to eat. In the meantime, they managed to get somehow out of the inner garden and started exploring the garden just outside this building. Apparently, their ship is still hidden in the inner garden. I guess that they know that we cannot get in there, at least until Monday morning when there is a janitor here. When anybody tries to get nearby they make some threatening sounds and make sure that the person goes away again. I think that they must be dangerous. Please keep sending useful advice. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Where can you get a good regressionist these days? Message-ID: Date: 12 Sep 92 20:14:42 GMT References: <18qrs8INNah3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 20 To: stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com Hi, stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com (David) writes: If no one specializes in abduction regressions here, how would one go about looking for a "standard" hypnotist who might be able to do the job? ... licensed hypnotists advertise in the yellow pages (typically for stopping smoking, eating disorders, things like that). I would suggest you ask your family doctor for advise on who to go to. Make sure whomever you pick has actually been trained as a hypnotist, and is licensed to practice hypnotherapy. (Often such people are professional psychologists.) Be careful of a place that says things like "professional hypnotists under medical supervision" (which could mean whoever actually conducts the session is not actually well trained to do so, but there is a doctor somewhere in the building...) -- just like going a doctor or dentist, make sure you're not going to an quack... Charles Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!pellns.alleg.edu!news From: frisinv@alleg.edu Subject: Re: Why are aliens "bad" Message-ID: <1992Sep12.201838.23179@pellns.alleg.edu> Sender: news@pellns.alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College References: <1992Sep9.145004.16149@ntb.ch> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:18:38 GMT Lines: 11 In article <1992Sep9.145004.16149@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: > > In Findhorn I once heard that there were twelve kinds of known ETs. > Can someone fill me in on any of them? I only really know of the greys > and the Nordic types. Perhaps Email would be the best medium, as I > wouldn't like anybody to get "flamed" for boring some of our experts. > Or is this not common knowledge? Please email me the same information (frisinv@alleg.edu). thanks Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!pellns.alleg.edu!news From: frisinv@alleg.edu Subject: Re: Why are aliens "bad" Message-ID: <1992Sep12.201917.23258@pellns.alleg.edu> Sender: news@pellns.alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College References: <1992Sep9.145004.16149@ntb.ch> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:19:17 GMT Lines: 11 In article <1992Sep9.145004.16149@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: > > In Findhorn I once heard that there were twelve kinds of known ETs. > Can someone fill me in on any of them? I only really know of the greys > and the Nordic types. Perhaps Email would be the best medium, as I > wouldn't like anybody to get "flamed" for boring some of our experts. > Or is this not common knowledge? Please email me the same information (frisinv@alleg.edu). thanks Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory? Message-ID: Date: 12 Sep 92 20:51:18 GMT References: <7269.716314244@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 24 jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) writes: My point is, if the world began development at the same instant (the Big Bang as scientists are still trying to prove), how can one species be so much more developed than another? ... if the big-bang and associated planet formation theories are followed, there is plenty of room for alternate "start-times" for different societies. Since the distribution of matter in the universe is non-uniform, different stars will There is also a certain amount of cultural effect on technological progress. Some cultures invent and assimilate new technology faster than others. In a lot of ways, Europe and North America's historic technogical lead is not from being particularly smarter or better than other cultures, but its competitive nature led it to exploit new technologies much more quickly. (For instance, the Chinese invented gunpowder, but the Europeans were the ones to exploit it to great advantage.) So at another level, your "same time means same development" argument is incorrect, since we see examples of cultures at differing levels of technical progress, but human beings as a group all come from a the same evolutionary process. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11770 alt.alien.visitors:9341 sci.skeptic:30895 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sample.eng.ohio-state.edu!purdue!yuma!lamar!arsmith From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: Date: 12 Sep 92 20:53:38 GMT References: <65410@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 10 Okay guys, I'm gonna try an experiment. Hypothesis: It is possible for John Winston to send his picture to me using astral travel, or whatever he calls it. Procedure: John has agreed to help me out with this, so next wednesday at 11:00(Hey, what time zone!) I'm gonna chant or stick a mango in my ear or whatever it takes to get him to send me his picture. Then he's gonna send it snail mail. I'll compare pictures and report back. I'm going in stating that I have never ridden the astral convoy before, nor beena member of any religious, new age, or spiritual organizaton. My intrest in this is solely scientific. Mail hasmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (my dad) if you don't believe me. I am endeavoring to remain belief neutral until the experiment is over. Big Al. who is reading sci.skeptic. Maybe will add some data. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!rickg From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) Subject: Re: The aliens have landed Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 20:41:32 GMT Organization: Netcom - Watching the Skies References: <43866@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 45 In article <43866@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Claudia Calvelli writes: >They spent about three hours exploring every corner of the garden, and >they must have noticed that there is no way to get out of it, unless you >either smash one door or go away with the spaceship again. This I forgot >to mention earlier: there is no way to get into that garden unless you >enter this building first, or come down from the sky; and none of us can >go and see where they decided to hide their spaceship, because we don't >have the keys. In any case, after your advice I don't think I'd go out >and see. I'm glad you agree that surveillance is a better course, at this stage, than confrontation. We can't know what their intentions are, or what destructive technology they have mastered. It would be a shame to turn the British Isles into a boiling hole in the sea over a misunderstanding. >After three hours I gave up. I hadn't eaten anything since lunchtime, >so I asked somebody else to observe them, and went to get something to >eat. In the meantime, they managed to get somehow out of the inner garden >and started exploring the garden just outside this building. Apparently, >their ship is still hidden in the inner garden. I guess that they know >that we cannot get in there, at least until Monday morning when there is >a janitor here. > >When anybody tries to get nearby they make some threatening sounds and make >sure that the person goes away again. I think that they must be dangerous. >Please keep sending useful advice. Under no circumstances should you alert the authorities. That's the mistake many contactees have made, and I can tell you from experience there's no end to your trouble once you start on that path. Your biggest uncertainty at the moment is knowing who you can trust, and to be safe I suggest you trust nobody, not your co-workers, not the University, not even your husband (if you're married, and I have a feeling you might be). This could be the opening stage of something very big, Claudia, and we're fortunate to have such a careful observer as yourself there to report the facts as you see them. Be careful out there, young lady. -- Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: re: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <16317074269@tron.gun.de> Date: 12 Sep 92 14:57:00 GMT Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Lines: 17 WARREN%ITEXJCT.JCT.AC.IL@USENET.ZER schreibt in einer Message vom 10.09.92 12:14 Uhr: > Gosh, I hope they don't take away Usenet to keep Gary from posting to > it. They can't. If they keep Gary from posting to Usenet, everyone who has read his messages would believe that everything was true what he wrote. So if they let him posting, there are much guys who perhaps doesn's believe him. So what would you do if you were an alien? greets Joerg ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: The world is coming to an end... SAVE YOUR BUFFERS!!! Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11771 alt.alien.visitors:9344 sci.skeptic:30898 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!nntp.hut.fi!vipunen.hut.fi!hpesonen From: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep12.213223.15751@nntp.hut.fi> Sender: usenet@nntp.hut.fi (Usenet pseudouser id) Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Reply-To: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen) Organization: Helsinki University of Technology References: <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> <65736@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:32:23 GMT Lines: 18 In article <65736@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: >Dear World: I just got back from a unplanned astral dream that I went ... >of the first to be thrown in the arena in Rome. Now back to the real >world. Last week a person sent me over 102k bits of information. I >appreciated the info. but I get fined if I get more than 100k of infor- >mation on my E-mail account in a days time. I have been guilty of >sending that amount of info. to one person in one day myself. So >everyone send me anything you like but please limit it to about >30k bits. >Cheers. >John Winston You mean 30 k bytes of course? Harri -- Harri Pesonen, Helsinki, Finland, Europe? Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!pipex!warwick!str-ccsun!dct.ac.uk!ccdarg From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The aliens have landed Message-ID: <1992Sep12.213657.324@dct.ac.uk> Date: 12 Sep 92 21:36:57 +0100 References: <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <11vng2d.rickg@netcom.com> <43866@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 12 In article <43866@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) writes: > When anybody tries to get nearby they make some threatening sounds and make > sure that the person goes away again. I think that they must be dangerous. > Please keep sending useful advice. I don't suppose there are a lot of weeds in the garden by any chance? -- Alan Greig Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH Dundee Institute of Technology Tel: (0382) 30881 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!laidbak!obdient!amiserv!amiganet!chameleo From: chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Siriusly.... Message-ID: Date: 11 Sep 92 16:48:35 GMT References: <1992Sep8.145206.7999@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems Lines: 36 In article , chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari) writes... >>Any opinions on the book "The Sirius Mystery" by R.K. Temple???? > >Yes, it's rubbish. Nothing the Dogon people knew about was unknown to mankind >at the time they were anthropologically investigated. In fact, there's some >evidence of bad astronomical data being passed to them, data which has since >been proven wrong. >-Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com Hmmmmmmm.... Not the way i heard it..... Got any references???? They knew that sirius b was a small and heavy star , that it revolved around Sirius A every fifty years in an elliptical orbit ,and that it rotates on it's axis.... So how could men with no instruments at their disposal could know the movements and certain characteristics of stars which are totally invisible to the naked eye???? What is this BAD ASTRONOMICAL DATA of which you speak??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR STINKINESS TO YOURSELF????? R.H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11772 alt.alien.visitors:9347 sci.skeptic:30900 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65755@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 17:09:16 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> <65736@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep12.213223.15751@nntp.hut.fi> Lines: 4 Dear Everybody: Big Al this sounds more like a shootout at the OK Coral but I'm game for anything. You be aware of my presence if all goes well. That right Hari, bits means bytes. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory? Message-ID: Date: 13 Sep 92 00:17:21 GMT References: <7269.716314244@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 64 jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) writes: My point is, if the world began development at the same instant (the Big Bang as scientists are still trying to prove), how can one species be so much more developed than another? ... if the big-bang and associated planet formation theories are followed, there is plenty of room for alternate "start-times" for different interstellar societies. Since the distribution of matter in the universe is non-uniform, different stars will develop at different times, some will go supernova at different times, and so on. Since heavy (like carbon) and superheavy (like uranium) elements require supernovas to be created, any life formed from or using these will appear at different times in the life of the universe. There will be a long delay after the big-bang while this process is "initializing" (first-generation stars forming), but after that, novas-and-following-star-formation will happen at different times. Also, the actual development of life on an individual planet wouldn't necessarily happen at the same rates or in the same way. It depends on environment, radiation, etc. There is also a certain amount of cultural effect on technological progress. Some cultures invent and assimilate new technology faster than others. In a lot of ways, Europe and North America's historic technogical lead is not from being particularly smarter or better than other cultures, but its competitive nature led it to exploit new technologies much more quickly. (For instance, the Chinese invented gunpowder, but the Europeans were the ones to exploit it to great advantage -- the Chinese were certainly not dumber than the Europeans- in a lot of ways they were smarter - but in that period, their culture actually impeded development of new technologies.) So at another level, your "same time means same development" argument is incorrect, since we see examples of cultures at differing levels of technical progress here on Earth, but human beings as a group all come from the same evolutionary process. Remember that we're talking about billions of years here. The age of the universe is 10 or 20 billion years old, and our sun is about 5 billion. However, the lifetime of asupernova-candidate stars (for instance, B-class stars) is 'only' 8-400 milllion years. So, even with the low-estimate of the age of the universe, there's plenty of time for lots of supernova-child 'G' stars to arise, and to arise at different times, due to the variation in lifetime of the 'parent'. If a UFO can be sighted, not visible by radar, and literally DEFY all of the laws of physics here on Earth, ... well, we know aircraft can be not seen on radar - we've got some of 'em. You're also making assumptions about the craft that are seen "defying the laws of physics", notably that the craft have just-like-us living beings on them, and that we know all there is to know about physics (we don't.) So, UFO's are now mentioned in the bible. ... this, as you might imagine, is not a particularly accepted view, by religious as well as non-religious people. Charles PS - sources: Steven Hawking's "A Brief History of Time", and "First Contact", Ben Bova and Byron Preiss, editors. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!black.clarku.edu!vax.clarku.edu!plowenstein From: plowenstein@vax.clarku.edu Subject: RE: Mysterious Happening Message-ID: <12SEP92.21125773@vax.clarku.edu> Sender: news@black.clarku.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Clark University References: <16sgtaINNpl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <1992Aug19.064901.1185@odin.corp.sgi.com> <1992Aug19.165303.1844@HQ.Ileaf.COM> Date: 12 SEP 92 21:12:57 GMT Lines: 1 funky story Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!Don_-_Showen From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Where can you get a good regressionist these days? Message-ID: <65770@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 00:05:29 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <18qrs8INNah3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Lines: 9 David asks >Any suggestions are much appreciated. I suggest you ask if the person is open to past lives and et contact. One that is not can get kind of screwy when running into that stuff. I have cleaned up a few people who ran into things the hypnotist could not handle. It usually results in the hypnotist invalidating the persons experience, which does cause problems. DS Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!psgrain!percy!parsely!agora!krowell From: krowell@agora.rain.com (Keith Rowell) Subject: UFO/alien themes in ads Message-ID: Organization: Open Communications Forum Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:39:55 GMT Lines: 115 I'm trying to catalog the use of UFO/alien themes in advertisements, especially in nationally distributed ads in the print or electronic media. Here's what I have so far. If you have any information on others, please email me or reply to the net. Thanks a lot. I'll periodically send out what I have so we can see how this current infatuation with UFO/alien themes develops through the 1990s. Keith Rowell Advertisements Featuring UFOs/aliens as a Theme 1. 1991. LEVI's cotton dockers TV ads of a year ago with murmured conversation about EBE's while we watch gentlemen at a backyard barbecue party.(KR) 2. 1988? Ad in Av Week showing torso of typical gray alien. Copy was minimal. Company?(KR) 3. 1991. TCBY TV ad showing a night scene of a TCBY store, a UFO arriving, an alien disembarking, going into the store, coming out with a yogurt, embarking, and disappearing into the night.(KR) 4. 1991. Taco Bell's place mat with tabloid theme with a UFO part. (KR) 5. 1991. A well known battery maker is putting out the older couple in front of a vast pasture, where they are there ostensibly to capture UFO's on film (message - make sure you got the BEST battery to do it)... "Where's Wilbur?"(Don Allen) 6. 1991? A well known Cereal maker...puts out a real fast intro blurb "The UFO's have landed"..goes right into the rest of the commercial without any further explanation..(Don Allen) 7. 1991? A HARDEES commercial for their burgers...the car driving off in the last few frames of the commercial...has "UFO" on NEVADA license plates...(Don Allen) 8. Summer 1984. LEVI's sponsored finale to the 1984 Olympics wherein a UFO is lowered into a darkened LA Colisseum.(KR) 9. June 1992. Miller Lite commercial features a dog in a rural ranch setting hearing something. He goes out back where a party of 20 or more aliens is having a good time. This segues into a segment on crop circles ending with the work "Lite" as a crop symbol.(KR) 10. June 1991. AT&T magazine ad appearing in Newsweek, Achitectural Digest, and elsewhere?, showing to men golfers in a golf cart on a golf course at sunset being lifted in a beam emanating from a hovering flying saucer. (KR) 11. 1991. Universal Studio ad for their ET exhibit. (KR) 12. June 1992. Logitech ad in various consumer computer magazines showing a bust of a typical alien holding a Logitech Trackman mouse. Copy says "Trackman. The Intelligent Way to Conquer Space." (KR) 13. July 1992 Esquire and other magazines. American Express Card ad showing a bust of a goofy looking typical alien (but with ears!) holding an American Express card. Copy says "You're right of the plane. They don't know you from Adam. And you expect to be recognized as a respected, responsible person of the world? Absolutely." (KR) 14. August 1992 Newsweek and other magazines. Ad for diamond jewelry from Mayer's Jewelry Company. It shows two ging fortysomethings lounging on their porch. Copy says "Nehru Jackets. Hip Huggers. Bean Bag Chairs. Strollers. Tricycles. Bicycles. Skateboards. UFOs. Disco. Needlepoint Pillows. New Age Music. Shin Splints. Your love flourished through it all." (KR) 15. May 18, 1992 Aviation Week and Space Technology. One page ad has a classic Daniel Fry saucer photo. Copy says "One of the few aircraft systems we haven't worked with. Yet." (KR) 16. 1991 & 1992 Portland Oregonian and Trimet bus company. Ads for KUFO, a local soft rock radio station. Logo features a stylized UFO streaking across "101 KUFO". (KR) 17. August 26, 1991, Business Journal of Portland, OR. Full page ad for a local ad agency Rosen/Brown Direct. Shows employees with shaved heads and alien make up. Copy says "Secret to Rosen/Brown Success Discovered!" (KR) 18. 1991. A page from the American Express Card Video Service Catalog shows space and science fiction related videos you can order: a Ray Bradbury movie The Martian Chronicles, the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey, the Eduard Meier UFO videos, and NASA space footage videos. Meier copy says "Filmclips of U.F.O.'s! In the mid 1970s, Swiss farmer Eduard Meier experienced *and documented* [emphasis in original] a series of contacts with extraterrestrials. His encounters are the best documented ever, with crystal clear photos, 8mm film, sound recordings, and metal specimens that aren't found on earth!" (KR) Xref: icaen alt.paranormal:5778 alt.conspiracy:18307 alt.alien.visitors:9352 alt.mindcontrol:268 Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!kksys.com!edgar!brainiac!lmt!alexa@county.lmt.mn.org From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander) Subject: Matrix III Review Message-ID: <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> Sender: usenet@lmt.mn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: alexa.lmt.com Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:27:34 GMT Lines: 107 ----- >From the Arcturus Catalog (1992-9, September) Arcturus Books Inc. PO Box 83183 Stone Mountain, GA 30083-0023 (404) 297-4624 ----- MATRIX III: THE PSYCHO-SOCIAL CHEMICAL BIOLOGICAL AND ELECTRONIC MANIPULATION OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS By Valdamar Valerian First Edition. LEADING EDGE RESEARCH GROUP -- 1992 -- ISBN # 111114730 5 1/2 x 11 Velo-Binding, 907 pages, 1,540 line-item index With an introduction by Michael Topper $55.00 ------------------------------ This book goes into precise detail on how the consciousness of human beings is being modified by psychological and social institutions, specific chemicals added to the food, water and environment, and how the tactical aspects of chemical biological and electromagnetic warfare are being implemented in order to support the aims of the planetary power structure known as the New World Order. The book begins with a section familiarizing the reader with basic scientific information about resonance, oscillation, vibration and frequency and moves rapidly into discussions about human auric band structures, frequencies and telepathic interaction. MATRIX III discusses all the aspects of the natural electromagnetic fields of the earth, holographic aspects of the universe and consciousness, morphological fields, hard-to find data on the human brain and neurophysiology, brain structures and consciousness and brain circuitry as applied to human consciousness and behavior. Psychosocial aspects of human society are discussed in detail with emphasis on belief systems, perception, the triune functions of security, sensation and power in human society, four separate levels of social manipulation, including detailed data on consciousness, genetics, manipulations of humans outside of the physical realm and beyond. The use of specific substances in the food and water is discussed in great detail with emphasis on effects and intent. If you live in this society today this book is a must-have item. The elements of population control through the use of biological organisms is discussed all the way from the very concept of disease to the covert production of biological weapons under the guise of various government programs. Incredible data. There is more information on disease in this book than you will ever find anywhere else; much information in this book has been gleaned from Freedom of Information requests. Sections on biological warfare the immune system, immunizations and vaccinations, neural fungi, zoonotlc diseases and veterinary biology, viruses (both human and extra-human), and revealing data on who runs the major drug and chemical companies and how it is all connected. The section on electronic mind control in this book has no equal, going even beyond that done in MATRIX II. MATRIX III discusses the very groundwork of electromagnetic spectrum use, the deliberate suppression of data (which is revealed) that could have completely changed the planet, a host of data on advanced mind control applications that goes beyond anything you have ever seen before. In short, everything you always wanted to know about what is going on including the new electronic networks, use of the cellular telephone system, mind control projects (up-to-date) and manipulations of the earth grid vortices of the earth itself. Interspersed with the material comes a host of data supplementary material interviews and revealing information. The "Final Scenario" is discussed relative to the New World Order and the plans for total economic control, a one-world religion, and the electronic mind control objectives, schools of thought and research. MATRIX III brings out in detail how various families in the United States and Europe are involved in a scenario which has as its main tenet the suppression and elimination of human beings on many levels -- a scenario which includes worldwide traffic in drugs, vast laundering of drug money by national banks of several countries, and assassination and murder. These are the people who arranged and supported all the wars. There is discussion of the Bush family and how Prescott Bush assisted the finance and management of the Nazi empire -- the so-called Hitler Project. Perhaps the greatest feature of the book is the material on consciousness which, when combined with the book in a holistic way, has the potential of assisting you toward conscious empowerment and understanding of the drama which is occurring on a vastly higher level. Michael Topper makes an active contribution in a series of articles that catapult the reader into a state of non-dual awareness -- a state which is required in order to evaluate the book -- and your life. MATRIX III is a whole new experience including much more than can be detailed in this brief review. It is a brand new adventure in consciousness. (ALSO AVAILABLE -- MATRIX II, approx. 670 pages, material similar to above, $52.50 and MATRIX I, approx. 370pp, the ORIGINAL Matrix volume, reprint of the 200-copy first Arcturus edition of 1989, now only $37.50) Xref: icaen alt.paranormal:5780 alt.conspiracy:18308 alt.alien.visitors:9353 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!gmd.de!Germany.EU.net!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!cam From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Matrix III Review Message-ID: <25782@castle.ed.ac.uk> Date: 13 Sep 92 15:22:46 GMT References: <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 13 In article <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander) writes: >MATRIX III: THE PSYCHO-SOCIAL CHEMICAL BIOLOGICAL AND ELECTRONIC > MANIPULATION OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS >If you live in this society today this book is a must-have item. Sounds very nasty. Am I glad that not only do I not live in that society, but I don't even live in that universe! -- Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh +44 (0)31 650 3085 Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205 Xref: icaen alt.paranormal:5781 alt.conspiracy:18309 alt.alien.visitors:9354 alt.mindcontrol:269 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!charnel!cindy!BTAYLOR From: BTAYLOR@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU (Beverly Taylor) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol Subject: Re: Matrix III Review Message-ID: <1992Sep13.162929.21643@ecst.csuchico.edu> Date: 13 Sep 92 16:29:29 GMT References: <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> Sender: news@ecst.csuchico.edu (no news is good news) Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: mlibe-mac10.csuchico.edu In article <25782@castle.ed.ac.uk> Chris Malcolm, cam@castle.ed.ac.uk writes: >In article <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex >Alexander) writes: > >>MATRIX III: THE PSYCHO-SOCIAL CHEMICAL BIOLOGICAL AND ELECTRONIC >> MANIPULATION OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS > >>If you live in this society today this book is a must-have item. > >Sounds very nasty. Am I glad that not only do I not live in that >society, but I don't even live in that universe! >-- >Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh +44 (0)31 650 3085 >Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University >5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205 I SECOND THAT! MY TRUTH (AND I EMPHASIZE "MY TRUTH") IS THAT WE CREATE OUR OWN REALITY. WITHOUT GOING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ON THAT ISSUE, I DO NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN FEAR. AT THE SAME TIME, I AM NOT A "BURY MY HEAD IN THE SAND" TYPE OF PERSON. BY PERPETUATING THAT KIND OF FEAR AND DREAD ABOUT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN, WE CREATE THE VERY WORLD WE SO DESPARATELY FEAR. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11777 alt.alien.visitors:9355 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65780@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 08:10:38 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> Lines: 55 Subject: My Friend Len. Part 5. It might be best to explain exactly where the spot is that Len and I had our encounter with the space people in more detail before going further in our story. A person should first find the city of Fremont, Calif. which is in the San Francisco Bay Area. Next find the small city of Niles. At the corner of Niles Canyon Road and Mission Blvd you'll find a small hamburger joint. From that point go east for about 3 miles and you'll go under the first railroad overcrossing. Don't turn there but go on till you come to a sign that says Golden Gate Baptist Church. Go about 100 yards more then make your turn to the left. Go up this road till you see the second set of warning signs (just small white signs with some number on them). The second of these signs is the place where you just have enough room to turn off the road (about 15 feet to pull over in). At this spot at night telepathically contact the space people. Next go up the road about a mile and on your left you'll see a large parking area and don't be surprised if has all sorts of no parking signs on it. Part there for a while and the space people wull probubly work on you, like they did me. Now back to our story. I was also shown a certain steel fence (out beside the Baptist Church) and on this fence people had seen the little people (sometimes called leprechauns,fairies, gnomes or what have you). They are seen at times by people on the fence and in the large oak trees along the road. Its amazing to me that so many things could be goiing on in such a small area (its all about 2 miles across). In all this area contains ghost, leprechauns, IFOs and Sasquatch. After going through this experience with the spiritual space people some real odd things started to happen to me. At work I was working a large power suppoly when I touched a circuit breake when I had a steel bolt in my hand. I came close to a circuit beaker that had 480 volts AC fused at 225 amps. The voltage jumped through the bolt, through my hand, and jumped about one sixteenth of an inch to the metal chassis. When this voltage jumped it made a snapping sound. When we checked the large circuit breaker that we had turned off before we started working on this circuit we found that something or somebody had turned the circuit breaker back on. This was enough voltage to have knocked me against the wall at least. It was four times stronger than getting hit by the AC voltage in your house. The odd thing about it was that all I felt was a small shock (about 40 volts) and yet it was 480 volts AC. I'm not saying that I'd try it again and say it would happen again but it convienced me that something had changed in my physical body. After all of these experinces I started trying to locate the sasquatch that had been mentioned in that area. There are stories about frontier people who have come in contact with these type of beings and they fed the beings a side of bacon. The sasquatch took the bacon under one arm and proceeded to tear pieces of the bacon loose with the other hand and ete it raw (it had been salted). So with this informatiion I placed some salt bacon on a string hung down from a tree so only a 8 and one half or taller being could reach it. I also hung three apples on a string from a tree. The bottom apple was 10 feet above the ground the second was 12 feet and the top apple was 14 feet. The bottom apple was about 6 inches higher than a 6 feet tall person could reach. After leaving the bait out for about 3 days something came along and plucked off the middle apple (the one that was about 12 feet above the ground). It also ate the two apples that were on the ground and didn't even leave the apple cores. The apple stem was left on the string. End Part 5. John Winston. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9356 alt.conspiracy:18315 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!nmsu.edu!spidy From: spidy@acca.nmsu.edu (Da Spidy-Mon) Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <1992Sep13.203005.15973@nmsu.edu> Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu Organization: New Mexico State University X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 References: <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:30:05 GMT Lines: 23 OH MY GAWD!!! MY roomate has been cloned!!!!! NO shit! I was like getting ready for bed last night..He had like fallen asleep and then ALL of the sudden he starts chanting in an alien tongue...then this WEIRD green light came over him I was scared shitless! What should I do? I NEED HELP!!! -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [ Da Spidy-Mon ] [ Some of these views are mine, mostly mine, Okay, they ARE mine! =-) ] [ I am Da Spidy-Mon, hear me crawl!!! ] [ ] [ spidy@rever.nmsu.edu /\_/\ ] [ spidy@webhead.async.vt.edu (Bad spider drawing) ] [ (YES, it is my OWN machine =-) ] [_____________________________________________________________________________] Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11779 alt.alien.visitors:9357 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!uuisis!bbs From: doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson) Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 19:30:02 GMT Message-ID: References: <65780@cup.portal.com> Sender: bbs@uuisis.isis.org Lines: 33 John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: > After leaving the bait out for about 3 days something came along and plucke > off the middle apple (the one that was about 12 feet above the ground). It > also ate the two apples that were on the ground and didn't even leave the > apple cores. The apple stem was left on the string. Next time, John, have that string tied to a switch that can trigger a camera, and put a camera with a flash and a wide angle lens in the tree to cover the area. That way you know if it was a ten year old Boy Scout with his Scout staff or a Sasquatch that collected the bait. If it is a Sasquatch, it probably won't know what a camera is and probably won't disturb your equipment. If the camera and the apples are missing, I think you can postulate a member of homo sapiens with a stick :-). Ok - so use a cheap camera! Then you can digitize the photos, uuencode them, and post them to the newsgroup :-). =Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP: uunet.ca!uuisis.isis.org!doug Voice: 613-722-4724 DNS: doug@uuisis.isis.org, doug@uuisis.UUCP, doug@isishq.fidonet.org SKAN Communications Inc POST: P.0. Box 3041, Stn C., Ottawa, K1Y 4J3, CANADA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!nntp1.radiomail.net!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65798@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 14:56:43 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <61006@cup.portal.com> Lines: 35 Subject: Ruins of the 30,000 Year Old City. Part 6. R. as I said before is the editor of a magazine callled Unicus, and he is engaged to a oriental young lady, who is the publisher of Unicus. It ssems that according to R. in a previous life R. had lived in the Plieades and Orion when he was being pursued in his space craft by some other people who were trying to kill him. He at that time dropped by and picked up this lady who now is his finance and didn't tell her what was going on. While he was trying to get away in his space craft they were all killed and were then reborn to regualr parents here on earth. R. was born as a caucasian male and his finance as an oriental female. She was pretty mad when she was born and didn't know why she was here but finally found out how she got here and now she is happy. Some of the plants that you see in this area I have never seen before and I'm prettly farmiliar with plants. One of the plants in particular had a large flower that looked like a white catus and had sort of a flour substance that came off of it when you shook it. It looked like something from another planet that you would see on an episode of Star Trek. During about one half or three quarters through the trip we came to an area called Split Rock Picnic Area and this area can be found on some of the trail maps. It is a good area to look up to find the city as it comes above ground. We were setting around these old picnic tables and noticed that there were thousands of lady bugs on the tables. We didn't pay much attention to them and let them crawl over us. Most of the people on the trip were a bunch of nature lovers anyway. I made it a point to not remember any of the people's names so that I could write about them and their experiences without having to get their permissiion. The first lady was an attractive lady who had just come out of a wheelchair due to being in an accident a few months before. She was assured that the trail would be a piece of cake (very easy to walk it). I'm susre that the trail did seem to be a piece of cake to R. because he is young (about 30 more or less) and has run these trails before (not hiked but run). This lady in the past had been sort of a psychic person who people would phone in and ask question to on a radio station down in LA, sort of like Silvia Brown (except she had never heard about Silvia). End Part 6. John Winston Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!ucsu!ucsu.Colorado.EDU!rau From: rau@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Drau) Subject: TESTING Message-ID: <1992Sep13.213517.28267@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:35:17 GMT Lines: 3 Ignore this. This is not a transmission from Mars. I am human. Really. Xref: icaen alt.paranormal:5782 alt.conspiracy:18316 alt.alien.visitors:9360 alt.mindcontrol:270 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!stanford.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol Subject: Re: Matrix III Review Message-ID: Date: 13 Sep 92 22:48:41 GMT References: <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> Followup-To: alt.paranormal Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 29 Hi, Some things you should know: > By Valdamar Valerian ... is a a pseudonym for John Grace, also author of "Matrix" and "Matrix II". (The "Krill" stuff that surfaces every so often is from the same chap, along with John Lear.) Grace is a pal of John Lear's, who has admitted that the "Krill" stuff is all faked (which you should remember when reading its "volume 3".) You may well ask, why should Grace keep doing this? > $55.00 ... personally, I would love to read this, just like I loved reading the Krill stuff, but I'm not going to fork over 55 bucks for the privilege. > If you live in this society today this book is a must-have item. ... hee hee! Now *that* is advertising! Who is this Michael Topper fellow, anyway? Charles PS - source: various Paranet digests. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9361 alt.conspiracy:18317 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!ukma!rutgers!cmcl2!psinntp!psinntp!dorsai.com!carlos From: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Domenguiz) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! Message-ID: <71w1qB3w165w@dorsai.com> Date: 13 Sep 92 04:59:05 GMT References: Sender: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Domenguez) Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018 Lines: 19 pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes: > > WAIT! there is another way! when they are taking a shower > sneak a listen to see if they sing this song: > > i am a clone > i am not alone > every fiber of my flesh and bone > is identical to the other > Maybe you got this song confused with the LOG SONG on alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy! Read the FAQ for more info... ...What rolls down stairs... ======================:) .sig worm meeting (:============================ carlos@dorsai.com Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!rhys From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO/alien themes in ads Message-ID: <10279@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> Date: 14 Sep 92 01:06:50 GMT References: Sender: news@cs.uq.oz.au Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au Lines: 41 In krowell@agora.rain.com (Keith Rowell) writes: >I'm trying to catalog the use of UFO/alien themes in >advertisements, especially in nationally distributed ads >in the print or electronic media. Here's what I have so far. >If you have any information on others, please email me or reply >to the net. Thanks a lot. Great list Keith. Now for an Australian one: the Gobbledok has been a frequent visitor to Australian TV screens over the past few years in adverts for Smiths Crisps. I can't remember when he first appeared (any other Aussies know?) but he's quite a cult figure now. :-) Some facts about the Gobbledok (please correct me if I get anything wrong Aussies): - Comes from the Potato Planet (and gets very homesick). - Loves Smiths Crisps. - Phrases he is known to utter: "Chippie!! Chippie!! Chippie!!", "Chippies!!", "Smithies!!". These are uttered in a high-pitched voice. (It's not unusual to hear Aussie kids talk about "Chippies", meaning they want some chips :-) . - Short, about the size of an Ewok, furry, but a different face: big nose and eyes, and no hair on the face. Usually also a punk-style hairdo. - Fast! Early adverts would have a young couple sitting in their house (or on the porch - can't remember which) eating Smiths Crisps, and the Gobbledok would run past at high speed and steal them. - The latest adverts have the Gobbledok and an Aussie farmer (and sometimes the farmer's wife) eating Smiths Crisps with the Gobbledok, and the ad usually ends with "You're not from around here, are you?" at which point the Gobbledok looks at them with a strange expression on his face, as if to say, "Are you stupid or something - of course I'm not from around here!". :-) All in all, the Gobbledok is cute and friendly. If only the greys took after him ... :-) Cheers, Rhys. -- Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia. rhys@cs.uq.oz.au "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a80 From: Greg_Goss@mindlink.bc.ca (Greg Goss) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO/alien themes in ads Message-ID: <15105@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 14 Sep 92 01:39:41 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 15 Ads with a UFO theme? You didn't mention Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Crop circles are caused by R's PBCs in various TV and bus ads often featuring a baffled scientist with a PBC landing and taking off again behind him. I don't know how wide the airplay is on these. I didn't pay attention to which channel I saw them on (US or Canadian). .../greg -- "say NO to four-line sigs" greg_goss@mindlink.bc.ca Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ai065 From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: NOTICE:"Bigfoot/Sasquatch" Sightings Request Date: 14 Sep 1992 02:20:26 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 23 Message-ID: <190staINNfpo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Our research group is currently investigating reports and sightings of the animal known as "Bigfoot" or "Sasquatch". If you or somebody you know has had such a sighting, or come across what may be evidence supporting the existance of such an animal, please get in contact with us in one of the following formats: o Leave a private message in electronic mail. o Call Thomas Hill at 216-362-6529. o Or write: Thomas E. Hill 16124 Richard Dr. Brook Park, OH 44142 Contact with us can be totally anonymous if you wish. We are especially interested in Ohio sightings but are by no means limited to investigations in that state. Please, serious responses only. -- "A large creature about 7 1/2 to 8 foot tall. It was greyish black in color, and as it went away from me I seen the backside of it walking as a man would walk on it's hind legs."- Former Sheriff Oliver Potter, Vancouver, Washington The Cryptozoology Information Network. Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga! Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9365 alt.conspiracy:18320 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!soda.berkeley.edu!sfd From: sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Date: 14 Sep 1992 03:43:39 GMT Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1911pbINN26j@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com> <1992Sep13.203005.15973@nmsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu In article <1992Sep13.203005.15973@nmsu.edu> spidy@acca.nmsu.edu (Da Spidy-Mon) writes: ) )OH MY GAWD!!! MY roomate has been cloned!!!!! NO shit! I was like getting ready )for bed last night..He had like fallen asleep and then ALL of the sudden he )starts chanting in an alien tongue...then this WEIRD green light came over him )I was scared shitless! What should I do? I NEED HELP!!! There is no need to panic. What is your name, address, and social security number? You will be picked up soon by the Proper Authorities... do not resist. -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Scott Drellishak sfd@neuromancer.metaphor.com | | "Spumco ... the Danes call it quality." | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11783 alt.alien.visitors:9366 sci.skeptic:30936 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!rosevax!aquarius!grante From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep13.164902.25689@rosevax.rosemount.com> Sender: news@rosevax.rosemount.com (USENET News administrator) Nntp-Posting-Host: aquarius Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) Organization: Rosemount, Inc. References: <65633@cup.portal.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:49:02 GMT Lines: 26 John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: : Subject: Youth. : This story starts in a discotheque down in Guatemala when a young fellow of [bullshit deleted] : Source of information: Dec. 19, 1989, National Examiner. : John Winston. John, will you please stop doing this? If I want to read stories like this I will go out and buy a copy of the Weekly World News -- then I get pictures, so I _know_ it's true. It is not necessary for you to type in stories from tabloids and waste everybody's money transmitting them all over the world. If you insist on posting meaningless drivel (and it seems you do) at least keep it _original_ drivel. And why, for god's sake, are these stories almost three years old? If you can't be original, try to be current! -- Grant Edwards |Yow! Are we THERE yet? My Rosemount Inc. |MIND is a SUBMARINE!! | grante@aquarius.rosemount.com | Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11784 alt.alien.visitors:9367 sci.skeptic:30943 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!Don_-_Showen From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Saga of the Family of Light II Message-ID: <65832@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 00:56:04 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 545 Here is the Issue 14 Connecting Link Magazine Pleiadian article. The following article was channeled by Barbara Marciniak onto audio tape and transcribed into an article for the magazine. DS A Conversation With The Pleiadians The Saga of the Family of Light II It is time for all of you to redefine in a much greater sense your own identity. Events are transpiring in the cosmos that you and many of your political leaders have no idea of. You must stop this foolishness about your definitions of gods. You must stop this foolishness of thinking that there are beings who come from the skies to your planet with special talents and abilities and that they all are spiritually connected. You are going to discover as a species some very disturbing ideas over the next number of years; perhaps it will be not for fifteen or twenty years. Nonetheless, we are preparing you by decree of the Family of Light so that you can understand and be informed as to your own options. The Family of Light has been noted for its penchant, its predilection for creating societies where there is a tremendous movement in all directions along the light rays. What does this mean? Light is information. The Family of Light is the Family of Information. There are consciousnesses that are Families of War, that spend perhaps billions of years in your conception of time, studying, promoting, experiencing control over consciousness. In a universe that is existing out of a limitation of time, all scenarios within a free will zone get played out. This is a time for you to radically change your views about yourselves. It is time for you to bust down boundaries. It is time for you to rise [out of] the pettiness of day-to-day dramas and events, to begin to connect on a cosmic level the higher drama that is occurring so that you can be better informed for your own intentions, purposes and drama. You must be able to understand your identity and your ability to ride your identity into any world that you choose. You have had changes, many of you. Look back to see who you were one year ago and, ideally, each of you will feel much more empowered. Each of you will feel, ideally, that you do, in every instance, create your own reality. And, ideally, each of you would at this point accept that every situation that you experience, whether you are employed or unemployed, is by your own design. Ideally, at this time each and every one of you has the art of manifestation down, because it is now time for you to pull [in] the cosmic gridwork, a gridwork that is fired by light encoded filaments outside of your body and to plug this gridwork of information into your psyches so that you can become broadcasters of this data upon your planet. [It is time for you] to smash down the boundaries around you. Those boundaries came from beliefs that were given to you when you were within the system of the double helix. As the other helixes form in your body and begin to bundle information together, and the Family of Light begins to once again vibrate upon this planet and change the vibrational course of this planet. You will discover that you will need to know and believe that you are much more capable than you presently believe you are. You must be much more discerning about what and who is going to come from the skies because you are going to be duped and you are going to be tricked and you are not going to understand it. We see this because we know how easy it is to dupe you and to trick you. Sometimes we do it to you to move you along. We have said this to you. We have been very tricky with you. If we told you the whole story, many of you would have turned tail and run a long time ago. It is true. So, we have instilled in you confidence. We have instilled in you [new information] that you create yourselves, that you create your reality by your thoughts. [With that information] you could begin to formulate a world that has been designed by the Family of Light so that a plan and a new gridwork can overlay a portion of this earth and that a completely new probability can burst forward, because there is potential for a great cosmic war here upon your planet at some time. You have been given, in historical terms, names of beings and names and colors of rays and it has all been so much hocus-pocus that you do not even get a true picture of what is going on in the cosmos. You keep calling all of these beings gods, and you have a completely convoluted view. You, as members of the Family of Light, have a stance in another reality that is that identity that you read about or that others worship. It is not to be worshiped. It simply is. It is no different than the you that sits before us. It has its own drama that it is working out in the same way that you do. It simply is more informed because it operates on a different frequency than you do. You came here to bring that frequency and to let that frequency once again reign upon the planet. That frequency that is informed, that creates an equality. The Family of Light are renegades. They are definitely renegades. They bring something into reality that wreaks havoc of others' plans. And many say, "Oh, no, here comes the Light." Their systems, or their plans are set asunder because Light comes in and Light wrecks systems. Systems of information, systems of society, systems of worlds, are formed by information that someone gives you. But they are formed more by the lack of information that someone gives you. What you do not know, what others withhold from you, forms your beliefs. As in sexuality. As in no one giving you the idea from the time that you were born that your thoughts create your world, etc. So, light represents information of a sort that has so much movement that eventually all systems evolve. Light can be a systemless organization because it is constantly breaking down its boundaries. Within the Family of Light there are those who are conservative. Who want to hold on. Who want to hold systems and ideas. You are a part of the renegades. You are not going to kneel down and worship anyone. There is no master that is going to come before you that you are going to agree to follow. You may for a while because you will have forgotten. But you will know that you are from that portion of the Family of Light that continuously carries a banner of freedom, to follow no one but the inner guidance. There are those who do everything in their power to keep Light from coming into systems. There is a Divine Plan that is set about in many ways upon this planet. That Divine Plan has to do with a protection and a shielding of Light. Everything is done in its proper order. Light does not need front page advertisements or bulletin boards or newsletters. Light is a frequency and the frequency is what is spreading around the planet. As this frequency spreads, it spreads because members of the Family of Light allow information to be housed within their body and then let that information-simply be dispersed by living, by being. Can you understand there will be those who will come from the stars to your planet who will have abilities that will be incredible to the mass consciousness of the people upon this planet? These beings do not feel. They are not connected to any spiritual seeking. The choice of the seeking, of the awakening of the spiritual self is, of course, free to each person upon this planet, each person in this universe. Not everyone is going to realize it. Just as you have cultivated very powerful individuals upon your planet who do not feel, who have no connection to their emotional and spiritual consciousness, there are those who exist in space who are extremely powerful space kings, space entities, who have nothing to do with spirituality. They will be powerful forces, forces that if you meet them you could feel like David meeting Goliath. That is why it is important for all of you to learn how to alter your reality, to learn how to dance between the vibrations of frequency, to be able to flip into the station of the world that you will be wanting to experience. QUESTION: So, these highly evolved, mental beings are disconnected from their spiritual center and are not members of Light? PLEIADIANS: This is one of the great lessons for you as humans. The Family of Light portion of yourself knows this very well. But you are not awakened to that portion yet. You are still in the human portion. And the human portion has set boundaries about who is a good guy and who is a bad guy, and who is who in the space hierarchy. There have been tremendous amounts of literature on this and you have bought every one of them. We are telling you, smash all of those. Smash every one of them, including who you think we are. Over the next number of years those who come from the skies will not be members of the Family of Light. They will be the mirror of those upon the planet. We have said to you, your lesson is becoming your own authority and stopping always giving over the decision making process to governmental people or parents or teachers or what have you. It is time for the people of the earth to become sovereign. The people of the earth are going to need to be tricked first before they become aware. Many of you may find that you will be very frustrated. You will see things that others will not see. You will see a mass mania occurring upon this planet and you will not be able to live with it. You will see masses of people walk towards something, a false god that is foolishness. That will be the time, that will be the signal for you to go to your places of retreat. You are beginning to feel what may be coming. As we have said to you before, it is an awesome task to carry light. Once you put it in your body there is no stopping it. There is no saying, "I quit with the light team." Once light is there, that is it. We want you to realize that those beings who are space beings, who are on and around your planet at this time and who your governmental forces have made deals with, etc. they are dealing with the same issues that you are. There are those of the lower intelligence, the lower hierarchy, or whatever terms you wish to label them. They are beings who are reflecting your beliefs and your drama back at you. They have been accused of heinous behavior, doing mutations and abductions upon the human species that have sent an outcry among many of the organizational members of UFO study. Yet they act as a mirror to show you your world, what you acquiesce to and what you acquiesce to let your leaders do all over the world. These extraterrestrials who come here do nothing different than your own species does or that the masses allow the [leaders] to do in their name because they do not rise up and say, "Hey, I do not approve of this ! " There is a complacency upon this planet. "You do it for me. I don't want to be responsible. You become my governmental official. You become my teacher. You become my boss. Some one tell me what to do." These extraterrestrials mirror this to you. Remember the movie "V?" Many years ago, the movie "V" was shown upon your planet to give you some idea of the cunning and the conniving of certain entities who will come from space that some will indeed worship and think they are absolutely powerful masters. These scenarios are going to prove true. There is a pending merging of the human consciousness and the extraterrestrial alien presence upon this planet. It is being marketed to you at a rapid rate. What we are saying is that many of you who have studied and who used your own discernment will be shocked and appalled at the foolishness and at the worship that the rest of the race will have toward certain beings from space who will pass themselves off as your creators, even though they do not have bodies that look like yours. They will be able to do many things, share many technologies. They will perhaps cure certain diseasements that they helped create in the first place by teaching germ warfare to your planetary scientists. You will retreat because you will become disgusted with society because you will not fit with the new gods. Do you understand this? The new gods may be lizards? That's a little funny, you think? Hold on to your seats. You have no idea what is coming. That is why we said, "If we told you everything that was coming you would have scattered a long time ago." And, remember we said to you [before] that some play on both teams because they are double agents, etc. It is very complicated. It is so complicated and it is time for you to grow up and understand it. We have held your hands for quite a few moons and we are pushing your paradigms, stretching your identity because we are preparing you for something so that you will be able to stand firmly in an identity and not be crushed by what you thought was out there. Oh, dear humans, you are in for an adventure. And only you can carry this adventure out. The non-physical realms continuously support you. The members of the Family of Light are around you and with you all of the time. Yet, it is up to you to master the laws that we have shared with you and to anchor them upon this planet. When you begin to live all that we have taught you with this divine nonchalance, this trust of identity, this trust of synchronicity, this trust of being a part of a plan, then you will find that even in the midst of great calamity, of incredible odds, will you be able to defy the laws of man. QUESTION: In a sense then, Light are the destroyers. We destroy the old in order to create this new world. So we can't really take a passive role. PLEIADIANS: Of course, you do not. You take an incredibly active role. As we said to you, there are many who say, "Oh, no, here come the Light!" Light is known to alter every vibrational frequency that it encounters. Light carries information. Information expands systems. And old systems can no longer exist. So, as light moves to destroy, it births new systems by what it leaves behind. A new order is formed. [Some of you find it difficult to think of yourselves as destroyers] because you have a belief system about it. It is a paradigm. Those who get stuck within that vibration, if you do not smash those ideas, you will become very confined and restricted in experiencing reality. Yes, you are destroyers. You are definitely destroyers. You destroy systems where the Dark Team prevails, where ignorance prevails. Light goes in to destroy all systems. [When we talk about retreat.] we doubt you will want to stay. You will feel so isolated and so alone. You will feel the destruction of a belief system all around you and the formation of one that you have no relationship to, that of worship of perhaps lizard people, or some other kind of people. [The toys for children called Masters of the Universe] depict energies that are very non-spiritually connected and that are somewhat ferocious. They are legitimate depictions. Those humans or members of any consciousness that deal with struggle and that deal with fear of giving up or changing authority or the need for authority will have a tremendous combat with these creatures who are going to come from space. QUESTION: What is the most effective way that we can deal with these energies? If we engage them on their level then we are just going to their level. PLEIADIANS: This is what you are being trained for. This is where your cosmic diplomacy is going to come in very handy when those of you get your diplomas in that course. You use your feeling center. You feel these things out and you allow. You have your wits about you to not want to go out with sticks and stones and bows and arrows that you made from your backyard and attack Masters of the Universe. You allow each person to have their drama. You understand impeccably that you create your own experience. Even if it seems as if a two mile ship is going to land on top of your house. Being the destroyer on this basis means that by carrying light inside of your body, you bring that frequency onto the planet. And that frequency has information. The frequency of light is about the history of your identity. The history of your particular consciousness. As we have said, that consciousness was scattered from your data base or from your cellular structure because those who came in to be your gods could not control you if you had the same abilities that they did. So they came in and did the biogenetic experimentation and mutation that has been called "the fall." That was when the ignorance of man became more predominant. There were many different experimentations at that time. It went on for a very long period of time. Light represents the putting together of that which was asunder. All you have to do is be. As you simply be and as you evolve yourself and let your own personal life evolve, you are to take for granted, and this truly you are to take for granted, all the other members of Light are evolving as you are. You send your telepathic broadcast out that you are here, that your presence is here as we always say to you, "We are here." We are members also of the Family of Light and we bring information with us. That information is broadcast everywhere. There will be those who will seemingly be in chaos to you. To themselves they will feel as if they are in states of ecstasy for a while [when they find what they think is] new authority, a higher authority, a new paradigm, animal gods, or whatever. Back to this animal god thing. Now you know why the Egyptians have all of those statues. These beings can do miraculous things. They are the ones that your governments are going to be working with. Your government and the members of all of the commissions are going to promote and speak highly of these particular entities because these particular entities are going to assist these beings for a while to have more and more wealth. These beings who are not spiritually informed or leaning in spiritual ways, deny the existence of a force. They have developed scientific principalities and technologies that are scattering around the laws of spirituality. You all think that because you understand or you believe in the spiritual realms that each person as they evolve must naturally move into that information. It is not so. It is possible to become brilliant, a master of manipulating matter and reality without understanding spiritual connections. Very important that you learn this. QUESTION: How can connecting with our multi-dimensional selves help us? PLEIADIANS: There are portions of yourself that know of you that you do not know of. It is that that you are needing to bridge and pull together. You are an operative in the field of a larger identity, an identity that is seeking to discover all of it's field forces, all of its correspondents. And you, of course, are prime correspondent. You are in the hottest territory at this time. You are in the pivotal spot. This is the hot spot now. Ideally, you will be able to become multi-dimensional travelers and you will be able to take the force from this body. Sometimes, perhaps, you will be working in the field, perhaps you will be gardening or chatting with someone or picking strawberries and something strikes you, a sound. And you go and sit and you allow [your current earth personality] to depart and with consciousness you take [that personality to where it] is needed to add to the Family of Light's capability in that reality. And you will know it. You will know it. You all will become multidimensional players. You will travel with consciousness. It will be then that entertainment will come from the self. You will not seek to read books and listen to tapes and go to movies. You will be living those things. As you bring the abilities of the Family of Light upon this planet, others are not going to want you to be here because you will not fit with their gods. Not everyone wants to be free. You, as members of the Family of Light, are going to create a new earth that is going to be free. Those who do not wish to be free will have their earth as well. There will be a splitting and a time of separation. Members of the Family of Light know that there is no need to force anything. They are simply to work together in harmony, to support one another, to seek one another out so that you feel comfort in what you are to do because some of the things that you are to do will be outrageous. Very outrageous. QUESTION: Will we know whether these beings are Light or not by listening to our own feeling centers and intuition? PLEIADIANS: Yes, that is how you will understand if you are able to develop the ability of listening. There will be many who will turn to these and say, "Yes,-these are wonderful. I feel wonderful about them. They are so magnificent. Look what they can do." It will look as if they are coming to fix and to save your world. When in actuality, it is simply another form of authority and control. What we are saying is that people will put a belief system and a paradigm on these entities. There will be a large marketing program that is already going on to sell the presence of these entities to you. Many will turn to worshiping because it will seem as if miracles [are being performed]. It will seem [to be] the grandest event in the history of the world. It will be marketed as such. It will not be marketed as "our space brothers return." It will be marketed as if this is the first time they have ever come, as the biggest event in the history of your world. There will be a very big surprise. At first it may seem that mankind is being given a whole new opportunity, a whole new golden era. Then [you] will find that the tyrannies will be larger than ever before. The purpose, of course, is for each one to become sovereign. And for the planet to unite. [A friend of ours] used to say he wanted each person on the planet to make it. Each one is not there. Each one is not in that vibration that they all want to work in harmony at this time. The Family of Light, as it has infiltrated and penetrated this planet, is going to create its own planetary sphere, its own earth. You will do this by building first your light communities. Then by working within the cosmic rays and within the time sectors. It will take a tremendous unity of strength and harmony. QUESTION: Everywhere I look in my life, I see boundaries that I put there. There are so many of them it seems that the easiest way would be to just intend that they go away because if I have to deal with each one of them it would take a long time. PLEIADIANS: You are going to deal with each one of them. You would love to say, "Golden stardust, eliminate all that has limited me. Boom! I am free!" That is a classic example of wanting to re-circuit and bypass the feeling center. You have certain emotional beliefs or feelings that assist in making these boundaries outside of yourself. As you have to break the boundary you have to deal with the emotion that put the boundary there in the first place. Through the emotional body are you connected to the spiritual body. That is the problem to many people. They want to bypass that which is difficult because they are going to have to feel their way through it. That is the gift that you want to sweep under the rug and say, "I don't want to do this." When that is your gemstones. That is your key to breaking through each boundary, even if you discover you have 101,000 of them. The thing to do is to not feel frustrated that you have two dozen boundaries. Simply say, "Isn't this interesting." Look at the boundaries that you have set up and instead of [swearing at them,] simply observe. "Isn't this interesting." See if you can discover how it came about. What purpose it served. What grocery store you shopped in when you bought that item. As soon as you acknowledge and recognize something and be willing to release it, it moves. When you cling or when you have fear or when you think, "I like that boundary. That serves me very well." Then you limit yourself. Feeling is what connects you to your humanity. Feeling is what connects you to your emotions. Emotions are connecting you in this realm of existence to your spiritual body. What we are saying is that emotions, feelings, are the key to being alive in this reality. Many realities exist without emotions. If you want to deny the emotional self in this lifetime then you had best just realize you have hung it up. Because if you are not going to be part of an emotional self then you are never going to make the game that we are talking about. You will simply be one of the masses who watches television and feels like she is a victim over and over and over again. If you are feeling pain within your emotional body, ask yourself why you believe this pain is there and what purpose the pain serves and why do you choose to create pain through emotions. Why is it not your choice to create joy? All is choice. We need to remind you of this. Most humans are afraid of the emotional center, the feeling center. They are afraid to feel. Trust your feelings no matter what they [are]. Trust that they lead you to something, the way that you feel brings you a realization. You all want to be in life and be removed from it at the same time. "Let me just be here and be a powerful person but I don't want to feel or participate too much in it because it hurts too much and then I will get sucked down." [When] you are not afraid of feeling and you are moving past judgment and you are allowing yourself to feel all the ways that you feel and you move through it, you will come to a tremendous breakthrough because you will be able to ride feeling into other realities. [Some of you] are afraid to feel in this reality so you will not even participate in this reality, let alone ride into other realities. If you wish to have an acceleration, dive into something that brings up feeling. Stop skirting the issue so that you can think you are in control. Dive in the middle then see if you are in control. It's not that you don't know how to feel. You are afraid of your feelings. You don't know what to do with them when you have them. They bring up a sense of powerlessness within you. You associate feeling with, "Oh, no, I blew it." You have a boundary of belief system that when something comes up that is emotional, that brings pain or feeling or anger to you that that is not good. It is time to stop tip-toeing around things. Stop avoiding your emotions. QUESTION: I have a fear that when I get into my emotions and let them flow that I will become less centered. PLEIADIANS: Do you understand that because you have a fear of something it keeps you from experiencing it because you put up that wall that says, "If I go there it is bad." You put the brakes on so you don't go there. In actuality, sometimes the greatest thing is to simply say, "What the heck, I will go there." Then deal with being there while you are there and not worrying about being centered while you are in the feeling center. That is wanting to take control into that situation again. Of course, you will strive to be centered within the feeling center. But if you intend to go into the feeling center and always just be centered, you are not giving yourself the range of movement that is needed to ride the emotions that knock down boundaries and belief systems. You can make an intention to go into the feeling center and that you learn how to be centered there while you explore all of the opportunities of the feeling center. Not to say, "And I am going to be centered there." Then it sounds as if you won't allow yourself any movement within it. Strive to have eventually a centeredness. A centeredness does not mean that things don't fluctuate. It means that you allow things to fluctuate. When the you allow things to fluctuate. When the boat is ready to tip over or when it is calm water, you allow it. You ride it. Then you get out of the event, whatever the ride was, a calm ride or a rough ride. Anger serves a purpose. All of you want to get finished with it. You want to sweep it under the rug. You want to act as if it is no good. You act as if it is rotten vegetables. Throw it out. Bury it back in the garden. There is no purpose to it. What we are intending to emphasize is that there is a purpose to fear and there is a purpose to anger. If people would allow themselves to express, to experience their fears, which may lead to the expression of anger, they would learn something. Those of you who want desperately to avoid fear and anger and make a huge issue not to confront it and who are really afraid of it, you have something great to learn through these techniques and you are simply afraid to experience it. Most of the time you are wanting to be accepted. You feel, "No one will like me if I do this or if I feel this way." And you don't give yourself permission to have certain feelings. That is where the anger comes from. You make the anger because you make the judgments about what you can and cannot do. If you do not give yourself permission to feel, you cannot learn. You can have good things in your life if you do not feel. It is not a very fulfilling existence. Feeling connects you with life. We will say to you, enjoy yourselves during this time of transition. There are many wonderful discoveries to be had. We trust that you will gather all of them for yourself. This article was excerpted from the tape entitled "The Saga of the Family of Light II. " For further enlightenment on this topic, the two-tape set is available. The Pleiadians are a collective of extraterrestrials from the star system the Pleiades. The Pleiadian culture is ancient and was "seeded" from another universe of love long before Earth was created. They have formed a tremendous society which operates with love, with ideas and ideals that we are yet unfamiliar with. The Pleiadians call themselves our ancient family because many of us came here from the Pleiades to participate in the new experiment of Earth. The Pleiadians are here as ambassadors from another universe to help Earth through her transition from the third dimension to the fourth dimension and to assist each of us in our personal endeavors of awakening, remembering and knowing. Barbara J. Marciniak is an internationally known trance channel from North Carolina. She began channeling in 1988. The strength and purity of the message she is bringing very quickly captured the hearts of many seekers looking to be all that they can be. Barbara has channeled at various Expos and for groups across the United States, in Peru and in Germany. She is planning trips to Egypt, Japan, Australia and Europe in 1990. You may contact Barbara at Bold Connections, P. O. Box 6521, Raleigh, NC 27628. Connecting Link Magazine 9392 Whitneyville Rd. Alto, MI. 49302-9694 Copyrighted by Barbara Marciniak Reprinted from Connecting Link Magazine with permission. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!ub!csn!scicom!paranet!p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Where Can You Get A Good Regressionist These Days? Message-ID: <140066.2AB41976@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 13 Sep 92 20:01:02 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - Does anyone know how one might go about trying to track down a good > hypnotic > regressionist in one's area? I have a friend that recently experienced > a > classic case of missing time, and we'd like to investigate it. I am in > the > Cleveland area. > > If no one specializes in abduction regressions here, how would one go > about > looking for a "standard" hypnotist who might be able to do the job? > What kind > of credentials should a reputable hypnotist have? > > Any suggestions are much appreciated. Talk to Dale Wedge who is on the Cleveland Freenet. Dale is a long-time investigator whom I am sure could put you on the right track. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!ub!csn!scicom!paranet!p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Computers In Ufo Message-ID: <140065.2AB41975@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 13 Sep 92 19:56:01 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - Why would you assume it would be very advanced?? > We humans create computers to make up for the short-comings of our own > brains (ie. we don't do math very well in our heads), a race that builds > UFOs like we have seen so far may not require computers at all. This > also > may explain why the greys consider us fitting for use as laboratory > rats. > They may not see us as inteligent life at all. Little more than insects > scurrying to and fro on our mindless tasks. You don't give yourself any credit for being even slightly important. Nor, do you allow for the possibility of anything other than extraterrestrials as the answer to the UFO problem. Consider the possibility that the abduction scenario might not be what the abductees perceive it to be at all. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!dcs.ed.ac.uk!racw From: racw@dcs.ed.ac.uk (rod williams) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: The aliens have landed Message-ID: <43928@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Date: 14 Sep 92 11:38:51 GMT References: <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Sender: nnews@dcs.ed.ac.uk Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (rod williams) Lines: 55 In article %i, clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudia Calvello) writes: > > [ stuf about alein visit removed ] when was this? i ask as i saw something REALLY wierd last thrusday night. it was about nine oclock and i was on the bus home. i was stting there minding my own bussiness when something pulled my eye out the window. the road was very dark with no traffic but over to the left i could see a bright light in the skye. it was roundish, white, very brite and seemed to be folowing the bus. it was quite far away (i saw it pass through some clouds and the hills) but i don't think it was far away to be coz of paradox. most of the lite was quite brite, sora white but with some darker bits like the surface wasn't prefectly smooth. it was about the size of penny (a cent for people in the america) held at armslenhgt. it was wierd. ive seen things like that before around these parts but a long ago weve also got lots of bronz age stuff. :x > Two space aliens have just landed in this campus. They wear blue > spacesuits, with a yellow line where some Earth creatures have > a tie. They wear something which looks like an oxygen mask, but > the bottles they have on their backs contains a dark liquid instead. > I know this, because they seem to be made of some transparent > material, and inside it it is clearly visible a very dark green > liquid. > > Right now they are not in sight anymore, I suspect that > they are hiding behind a tree, but I'll keep watching outside > the window to get more information. > > In the meantime, if anybody has an idea of where they might > come from... > > Oh, before I forget, I haven't seen them landing, I just happened > to look outside and they were there. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ } { {@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@} } | /| | |\ | RoD wIlLiAmS ### ### ### # # { { | / | | | \ | sMaIlLiW dOr # # # # # # # } } | / | | | \ | ## ##3 # # # { { | / | | | \ | "Hed like a hole" - Trent Renzor# # # # # # # # } } |/ | | | \| # # # # ### #### { {@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@} } { \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ -- -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ } { {@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@} Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!walter!phelix!mdl From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) Subject: Re: The aliens have landed Message-ID: <1992Sep14.130934.447@walter.bellcore.com> Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Nntp-Posting-Host: phelix.bellcore.com Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) Organization: Bellcore References: <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <43928@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:09:34 GMT Lines: 17 In article <43928@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, racw@dcs.ed.ac.uk (rod williams) writes: |> In article %i, clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudia Calvello) writes: |> > |> > [ stuf about alein visit removed ] |> |> when was this? i ask as i saw something REALLY wierd last thrusday night. |> |> it was about nine oclock and i was on the bus home. i was stting there |> minding my own bussiness when something pulled my eye out the window. the ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ Wow!! That must have hurt. Those damn aliens. Always pulling something.... Mike Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!csc.ti.com!tilde.csc.ti.com!fstop.csc.ti.com!tidss1!alanj From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones) Subject: VCR alert: Unsolved Mysteries - 16Sep92 Message-ID: <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com> Sender: usenet@csc.ti.com Nntp-Posting-Host: tidss1.dadd.ti.com Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:09:04 GMT Lines: 8 I'm pretty sure I heard on a commercial last night that the season premier of "Unsolved Mysteries" will be on this Wednesday, 16Sep92, and will include some footage of a UFO. Can anyone confirm/refute? --- sincerely, Alan Jones / Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX / email=alanj@dadd.ti.com Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!att-out!pacbell.com!charon.amdahl.com!amdahl!JUTS!duts!dfs30 From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Where can you get a good regressionist these days? Message-ID: Date: 14 Sep 92 14:43:18 GMT References: <18qrs8INNah3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 25 In article <18qrs8INNah3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com writes: > >Does anyone know how one might go about trying to track down a good hypnotic >regressionist in one's area? I have a friend that recently experienced a >classic case of missing time, and we'd like to investigate it. I am in the >Cleveland area. > >David For anyone who is interested in abduction help please call: Bill Knell Director of Island Skywatch (718)591-1854 (New York) He can get you in touch with the right people in your area. He has a lot of videos, tapes and books on UFOs and abductions. He is a very experienced researcher/investigator. -- ========================================================================= >>>>>>>>>>>|| Copyright (c) Denise faith Solis 1992 ||<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>|| dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ||<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11787 alt.alien.visitors:9374 sci.skeptic:30959 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!rpi!batcomputer!cornell!uw-beaver!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!acs.ucalgary.ca!cuugnet!rpjday From: rpjday@cuug.ab.ca (Robert P.J. Day 277-3175) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep13.223134.1348@cuug.ab.ca> Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group References: <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> <65736@cup.portal.com> Distribution: world Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:31:34 GMT Lines: 69 In article <65736@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: >Dear World: I just got back from a unplanned astral dream that I went >to Russian and observed the people and country. They have a wonderful >heritage and I came back with tears in my eyes. Sorry to appear so >sentimental. You don't appear all that sentimental. Just deranged. >It reminds my of one of my 14 past lives that I have >investigated. The life I'm referring to is a life I spent after Jesus >lived in the Holy Lands. I was a teacher of christianity and was one >of the first to be thrown in the arena in Rome. Do tell. Apparently the lions are falling down on the job. >Now back to the real world. Now THERE'S a thought. >Last week a person sent me over 102k bits of information. I >appreciated the info. but I get fined if I get more than 100k of infor- >mation on my E-mail account in a days time. I have been guilty of >sending that amount of info. to one person in one day myself. So >everyone send me anything you like but please limit it to about >30k bits. Perhaps then we could rid ourselves of Mr. Winston and his astral wanking if we all (one, two, THREE!) mailed him /etc/termcap, or something like that. >Cheers. >John Winston Mr. Winston, at the risk of undoubtedly repeating what others have already said, what is the point? Why are you posting this drivel to sci.skeptic? More to the point, what are we supposed to do with it? Rest assured, this is a perfectly serious question, and it has to do with what it means to be a skeptic. From where I sit, being a responsible skeptic involves two things: 1) being willing to listen, with an open mind, to any claims, no matter how fantastic or extraordinary 2) being willing to listen to the evidence produced to support such claims Without 2), there is little any skeptic can do to intelligently discuss 1). In other words, Mr. Winston, simply telling us stories of your astral travel is useless. Are we supposed to comment on it? Are you trying to convince us of its authenticity? Would you prefer we soundly denounced you as a complete helium-head? What's your point? What is the purpose of these posts? Assuming you would like others in this group to take you seriously, I propose the following experiment to test your abilities of astral wank... uh, travel. I live at 5724 Dalmead Cres., NW, in Calgary, Alberta. The next time you're out and about, drop by. Make your way to my office in the basement of the house (there's only one office down there, so there can be no confusion). There are three bookshelves along one of the walls. There is a single object on top of the middle bookcase, with some writing on it. Please tell me what the object is, and what it says. Failing that, please tell me just whatinell the point of all this is. R. Day Member, Alberta Skeptics ... the pit bull of skepticism ... P.S.: Any further responses to Mr. Winston will be restricted to sci.skeptic. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11788 alt.alien.visitors:9375 sci.skeptic:30965 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!das.wang.com!wang!news From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Date: 13 Sep 92 06:44:20 GMT Message-ID: <2560@israel.nysernet.org> Followup-To: talk.religion.newage References: <65410@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 11 In arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes: >Hypothesis: It is possible for John Winston to send his picture to me using astral travel, or whatever he calls it. Get him to astrally send you a picture of the Ostrich spaceship while he's at it, OK? -- /|/-\/-\ I'll leave you with this saying: |__/__/_/ SHHHH!! I hear SIX TATTOOED TRUCK-DRIVERS tossing ENGINE |warren@ BLOCKS into empty OIL DRUMS.. / nysernet.org Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!amdahl!JUTS!duts!dfs30 From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO Video? Message-ID: Date: 14 Sep 92 14:50:41 GMT References: <1992Sep10.232613.10580@intelhf.hf.intel.com> <1992Sep11.215636.18160@news.unomaha.edu> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 19 In article <1992Sep11.215636.18160@news.unomaha.edu> jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III) writes: >thekid@intelhf.hf.intel.com writes: >Brian, > The video of the UFO in question was taken near Anza, California last > year.........................on Anybody know where "Anza" is in California? I'm in the bay area and my UFO group would like to go check it out. Denise -- ========================================================================= >>>>>>>>>>>|| Copyright (c) Denise faith Solis 1992 ||<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>|| dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ||<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11789 alt.alien.visitors:9377 sci.skeptic:30968 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65838@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 08:14:54 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Lines: 0 Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11790 alt.alien.visitors:9378 sci.skeptic:30969 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65839@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 08:16:27 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Lines: 39 Subject: Singles Bar. If you had gone to Peoria, PA, USA, in Dec. 4, 1990 you would have seen a phenomena happening that may be still going on today. A lady by the name of Connie Cook plays the electric piano in a very out of this world way. It seems that she had a sighting of a UFO back in l981. She says that she saw an unidentified flying object whose passengers later entered her conciousness and inspired her music. The music sounds sort of like a dreamy type of jazz and soft rock fusion with lyrics-translated from the language of the pleiades star cluster where the aliens claim to come from. The words of one of the songs sound like this; "By and by we learn to fly Within each other's heart. Space and time the ancient rhyme Is overcome in our hearts." Ms. Cook has had her pianos (she has more than one) tuned to produce notes that sound vaguely Far Eastern or even from beyond. Ms. Cook says her first close encounter came late one night in Nov. 1981, when a gleaming, globe-shaped craft hovered slilently outside her bedroom window for about 90 minutes. Mesmerized, she returned to bed when it left. Soon after, she dreamed of seeing four shiny people with indistinct features sort of in the sky. She later dreamed the four beings were at her bedside, stroking her hands and predicting a time of good will for the earth's peoples. They explained they were appearing in human form so as not to frighten her. A month later, inspired telepathically, sometimes in dreams, she began compulsively composing music. Before that I couldn't play Chopsticks, and I still can't but sometimes music just flows out of me, and I write it down. Other than this space music thing, Connie Cook is Ms. Middle America; a 42-year old divorced housewife raising a sixthgrader,pretty and plump. Her father was a postman. In school she banged a snare drum in the band. After eight piano lessons from a teacher who rapped her knuckles for frequent mistakes, she quit music until her strange inspiration in 1981. Ms. Cook sings some of her alien songs to children in Sunday school at Unity Church of Peoria according to Rev Eddie Edwards, "Connie is a sincere and stable person who has had some kind of an experience". So if you want to hear some music from outter space go to O'Leary's Singles Bar and order a drink (a Shirley Temple of course). Source of material: The Wall Street Journal. Tuesday, Sept.4, 1990. Page 1. John Winston Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!tellab5!jcj From: jcj@tellabs.com (JCJ) Subject: Re: Abusive, don't listen, "scientists" Message-ID: <1992Sep14.135726.19870@tellab5.tellabs.com> Sender: news@tellab5.tellabs.com (News) Nntp-Posting-Host: sunl18 Organization: Huh? References: <15046@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:57:26 GMT Lines: 14 >>Look, dude, I've seen dozens of photos of meteors. I have yet to see one with >>a >>curved path. How many have you seen? None with a curved pathand I've been looking at the sky professionally and non-professionally for 27 years. Perhaps bolides? What were the estimated magnitudes? >> Ithlial the Archer writes: >> >> (I wonder if the fact that I am an astronomer qualifies me to speak on this >> topic? Your credentials, sir? Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11791 alt.alien.visitors:9380 sci.skeptic:30973 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65841@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 09:07:02 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <65633@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep13.164902.25689@rosevax.rosemount.com> Lines: 16 Good Morning Earthlings: It seems like this old world is trying to tell us something. Storms, fires and floods. You'd better not mess around with Mother Nature. She can play pretty rough. Now to answer a few question. I noted Grant's comments and will keep them in mind. It seems we have a problem with one of our Astral Train members in Hawaii. Communications are down due to the storm and D. is worried about E. who lives in Hawaii. Does anyone know went communications will be restored? In regards to someone trying to communicate with me by telepathy and me showing up to them astrally, this gets a little scary because I'm going to appear as a ghost. If you haven't seen a ghost and especially if you don't believe in ghost in the first and last place, this can scare you out of your wits. A person should just be in a passive mood (put your mind in neutral) and I'll come through and give a message and two pictures. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!lynx!apsicc.aps.edu!jim From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory? Message-ID: <14SEP199210532326@apsicc.aps.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:53:00 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center References: <7269.716314244@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 47 In article <7269.716314244@bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) writes... >I saw that sightings show last night on television and found it rather >interesting. One things I thought about (long after the show was over) >was how could these aliens exist. Being somewhat of a pagan, I believe >in the theory of evolution. > >My point is, if the world began development at the same instant (the Big >Bang as scientists are still trying to prove), how can one species be >so much more developed than another? If a UFO can be sighted, not visible >by radar, and literally DEFY all of the laws of physics here on Earth, >were the evolution conditions so terrible that evolved into some other >species of LESSER intellect? Mr. Linder, Actually all worlds didn't begin their development at the same instant following the Big Bang. After the initial event their was a period of time when things were just too hot for matter to exist and what we now call 'normal' space didn't exist. After much time the first elements to come into being as the Universe cooled were the light elements which composed the early stars. As stars of different sizes and temperatures would burn their fuel at different rates they would also die at different times. Still, however, no planets yet existed. Some of these stars would, upon their deaths, go nova and it is in these conditions of a stellar nova that the heavy elements which compose the planets and ourselves were created and thrown out into space. It would take a disruption in the gas field in space for these clouds of material to start to come together to form other stars and their accompaning planets. On some of these the conditions for some form of life to develop would be right and the process of evolution would begin. This is why the potential for the existance of life at varying degrees of development and/or progress occurs. This process of stellar evolution is still going on today. As Carl Sagan says, " we are made of starstuff". I hope this helps. > > Paragraph deleted. > >So, UFO's speak for themselves. UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT. Whether >it is from outer space, the fourth dimension, or a tennis ball flying >through the sky this question will never be answered NOR proven to >me until one lands in my front yard, knocks on my door, and takes me >for a ride..... >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Darrow Linder jlinder@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu University of California Irvine >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ====================================================================== We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty... Twain Internet: jim@apsicc.aps.edu Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager ====================================================================== Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!convex!sunova!ireland!rocko From: rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary) Subject: Re: Winston/Stollman. Acid or Lithium? Message-ID: <1992Sep14.175111.28197@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: rocko@ireland (Rick O'leary) Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.3.8.49 Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory References: <13733.2aaeaa32@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> <65641@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep11.122852.8119@sunova.ssc.gov> <1992Sep12.003302.6721@resumix.portal.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:51:11 GMT Lines: 47 In article <1992Sep12.003302.6721@resumix.portal.com>, stevans@resumix.portal.com (Mark Stevans) writes: |> In article <1992Sep11.122852.8119@sunova.ssc.gov> rocko@ireland.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick O'leary) writes: |> >In article <65641@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: |> >|> Dear Garrett: I read you post and am willing to let you know whatever |> >|> you would like to know. |> >|> John Winston. |> > |> >Please Garrett, |> >Don't play the governments game. He is an agent/grey/nut. |> >Please don't ask him anything. Your read enough of his |> >crap from others questions. |> > |> >love and kisses |> > |> > Rocko |> |> Ladies and gentlemen, please. The name of this newsgroup does not begin with |> "alt" for nothing. This is a publicly available alternative discussion forum. |> |> Yes, it is a source of 1) information, 2) disinformation, and last but not |> least, 3) misinformation, but I for one don't need or want anyone classifying |> anything into one of those three categories for me. I want to try to do it for |> myself -- else I wouldn't subscribe. |> |> John and Gary, I am withholding all of my questions until I am ready to ask |> them intelligently. Please continue your articles, knowing that there is an |> attentive audience, though some of us may choose to remain relatively silent |> for now. Peace to all. |> |> MLS Don't wait. Don't waste our time by forming "intelligent" questions. John_&_Gary Winstollman will de-catagorize anything "intelligent" in no time. They are paid to be brain-dead nuts (sorry guy, you know your both Uncle Sam's DISSINFO. dudes). So go for it MLS. Post and learn. It doesn't matter what the subject. These Government Pigs will distort the truth or any shread of it. People read their crap and un-subscribe. Ask, Quest, Think... But Don't Un-sub When they act like nuts. They're just doing their job. love and kisses ROCKO P.S. "band-width wasting sig not cool now that olympics over." Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!engage.pko.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!acetek.enet.dec.com!timpson From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () Subject: Re: Tass bug Message-ID: <1992Sep14.140017.5856@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> Keywords: tass,bugs Lines: 31 Sender: usenet@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com (USENET News System) Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <6#wnrzp.rkrouse@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:00:17 GMT In article <6#wnrzp.rkrouse@netcom.com>, rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse) writes: |> When reading alt.alien.visitors "tass" dumps core. Why? |>How can it be fixed? |> |>-- |>========================================================================== |> Robert K. Rouse rkrouse@netcom.com |>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- |> "VOTE! - use it or lose it" |>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- |> I think the person to ask about this is Gary Stollman. Steve Food_for_the_Grays -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | | | My atheism, like that of Spinoza, is true piety towards the | | universe and denies only gods fashioned by men in their own | | image to be servants of their human interests. | | | | -- George Santayana | | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11796 alt.alien.visitors:9384 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!luotsi.uku.fi!messi.uku.fi!jhakumak From: jhakumak@messi.uku.fi (Juhana Hakum{ki) Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Sender: news@luotsi.uku.fi Message-ID: Date: 14 Sep 92 18:27:56 GMT References: <64264@cup.portal.com> <65650@cup.portal.com> Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland Lines: 16 John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: > Some of the most far out statement by R. was that it may be just a rumor or >it may be a fact that there are tunnels big enough to navigate submarine in >that start out near the Channel Islands. One of them is said to go all the >way to Arizona. Now I'll admit I don't know how that could be possible >(maybe part of the tunnel is above the water line). Far out statement? Naah... Actually, the tunnel goes ALL THE WAY to Bangor, Maine! The catch is that it is invisible and practically all the way above ground. It is also said to be big enough to navigate any man-made vessel so far. Credible, huh? -- Juhana Hakum{ki, Department of Physiology, University of Kuopio, Finland. E-mail: jhakumak@messi.uku.fi * Disclaimer: Opinions, if any, are mine. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hp-vcd!kevinc From: kevinc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE () Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory? Message-ID: Sender: news@vcd.hp.com (News user) Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 References: <7269.716314244@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:14:09 GMT Lines: 32 : My point is, if the world began development at the same instant (the Big : Bang as scientists are still trying to prove), how can one species be : so much more developed than another? If a UFO can be sighted, not visible : by radar, and literally DEFY all of the laws of physics here on Earth, : were the evolution conditions so terrible that evolved into some other : species of LESSER intellect? : i-------------------------- I have wondered about this myself. My basic thoughts tend to follow kind of a simplistic few I'm sure. But the way I see it, starting at the point of origin of the so-called "Big Bang" you would tend to have more occurrences of life than at the edge of the expanding universe. Unfortunately there is an enourmous amount of controvery as to the "Center" or "point of origin" of this Big Bang. Also, given the average life of a star, invariably you would assume the migration of civilizations to other planets of similar habitat. Evolution is still at best just a theory, so my assumtions become more complicated if I choose to throw that into the equation as well. So I don't. Regarding the laws of physics: So far, the laws of physics are still regarded as constant through-out the universe (doesn't mean that this is definate, but nobody has observed a "difference" as far as I am currently aware. Maybe someone else knows more about this ). Anyway, good topic for disscussion. Anyone have good proven scientific formulations to help form opinions ? Kc Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!news.Brown.EDU!eddy!xzh From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: VCR alert: Unsolved Mysteries - 16Sep92 Date: 14 Sep 1992 19:32:25 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 10 Sender: xzh@eddy (Xiang Zhou) Distribution: world Message-ID: <192pc9INN8mj@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu In article <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com>, alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones) writes: |> I'm pretty sure I heard on a commercial last night that the season premier |> of "Unsolved Mysteries" will be on this Wednesday, 16Sep92, and will include |> some footage of a UFO. Can anyone confirm/refute? |> |> --- |> sincerely, |> Alan Jones / Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX / email=alanj@dadd.ti.com |> This was what I heard too ! Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11803 alt.alien.visitors:9387 sci.skeptic:30998 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:12:41 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <26rnvhb@lynx.unm.edu> <1992Sep9.170823.13966@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Lines: 69 In article cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes: >In article <1992Sep9.170823.13966@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: >> >>First of all, CHILL OUT, will ya? > >Ok, I did get a little out of hand there, sorry. >> >>And third, this has nothing at all to do with physics. Obviously gravity and >>drag will pull a meteor towards the Earth some, and in many cases they'll >>be drawn right into the Earth - so what? The point is that meteor paths look >>straight from the ground. John Winston said they don't. He was wrong. >>Wanna see some meteor photos that prove it? Go ahead, show me a photo of a >>curved meteor path. Bet you have trouble finding one. >>-Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com > >I have seen meteors follow curved paths in the sky, I have not been so >fortunate as to photograph it. It's probably impossible to do since >in my experience the meteor has to be visible for relatively long time, >and therefore a long path, requiring a very wide angle lense, wider >than most available I would suspect. > > >Ithlial > >My opinions, mine, mine, mine! > >To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, >and the dancers hit eachother. > > > My new hobby is astronomy, since it gets me out into the night air, in low- light polluted skys. I saw several meteors last week in AZ when I was out camping with my C8. Yes, they can curve slightly. my best friend has a brother who is an astrophysicist at the big array in NM (you know, the one on 2010) and he agrees with my friend that they do curve, although not ALWAYS perceptably by the unaided eye. In fact, by coincidence, we were just speaking of it last night (unrealted to any posts here; I just read them!) and he was saying a couple of things I will repeat here: 1) That most people live in cities, and as such, have very limited awareness of the stars, astronomical issues, and never see unpolluted skys. 2) That it took watching persaides in order for him to grasp that the earth both rotates and orbits the sun, because of the multipule curvature that a meteor CAN demonstrate when it hits our atmousphere. 3) Since most people live in cities, don't look at the sky at night, have very limited knowledge of constelations, etc. they would be prone to a) not seeing anonmylous lights in the sky, even if they were there regularly. b) would not know what they were looking at, even if they did happen to see something, such that many UFO's are Venus, bright twinkling starts coming up over the horizon, and bright stars/planets/comets that due to auto-kinesis, appear to dance about, but are actually stationary, with or without intermitent light transmitions (stars and pulsars, etc.) Of course the above does not mean that people can't be contacted/abducted or see saucers up close, but much that people believe to be UFO's are certainly astronomical objects well understood. Jeff- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: Re: Kissinger spills the beans? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:42:19 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <10241@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> Lines: 63 In article <10241@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> rhys@cs.uq.oz.au writes: >In mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe) writes: > >> There was some guy on the radio this morning (100.3 FM, NYC) who >> said Henry Kissinger stated that President Bush would be revealing >> a massive UFO coverup this October. The guy on the radio said >> that Bush will do this because our current >> government has been involved in some very, very, secret >> dealings with some sort of Alien race, and that now is definately >> not the time to change presidents. I think the guy on the >> radio said that Henry Kissinger made the statement in front >> of some European Government Committe. This very thesis was the subject of Michael Lindemann's UFO's and the Alien Presence Symposium at Berkley last May. In his final words "The Bug Picture" all that had preceded in the conference was leading up to a few main ideas: 1) As far as the New World Order is concered, the "only good alien is a bad alien." Inother words, UFO coverup and alien/US agreements (as well as ET visitation, good/bad/indifferent) will be portrayed in a light of emergency in order to siezed power and control the masses, possibly as a re-election ploy. 2) That the US is highly involved in creating the future by selectivley planting in the masses mind the "definition of reality" so that they do not come to realized that reality is individule, unique, and a mater of conciousness. By controling the masses perception of reality, you can create the future, and you can rule the world. So, it may not happen right now, but it is VERY possible it will. And it is almost certain that it well be annouced sometime this decade... Jeff- > >Well, sitting here Down Under, I find the idea of Bush announcing a massive >UFO coverup very intriguing. Just consider, Bush admits that a coverup has >been occuring in the past and continuing while he was in power, and then says >"I'm a nice, honest guy, re-elect me". Frankly, I don't expect any such >announcement until after the election, if at all. Bush is not stupid enough >to cut his own throat in that fashion. > >Bush would have to convince the American people that he had nothing to do >with it and is just exposing secret military factions and the like, blah, >blah, blah. But I can't see enough people swallowing that to make a difference >to the election outcome. > >I'll be the happiest person on the planet if it does happen (announcement of >aliens, etc), but I can't see it happening. Given the current political >climate, it would more likely be a blow-up of the Middle East or Eastern >Europe that causes Bush to put on his "tough hat" again and argue that >changing Presidents is not a good idea, rather than aliens. I could be wrong. > >Cheers, > >Rhys. >-- >Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia. >rhys@cs.uq.oz.au "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65869@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:44:37 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <61006@cup.portal.com> Lines: 52 Subject: Ruins of a 30,000 Year Old City. Part 7. While we were there at the picnic area this lady led four of us in a chant that was used by the Essenese in Africa about 4,000 years ago. Next a lady who was a teacher of a new way of grounding directed us in a circle and we contacted the Acturians. She explained they were people not in the physical form. We then contacted the bird people. I then thought of a person called Hawk who was a human but he had feathers( in a TV series). I then commented of him being on a science fiction space show (his story) and that his people were killed. The bird people then talked about the fact that there is no death just a passing from one dimension to another. The lady was also starting a university for women. We'll call this lady number 2. Now lady number 3 was a person who taught people how to fire walk. After people would go through her course of study many of them were able to walk on burning coals. She had been written up in a couple of newspapers (and I didn't ask which ones) during the last month. All this tour happened during the month of August in 1992. While we were sitting around these picnic tables R. told us about some real wierd people that came on one of his tours. It seems that four men about 4 and one half feet tall contacted him and came on one of his tours. They had almond or grey colored eyes that slanted out towards their temples. It was very strange because they seemed to ask questions that any normal earth person woulld be expected to know. They had large eyes but had glasses on that made their eyes look smaller. When they drove their car it seemed that they could never remember to take off the emergency brake and R. had to remind them of this more than two times. They had a front tire that was worn out so bad that the bead was showing through and when this was pointed out to the only person in the group that did any talking he mentioned to his companions that we will have to put on the spare sometime. R. thought that they might be some Ritticulians who had died near the earth and had been born to regular earth people. One of the four men didn't do any talking but he did a whole lot of shaking. He physically shook like he had the Jakeleg or something even worse. Up until we got to the picnic tables the lady who was the psychic on the radio had nearly been konking out. She nearly fainted at one time and was going to lay down on the side of the trail but I told her to not lay down becouse there was poison ivy where she was going to rest. I then suggested to her that she put her hand on my back-pack and I would pull her along. She did this and it was like holding on to the back of a bear going up a mountain. After resting at the picnic tables I started out again and forgot about her. They past the news up to me that she had turned back and would wait on us till we returned. She waited for a while then took off back to the cars without us. Two more young ladies turned back later and met this lady back at the cars. By this time after they got back to Malibu this psychic lady was as mad as a wet hen, because she was under the impression that the hike would be a piece of cake. Of these two young ladies that came back with her, one of them was a reporter for a local beach type newspaper. R. said a few weeks later that she reported about the tour in the paper and didn't have too good of a report of it but seemed to mention me in the article in a very favorable way. End Part 7. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11805 alt.alien.visitors:9390 sci.skeptic:31006 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!convex!linac!att!bu.edu!news.bbn.com!ingria From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: Date: 15 Sep 92 00:31:16 GMT References: <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com><65284@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> <65410@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> <65736@cup.portal.com> Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com In-reply-to: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com's message of Sat, 12 Sep 92 06:38:39 PDT In article <65736@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: It reminds my of one of my 14 past lives that I have investigated. The life I'm referring to is a life I spent after Jesus lived in the Holy Lands. I was a teacher of christianity and was one of the first to be thrown in the arena in Rome. Which arena? And when (e.g. who was the emperor)? -30- Bob Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!cs.mu.OZ.AU!munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU!curmi From: curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI) Subject: Grey jokes Message-ID: <9225910.21411@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Summary: Grey Jokes Keywords: greys, jokes, broccoli Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:42:34 GMT Lines: 14 Q. What is the difference between Greys and Broccoli? A. Greys taste better. (Don't blame me...a friend told me it on the weekend) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jamie P. Curmi (curmi@cs.mu.oz.au, curmi@maths.mu.oz.au) Department of Computer Science, Department of Mathematics The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Mutate NOW - avoid the rush! *** Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!wupost!psuvax1!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Kissinger spills the beans? Message-ID: Date: 15 Sep 92 02:04:19 GMT References: <10241@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 51 1) As far as the New World Order is concered, the "only good alien is a bad alien." Inother words, UFO coverup and alien/US agreements (as well as ET visitation, good/bad/indifferent) will be portrayed in a light of emergency in order to siezed power and control the masses, possibly as a re-election ploy. ... there are some difficulties with this thesis: * A political ploy like this is just as likely to not work as to work. That is, it may well backfire, especially since such a stratigem involves revealing that the government had been lying all this time about such things. Talk about anti-Washington sentiment! * It is easy to presume that "emergencies favor the incumbent", but this ignores events in other US crises - notably the US Civil War -- Lincoln was only saved by the fortuitous collapse of Southern resistance at Atlanta, or surely McClellan would have beat him. (The 1968 election was another; LBJ was forced to give up the election -- and if you think the people demonstrating were more than a tiny minority of voters, you're wrong.) * It presumes that other presidents under fire (notably Carter, who was the last incumbent to be in serious danger of losing) would NOT have "played the alien card", an assertion that is on shaky at best. (I know this flies in the face of the "Democrat" == "good guy", but so be it.) Of course, depending on whose 'history' you go by, the best candidate of all for this sort of thing was Richard Nixon -- he, of all, had the most pressing need for a handy 'emergency'. 2) That the US is highly involved in creating the future by selectivley planting in the masses mind the "definition of reality" so that they do not come to realized that reality is individule, unique, and a mater of conciousness. By controling the masses perception of reality, you can create the future, and you can rule the world. ... the word, of course, is "advertising". Politically-motivated advertising (sometimes called "propoganda", sometimes called "realism", sometimes called "truth") is not exactly a new thing. Every political entity past and present has tried to alter its constituents' view of reality in some way. (For instance, after the US Civil War, Southern Democrats had their view of reality -- particularly concerning the enfranchisement of blacks -- radically altered.) In some sense every act of communication alters the recipients' view of reality. Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: VCR alert: Unsolved Mysteries - 16Sep92 Message-ID: Date: 15 Sep 92 02:37:02 GMT References: <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com> <192pc9INN8mj@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 19 In article <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com>, alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones) writes: |> I'm pretty sure I heard on a commercial last night that the season premier |> of "Unsolved Mysteries" will be on this Wednesday, 16Sep92, and will include |> some footage of a UFO. Can anyone confirm/refute? ... according to TV Guide: (listing) 9pm, NBC - "The fifth season begins with a UFO story involving a 1983 incident in the skies over New York and Connecticut. Also: reports on the disappearance of an 18-year-old woman last seen with an acquaintance; the death of an unidentified man at the Paucah, KY airport." (ad) "Did a UFO buzz suburban New York? UFO ACTUAL FOOTAGE! A hoax? NO WAY! These residents know what they've seen!" (capital letters as in the ad -- illustration of a triangular, maybe, UFO -- its pretty indistinct.) Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) Subject: Re: UFO Video? Message-ID: <12817.716530998@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> In-reply-to: Your message of 14 Sep 92 14:50:41 +0000. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 11 Date: 15 Sep 92 04:23:29 GMT >> The video of the UFO in question was taken near Anza, California last >> year.........................on >Anybody know where "Anza" is in California? I'm in the bay area and >my UFO group would like to go check it out. I think so. I've heard of ANZA BORREGO desert. I think it's a small town in/close to this desert. I used to go camping there a lot. Check southern San Diego close to the Mexican Border.... -D Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) Subject: Re: Heavy Boots Message-ID: <13285.716531482@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 30 Jul 92 04:30:07 -0400. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 19 Date: 15 Sep 92 04:31:34 GMT > Regarding the laws of physics: So far, the laws of physics are still > regarded as constant through-out the universe (doesn't mean that this > is definate, but nobody has observed a "difference" as far as I am > currently aware. Maybe someone else knows more about this ). I'm sorry I don't remember the show but I DO remember some of the details. There was a UFO sighting/following in Northern Europe near a US airbase a few years back. An F-16 spotted a UFO and began to follow. The UFO flew at around Mach 1.5, made a literal 90 degree towards the ground and accelerated at Mach 5.0 (the G-Forces alone would kill any human and crush any substance on Earth) straight towards the ground and literally "stopped on a dime". Then F-16 then recording the object going Mach 15+ INSTANTLY from a dead stop producing G-Forces which would be deathly. Whether or not this "defies" the laws of physics, I am not sure. But it DOES sound rather astronomical. -D Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9396 alt.conspiracy:18342 sci.skeptic:31017 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic Subject: FILE: Roswell - Twining/Schulgen Letter Message-ID: <1992Sep15.040343.3970@bilver.uucp> Date: 15 Sep 92 04:03:43 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 140 *** Forwarded from the Alabama (Bama - Odyssey ) UFO Echo *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- (3482) Sun 13 Sep 92 17:52 By: John Powell To: All Re: Roswell/Twining-Schulgen Letter St: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ [What follows is the letter from Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining, commanding the Air Materiel Command, to Brig. Gen. George Schulgen, chief of Air Force Intelligence. The format below matches the original document. This is from: _The Roswell Report: A Historical Perspective_, George M. Eberhart editor, 1991 the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies. ISBN 0-929343-59-X.] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs" 23 September 1947 TO: Commanding General Army Air Forces Washington 25, D. C. ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen AC/AS-2 1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs." This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and preliminary studied by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineer- ng Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3. 2. It is the opinion that: a. The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious. b. There are objects probably approximately the shape of a disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made aircraft. c. There is the possibility that some of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors. d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air- craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely. e. The apparent common description of the objects is as follows: (1) Metallic or light reflecting surface. (2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances when the object apparently was operating under high perfor- mance conditions. (3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and domed on top. (4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying from three to nine objects. (5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instance a substantial rumbling roar was noted. (6) Level flight speeds normally about 300 knots are esti- mated. f. It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge--pro- vided extensive detailed development is undertaken--to construct a piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub- paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of 700 miles at subsonic speeds. g. Any devlopments in this country along the lines indicated would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable ex- pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up in- dependently of existing projects. h. Due consideration must be given the following: - (1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic origin - the product of some high security project not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command. (2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these objects. (3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge. 3. It is recommended that: a. Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a priority, security classification and Code Name for a detailed study of this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations, with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days as the investi- gation develops. A complete interchange of data should be effected. 4. Awaiting a specific directive AMC will continue the investi- gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels. N. F. TWINING Lieutenant General, U. S. A. Commanding. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.10 [NR] * Origin: *** Odyssey UFO Echo *** Cullman, Al 1-205-739-1469 (1:3607/20.0) *** End of File *** Don -- <*> Don Allen <*> 1:363/81.1 - Fidonet #1 - Homebody BBS dona@bilver.uucp - Internet 1:363/29.8 - Fidonet #2 - Gourmet Delight 88:4205/1.1 - MUFON Network 1:3607/20.2 -- Odyssey - Alabama UFO Net NSA grep food: Aviary, Ed Dames, Los Alamos - Majestic - Jason - RIIA - UN Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9397 alt.conspiracy:18343 sci.skeptic:31018 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic Subject: FILE: Roswell - FBI Memo Message-ID: <1992Sep15.040643.4109@bilver.uucp> Date: 15 Sep 92 04:06:43 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 89 *** Forwarded from the Alabama (BAMA - Odyssey ) UFO Echo *** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (3518) Sun 13 Sep 92 17:50 By: John Powell To: All Re: Roswell/FBI Memo St: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ [The following is a teletype message from the Dallas, TX, FBI office to the Cincinati, OH, FBI office regarding the event at Roswell. The "xx" means it was scratched out, "??" means I couldn't read it. The following material is from: _The Roswell Report: A Historical Perspective_, George M. Eberhart editor, 1991 the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies. ISBN 0-929343-59-X.] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- FBI DALLAS 7-8-47 6-17 PM DIRECTOR AND SAC, CINCINNATI URGENT FLYING DISC, INFORMATION CONCERNING. MAJOR CURTAN, HEADQUARTERS EIGHTH AIR FORCE, TELEPHONICALLY ADVISED THIS OFFICE THAT AN OBJECT PURPORTING TO BE A FLYING DISC WAS RE COVERED NEAR ROSWELL, NEW MEXICO, THIS DATE. THE DISC IS HEXAGONAL IN SHAPE AND WAS SUSPENDED FROM A BALLON BY A CABLE, WHICH BALLON WAS APPROXIMATELY TWENTY FEET IN DIAMETER. MAJOR CURTAN FURTHER ADVISED THAT THE OBJECT FOUND RESEMBLES A HIGH ALTITUDE WEATHER BALLOON WITH A RADAR REFLECTOR, BUT THAT TELEPHONIC CONVERSATION BETWEEN THEIR OFFICE AND WRIGHT FIELD HAD NOT xxxxxxxxxx BORNE OUT THIS BELIEF. DISC AND BALLOON BEING TRANSPORTED TO WRIGHT FIELD BY SPECIAL PLANE FOR EXAMIN INFORMATION PROVIDED THIS OFFICE BECAUSE OF NATIONAL INTEREST IN CASE xxxx AND FACT THAT NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY, ASSOCIATED PRESS, A OTHERS ATTEMPTING TO BREAK STORY OF LOCATION OF DISC TODAY. MAJOR CURTAN ADVISED WOULD REQUEST WRIGHT FIELD TO ADVISE CINCINNATI OFFICE RESULTS OF EXAMINATION. NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION BEING CONDUCTED. WYLY END CXXXX ACK IN ORDER WA ?? FBI CI MJW BPI HS S-32 PM O O-22 PM OM FBI WASH DC VH ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.10 [NR] * Origin: *** Odyssey UFO Echo *** Cullman, Al 1-205-739-1469 (1:3607/20.0) *** End of File *** Don -- <*> Don Allen <*> 1:363/81.1 - Fidonet #1 - Homebody BBS dona@bilver.uucp - Internet 1:363/29.8 - Fidonet #2 - Gourmet Delight 88:4205/1.1 - MUFON Network 1:3607/20.2 -- Odyssey - Alabama UFO Net NSA grep food: Aviary, Ed Dames, Los Alamos - Majestic - Jason - RIIA - UN Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9398 alt.conspiracy:18345 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!tous!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Subject: FILE: Star Warriors - Part 1 - LONG! Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:36:31 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep15.033631.3261@bilver.uucp> Lines: 804 This is from the Contact echo, a UFO abduction conference carried on the Fidonet backbone. I'm forwarding it from my Frontdoor folder to the Net for your perusal and amusement. Because this tome is lengthy, it's being posted in 2 parts . Be forewarned, that this posting is pretty *wild* in it's claims and I'm gonna leave it to you to assess it's value. Sharp-eyed readers will find many gems in here . I will say, that it would make a helluva script for a movie :-)) -----** Begin Star Warriors part 1 **---------------(46K)------------------ (4093) Wed 9 Sep 92 0:30 By: Don Allen To: All Re: The Hopi Prophesies St: Local --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 88:4205/1.1 7e159852 @PID: FM 2.02 * Forwarded from "contact" * Originally by Sande Van der Straten * Originally to Cathy Emerson * Originally dated 23 Aug 1992, 19:29 CE>DR> SB> Have you did any research on the Hopi Indians prophecies? CE> CE>Sandy, I, too, would be interested in learning anything I can about th CE>above mentioned prophecies. I have read of some NA prophecies in the CE>accompianing material for the Sacred Path Cards - ie. the time of the CE>white buffalo, etc. But, nothing real specific. CE> CE>As I have heard from one or two source's that there could be a CE>connection to my lil ant guy and the Hopi "stuff" anything you can tel CE>me would be of utmost value to me! This may or may not be of help to you, but a while ago a Hopi Indian Robert Morningsky visited Aussie. He gave out some papers ...well sold! some papers re Hopi Indians, and our little grey friends. Also there is a book called American Indian Magic by Brad Steiger that has some interesting pieces in it. If you are interested in the Rob M/sky papers, I will put them on the board if sysop gives the o.k.or send you a copy. I too am very interested in the Hopi Indians, as people and as to their beliefs that they came from the stars - correct me if I am wrong, but from Sirius I believe. NB One Hopi prophecy is that they have a special instrument that is supposed to start 'singing' when the end of the world as we know it starts, it started to 'sing' in late 1970s!!?? Regards Sande Peace and Happiness. ___ X WinQwk 2.0 a#0 X Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- * Origin: ** So many Pleiadian women..so little time :-) ** (88:4205/1.1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (4088) Wed 9 Sep 92 0:26 By: Don Allen To: All Re: The Hopi Prophesies St: Local --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 88:4205/1.1 7e15984d @PID: FM 2.02 * Forwarded from "contact" * Originally by Sande Van der Straten * Originally to Sandy Barbre * Originally dated 2 Sep 1992, 16:03 Robert Morningsky papers re Hopi Indians, and our little grey friends. SB>I'd LOVE to have you put them up on the board, or in the SB>echo.. Hi Sandy, Thanks for your interest. Sorry I have taken so long, but there was quite a bit to type in, then we had a computer error, but anyway, here they are in all their glory. For anyone else who reads these papers, they are not my opinion, they are the opinion of Robert Morningsky a Hopi/Apache dancer who came to Australia for the Warana Festival, Brisbane, Queensland. He is a born activist for his people and other natural inhabitants in their native lands. Some of the things he said impressed me, others left me cold. I cannot offer a complete character analyses as I do not know him personally. ___ X WinQwk 2.0 a#0 X Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- --- * Origin: ** So many Pleiadian women..so little time :-) ** (88:4205/1.1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (4087) Wed 9 Sep 92 0:21 By: Don Allen To: All Re: Robert Morningsky St: Local --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 88:4205/1.1 7e15984c @PID: FM 2.02 * Forwarded from "contact" * Originally by Sande Van der Straten * Originally to Sandy Barbre * Originally dated 2 Sep 1992, 17:16 These are the notes that I took at the meeting held February 8th, 1992 at Maleny, Queensland. This is my version of my notes of the meeting with Robert Morningsky a full blooded Apache/Hopi Indian. Who was raised by his two grandparents after his father was killed and his mother left the reservation. From the age of 1-5 years, he had no contact with the white man at all. He was taught by his grandfathers and with a group of other young people by a group of people they called the Star Warriors - aliens he code-names Blues. These people taught him to run 6 miles with a full mouth of water and not choke or spill a drop, then they would return and have to spit the water out at the feet of the Warriors. They had to stand with their backs to their elders who would shoot an arrow and they, the students, would have to turn and catch it midflight. He said they didn't realise - the students - that they weren't supposed to be able to do these things. The policy of the Star Warrior is that knowledge is not given, it is earned. The way to learn is to be led to discovery. There is an old Hopi prophecy (today's red man is white tomorrows white man is green). The first alien contact started about 1947 - 1948 and they had either already, or were going to spend 50 years with the elders of the Hopi Indian reservation. A description of the Star Warriors is of clear, translucent skin, large almond shaped eyes and small of stature. The main issue of their teaching was PURSUE YOUR PASSION, follow your own way, do your own thing, don't be pressured into being anything but what and who you are. A medicine man is not necessarily a healer, they are people who do their own thing with a passion. ie one that will make you practice your practice your own medicine, two, feel better - medicine people make both things one and the same. A warrior is a living example of passion. What is passion, it is an inner feeling, a love activity. It is that which makes time flow quickly, that one will move heaven and earth to do, that one will make time for. Passion is the unity of union of love between man and woman, which has more power and energy than anything one earth and if harnessed can be unbeatable. Harmony occurs when ones own heart beat moves in time with another, ie the drum music of the dance, the heartbeat of chosen one, the heartbeat of a nation, the heartbeat of the universe and the earth. Think about your passion, if it makes you feel good, and shivery, it is your passion. It is your passion that makes all things possible. (for women only, men can't hack this bit, especially Aussies!!!) The Hopi tradition is that it is man's job to make all things possible for the womenfolk. They must attract, but the women must chose. The reason for long hair is enhancement of beauty and the "Indian love handle" - he mentioned that the caveman used to pull their women around by their hair, he says it was wrong, the Indian women catch their men by their hair! - Men must see the world through the eyes of women. 1. Passion - The fire, the individuality, the you. It is internal, we are told to be what you are supposed to be, don't be anything else. We have a life force and energy that if harnessed could cause more damage than an atomic explosion. But we need to practice harmony and frequency. We find our own frequency and can raise it to match another and harmonise, match it don't contend with it or anything else, or you will be destroyed. The first sensation we receive, is our mother's heartbeat. We all need to be one harmonious heartbeat. 2. Body - your job is to master your own body, if you don't master your body, nothing will work for you. 3. Spiritual - anything else is spiritual, the trees, air, water etc. To attain oneself, you have to move outwards, not grow inwards or else you will become like the black stars and implode. Shape shifting - is possible by becoming that shape - my feeling is that in making self believe so much that a super imposed image forms in your mind and the mind of those around you - by increasing your own frequency you can become anything ie a microwave than excite water, so that it changes and becomes hot. When our energy rise, so does our body temperature. We have the ability to raise our own and other peoples frequencies. In 1943 the government conducted a series of experiments called the Philadelphia experiment, to teleport articles. It partly succeeded and partly went wrong. On January 8/9th, there was a terrific light storm that was not so much a storm as an immense light show. (During this storm I, Sande, was sitting of the front porch, connected to the storm, Robert, my guide, very clearly spoke to me and told me not to feed the storm). Robert Morningsky video-taped the storm and on part of the film, the form of a ship appeared. December 19/20. Nexus magazine reported that a ship from the Philadelphia Experiment materialised into one of the bays in Australian Waters and then disappeared. picture (Courier Mail, 31/12/91), If you are not in tune with your passion you cannot create your own reality. Your passion is your responsibility. Who cares what others feel and think. Your answers and salvation are within. 1930-1940 World War II - 1. Madman Hitler tried to create the perfect man, and conducted bio-genetic experiments 2. Work on flying saucers research, development what is known as Foo Fighters - (14.2.1944). 3. The US developed an atomic weapon and tested it in Northern New Mexico. 4. Others tried to develop Time Travel. Out in the universe alien nations viewed us and were dismayed. Can you imagine the SS Eldridge going through into another dimension. Whilst testing a new protection device called radar uncontrollable bursts of energy, several flying saucers were forcibly landed. The area of landing was the Arizona area. The Amerindians respected the aliens found. 1948 - Several discs crashed, so a military force called blue force was formed, to remove all evidence of UFOs. A live alien was captured and he was called EBE, Extraterrestrial Biological Entity. It was found that he was not able to eliminate waste through the normal way, it was eliminate through the pores of his skin. He took sick, and a famous botanist Jaro Menoza was called in, but in 1952, EBE died. A project called Sigma was instigated to call EBEs brothers to come and find him but to no avail. NB - (ET go home!!!!!) The satellite dishes were placed on Indian lands, and the workers, believing that the indian race was non consequential, so gave them quite a bit of information, believing that they would not understand it. 1947 - In the locker of one of the landed UFOs were found human parts. 1953 - December, contact was made with Aliens. Astronomers found a bunch of space ships going around the earth. Contact was made outside one of the Indian reservations. 1954 - Eisenhower met with the greys and was offered certain secrets in return for the use of people for research and experimentation. They informed the president that they were a dying race and needed help to get their bodies stronger and healthier. An agency MJ-12 was brought into effect, to monitor this programme of experiments and implantations. Negotiations were completed and treaty was signed in California. In Florida another body of Aliens arrived, called by Robert Morningsky, as the Blues. They offered other advice, not to deal with the greys, it would only lead to disaster, but to follow your own path. They would teach with peace and harmony if men would disarm and listen. The military said no deal! So they left, but a few decided to remain and stayed in Northern Mexico and Arizona and made a treaty with the Hopi Indians. These Aliens are known by the Hopi as Star Warriors. The greys left an ambassador called Krill and adopted an equilateral triangle as their insignia. The military force name as the Blue Force became the Delta Force and was formed to study the greys. Two bases were built and called several names, the Earth base - Hanger 18, Dreamland or area 51. The greys went underground under the reservations in the four corner area of Mexico, Utah, Arizona and California. It was for the purpose of monitoring the Blues. The Blues had to flee the reservation and go into hiding, a few of the Elders went with them. The Hopi legend is that there were two races, the children of the feather who came from the skies, and the children of the reptile who came from under the earth. The children of the reptile chased the Hopi Indians out of the earth, these evil under-grounders were also called two hearts. The government has signed a treaty with the children of the serpent. The Hopi have signed a treaty with the children of the feather. The greys want a perfect body, for a long time, there have been cattle mutilations. Always missing, were the organs of elimination. The grey's bodies are always cold, and they feed on our energies, our fears, our out of control energies. (Sort of psychic vampires???) When you are fearful and out of control, the greys use and feed on that energy. What we need to do is know that it is o.k. to feel fear, but to flow with it, then control it by redirecting it into a positive event. (NB - Do we not have an underground instalation at Pine Gap that is run by the Americans?????-Sande). Control your passion - life force - you decide what you want, get an attitude! Don't be afraid to say no! The government wants your money for their pet projects and the greys want your lifeforce, your energy. Ask yourself these things. 1. Do the government make laws for themselves or for people. 2. Do they allow us to do our own thing. 3. Are we under their control on government subsidies etc. The greys decided to stay on earth and needed acceptance, so they hired an advertising agency to come up with some good ideas - hence - My favourite Martian, ALF, Star Trek, Star wars, Alien Nation and ET. The new programme the Mutant Ninja Turtles and the Dinosaurs?? Look and be aware of the symbol of the triangle - TriStar Pictures??? Don't rely on the government for your support, help yourself where you can. See the movie JFK. 1959, the Jason Society decided to do something about global warming. 1. Blow a hole in the ozone layer, to let the heat out. 2. Develop underground for the elite societies. 3. Develop other planets into colonies. The last two were adopted, but the first has since be done. Several things have been happening to engender fear and to give more control to the government. 1. Release of dangerous Psychotics and early release of killers and menaces to society. 2. Wars and upheavals. 3. Drug induced societies and drug dependent societies. 4 Mainland China. Katcina Hopi - great spirit fire. Any living thing that is stressed is food for the children of the lizard. Robert saw for the first time pictures of crop circles, and recognised them as Hopi symbols. He professed that if he could see them in their correct order, he would be able to 'read them'. He feels that Mother earth is calling out Help me! Question time: Q Why would governments hide the fact that aliens exist. A If we knew, we would quit doing what the government want us to do. Q Do the greys know they are aliens? A The Greys have interbred - the more they interbreed, the more chance there is that they will lose their memories of who they really are, they become half human and half alien and can be quite mixed up emotionally. They must be 5th and 6th generation greys by now, and who don't know they are greys. (Where do you think we get all our information from - disgruntled greys!!) Q How can we tell the children of the greys. A They make you feel creepy and have reptilian looking eyes and features. Greys have large eyes and have difficulty focusing. They are arrogant. They will be a strong body odour they tend to drain one of energy. They need to wear sunglasses - CIA???? The Blues - Short, big eyes, wouldn't describe too much, because they are preparing for something big. You will feel them, and you will know them!! It is possible that a 6th generation grey could end up marrying a 6th generation blue. Our misuse of our energy can aid a grey to shape shift and thus not be recognised. (At the meeting, I was with another person, and while the intermission was on, we were quietly talking, when the person appeared from nowhere, and introduced himself to me, using my name. (my name had not been mentioned, neither did I know this man. I did not have a name tag on) It was an extremely hot day, and when I shook his hand, it was freezing cold and dry. He shook hands with my partner also. We watched him move back through the hall and disappear into a small of people. We watched the front door, and he did not exit through there. But when we looked for him later, he was nowhere to be found. I have no idea what it all meant, I only know that it was a strange experience. Neither my partner nor I could remember the man's name, although he has said it twice. No one else had contact with the man, or remembered seeing anyone. My partner was a very logical person, not given to fanciful visions etc.) ___ X WinQwk 2.0 a#0 X Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- --- * Origin: ** So many Pleiadian women..so little time :-) ** (88:4205/1.1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (4092) Wed 9 Sep 92 0:34 By: Don Allen To: All Re: Hopi Prophesies 1 St: Local --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 88:4205/1.1 7e159851 @PID: FM 2.02 * Forwarded from "contact" * Originally by Sande Van der Straten * Originally to Sandy Barbre * Originally dated 31 Aug 1992, 19:58 On December 21, 1991, a fragmented video tape would trigger a series of events that would permit these papers to come to life. On the video tape were bits and pieces of information that confirmed what some American Indians have known for some time..that Alien Life Forms exist and walk amongst us. Due to the release of information on that tape, it is now possible to reveal further information that could not be spoken of before this time. An ages old code of silence could slowly and cautiously be unveiled. In the late forties and early fifties, a movement began on the pueblo Indian Reservations of the Southwest. It was the intent of the Elders involved to raise an isolated group of young Warriors in the "Old Ways". The teachings began but would soon receive an unexpected presence...the "Star Warrior". (Please read the chronology included). Hand in hand with the "medicine warrior" ways, the "Star Warrior" ways would become the foundation of education of the young warriors. Hand in hand with the Elders, the Star Brother taught the Secrets of the Universe. Raised in the way of the Katcina, the children knew that the Spirit of things always looks different. The appearance of the Star Brother was not frightening, he only looked a little unlike us..and..he played with us as a child would. Knowledge must be earned. Wisdom must be learned...the "Way of the Warrior" would confirm that which was discovered and would give suggestion for direction, but Passion for knowledge MUST be exhibited..and so, the code was born - "confirm but do NOT originate. Suggest and direct but leave discovery to the seeker of knowledge". These full-blooded Indian boys and girls spent their lives learning through discovery...and one by one they went out into the "outside" world. The author of these papers was one of those youngsters. The material in these papers does not violate the code, it only confirms information which has been uncovered by others. It is hoped, however, that these papers may give researchers an idea or suggestion for a different perspective which may help to uncover further information on the "Grand Overview". The information in these papers should not be accepted in and of themselves. You must seek our confirmation for yourself. The credibility of these papers does not depend on its author, but rather on what you discover from your study and investigation of the material presented. CONFIRM EVERYTHING FOR YOURSELF! THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BE SATISFIED WITH THE TRUTHS PRESENTED. The material is presented in bold, forthright form. If you seek elaboration. "Keys" are available upon request. SECRETS OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN - HOPI LEGEND OF CREATION - The Hopi Indian Legend of Creation tells of three different beginnings. One story says that we have arisen from an underground paradise through an opening called Sipapu. The second story tells of the descendancy from our birthplace near a Blue Star. And the third story relates of a migration from a faraway place across a great body of water. All three are true. What matters is not which came first, but that they are all true. (Focus not on the leaf, rather look at the whole tree). The story of Sipapu reveals that we emerged in a somewhat undeveloped physical state, much like the prehistoric man. Our bodies were still forming and pliable, but our features were a bit brutish. Man, called Koyemsi or Mudhead had two small round lumps for ears, two protruding knobs for eyes and one large lump for a mouth. The head was smooth and round as a ball. As man developed, his physical body and features became more refined until he looks as he does now. THIS IS THE HOPI VERSION OF EVOLUTION - This story of creation says that the underground paradise was wondrous with beautiful clear skies and plentiful food sources. It was because of the existence of those called Two Hearts, the bad ones, that refuge was sought in the upper world by the Hopi, the peaceful ones. The underworld was not destroyed but was only sealed up to prevent the Two Hearts from rising upon to the surface world. (Suggested research Hollow Earth Theorists may want to look at this legend more closely. At least one government agency is said to continue monitoring the Hopi Indian, to see when and if a return into the ground begins). (Key 1) The second story of creation tells of the descent of the Hopi from the Blue Star of a constellation called the Seven Sisters. One version tells of our travel to earth on the back of Enki, the eagle. Grandfather, the Great Spirit allowed the first man to select his home from the many stars of the universe. Enki told first man of his home earth, and brought him to visit. First man's exploration of the earth convinced him that this was where he wanted his children to be born and to grow. First Man returned to the heavens to tell Grandfather of his decision. Grandfather was pleased and granted to first man the right to call earth his home. First man soon returned to the green place or Sakwap with his family shortly afterwards. (Many of the hero stories throughout time and through many different cultures refer to a valiant group of seven.). Warriors descended from the stars often use the sign of the Seven Sisters on their shields and medallions). (Key 2) The story of the migration from a great land across the big waters speaks of the departure from a paradise far away. This story parallels many other creation legends, but differs only in that no disaster or chaos seems to have caused the journey. The purpose of the journey was to begin a new home and a new life. Some interpretations have the Hopi leaving their home in order to spread the Teachings of the Old Ones. (Suggested research - The Symbol of the Migrations). (Key 3) SORCERER VS MEDICINE MAN - (Key 4) - In the Southwest, as in all areas of North America, there exist men and women who practice the use of power to achieve their goals. Sometimes called the medicine man or woman, sorcerer or shaman, these individuals have often been the subjects of books and even movies. Their practice is often referred to as magic. Nothing is further from the truth. Magic is the un natural use of the Powers of Nature. They who turn to the practice of disharmony are more properly called witches, warlocks and sorcerers. (It is this disharmony that eventually undoes these practitioners and seals their doom). Medicine men and women work with the force of Nature. (Move against the river, it weakens and ultimately destroys - move with the river, and the power of the river enters your soul and reveals its knowledge). One series of popular books (Carlos Casteneda Series) refers to Don Juan. One of the Sorcerers of the Southwestern Desert. His apprentice was known as Carlos. Through the series of books, carlos is guided by Don Juan and Don Genaro on a path to Sorcery. The methods used by Don Juan are well known to the Medicine Men and Women of the Southwest and most of what is described in the first two books is a valid teaching technique of teaching by Distraction. However, due to the blinders Carlos refuses to move from his eyes, the two books seem to be rather confusing. This is not because of Don Juan. Don Juan's attempts to make him see in another way, are totally rejected by Carlos and the result is a mixed up re-telling of events. Do not accept the final book's premise that Carlos has achieved the status of Sorcerer or knowing one - that is not the outcome. Those who refuse to remove the blinders and expand their awareness, will forever be trapped in a prison-world of their own making, and will never see the dangers around them. (They who do not wish to see CANNOT; Those who do not wish to hear CANNOT; Those who do not wish to feel CANNOT. (Suggestion - re-read the Don Juan comments carefully). MEDICINE MAN/WOMAN - At this point it would be well to mention that Medicine men/Woman are not necessarily healers. In fact, your medicine is your passion. Your medicine always makes you feel high while dancing, then dancing is your medicine. If you feel high while cooking, then cooking is your medicine. Your medicine will always help to cure that which ails you. Your medicine will always give you the power to rise up and continue. (This medicine is of the spirit) Your medicine is also that which you do. Your conduct in the Land of Living Things, what you do is your signature in life and it is your medicine. how your treat others and how you react to the world is your medicine. You medicine can help the ailments of others or it could, in fact poison them. What you do effects other at all times. (If your medicine is harmful to others, you, as a medicine man or medicine woman have failed in your task.) What you DO in the land of the living things is your medicine. (This medicine is of the body). (It is the true medicine man/woman that makes the medicine of the spirit one with the medicine of the body.) TRUTH AND WISDOM - (key 6) Truth and wisdom must always be sought out. Neither shall come easily. If at first, the teacher ignores you.. Ask again! All masters of Wisdom will succumb to the Passionate student. To demand a right to knowledge is to say you provide this for me. To ask for knowledge is to show respect for wisdom and to pursue knowledge is to show passion for truth. (In life, there are no RIGHTS, only privileges). Unlike power, truth seeks to come out. It does not hide, it is hidden by those wishing it to remain concealed. Truth and power are tools to be used. Not ends in themselves. (Power can cover or uncover truth;...truth can only uncover power; Power can lead to truth...Truth always leads to power. Wisdom is knowing how to use both). PASSION (Key 7) - In order to pursue your Passion, first you must recognise your passion. The following guidelines should help you to identify your passion: 1. Your PASSION always makes you feel on fire. 2. Your PASSION always makes time disappear (five hours always seems like five minutes. 3. Your PASSION occupies most of your waking thoughts. 4. Your PASSION forces you into action, you cannot sit. 5. Your PASSION is something you will always find time for. AWARENESS - (Key 8) - There are three parts to Awareness 1. The Inner Spirit or the PASSION; 2. The Outer Being or the BODY; 3. The Outer Spirit or the SPIRITUAL. (Master the inner self first, the physical self secondly, then and only then, can the spiritual be conquered). How can we master the more complex out of body experience if we cannot stop overeating? How can we stop overeating if we do not have Passion or discipline to accomplish it? All spiritual teachings require mastery of the spirit. Development, or growth, is always outward, not inward. Mastery of the Inner Spirit or passion is first; Mastery of the body or Physical is next; Mastery of the Spiritual is the final step. Those who turn the order around will find their development moving inward and falling in on itself. (Passion is the secret to all things. Master this and all things shall be revealed to you). STAR WARRIORS - (Key 9) - To follow the path of the STAR WARRIOR, you must first eliminate two concepts from your mind and spirit - Can't and Impossible -. How long would you stay married to a spouse who constantly told you that you could not do something? You can't go there; You can't do that; You can't say that! - Not very long. So why then permit yourself to deny yourself? Remember, if you believe yourself inferior, you are! If you say to yourself, I cannot - you are right. If you say to yourself, I can - you are also right. To become who you wish to become, first establish who that person is and how they would act. Then, practice and rehearse everything that person would think and do. (To become a deer, one must act, think, live and be as the deer - only then can the passion of the deer be yours). In other words, create yourself. Write a script for your own movie. The hero is your. In the script, write all those things you wish for yourself, all those things you would like to do or feel. Then rehearse your script. Practice becoming the hero or heroine of your movie. Rehearse over and over again until you know the behaviour instinctively. Slowly, you will begin to know how the hero acts and thinks. Slowly, you will become the hero of your movie and your life. The only way to become a runner is to begin running - The only way to become a lover is to begin loving - The only way to become passionate is to practice passion - Practice being that which you wish to be...and soon you shall become it. THE 10 COMMANDMENTS OF THE STAR WARRIORS. (Key 10) 1. I am a child of the Dancing Star born of chaos. 2. I am fire. 3. I see the fire in all things. 4. I am but a visitor in the land of living things. 5. I walk the path of silence. 6. I am not seen or heard. I am only felt. 7. I take only that which I can return. 8. I cannot possess. I can only share. 9. I am my grandfather in all ways. 10.I am the answer. ___ X WinQwk 2.0 a#0 X Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- * Origin: ** So many Pleiadian women..so little time :-) ** (88:4205/1.1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (4091) Wed 9 Sep 92 0:27 By: Don Allen To: All Re: Hopi Prophesies 2 St: Local --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 88:4205/1.1 7e159850 @PID: FM 2.02 * Forwarded from "contact" * Originally by Sande Van der Straten * Originally to Sandy Barbre * Originally dated 1 Sep 1992, 17:45 1. I AM BORN OF THE STARS. THE STARS WERE BORN OF CHAOS. THERE SHALL ALWAYS BE CHAOS, BUT I SHALL ALWAYS BE WARRIOR. Only in challenge shall we find our greatest strengths and our weaknesses. Only in challenge shall our passions be made strong. The goal of life is outward development. NOT inner peace. Peace that brings no challenge means stagnation. Confidence in self wrought through challenge is TRUE peace. 2. I AM FIRE. I AM PASSION. ALL THAT I DO, I DO WITH PASSION. - Fire is passion. Passion is that inner force that distinguishes us from all others. Passion is that which makes the Bear become the Bear...never will you see the Bear trying to fly as the Eagle, for it is his passion to be the bear. Passion is the gift that allows us to be what we wish. To do anything without passion, is to go through the motions. To be Passionless is to lose the fight of life. Those who have no fire are easy to conquer and manipulate. The study of Physics and other sciences tells us that all things are comprised of atoms which in turn are comprised of electrons, protons and neutrons...all are particles of energy or electricity. This energy cannot be destroyed, only changed. From these very same particles came the release of a basis of our existence, within our own bodies. Herein, science has revealed the existence of a force unlike any on this planet, the force which directs each one of us in our path. This is our passion, this is our gift. 3. I SEE THE FIRE IN ALL THINGS - All things possess fire. All this have spirit. The only difference between man and animal is that they wear different skins. The only difference between man and all things is the skin, or outer covering. In the Hopi world, the spirit of a think is called katcina. It is the katcina that is the fire or passion. Those who can see and hear can learn from those katcinas around us. If you can communicate with another human being, you can communicate with the trees, the wind and all things of the earth. 4. I AM BUT A VISITOR IN THE LAND OF LIVING THINGS - The skin we wear is but a temporary robe. That part of us which is most important is the inner spirit, or the passion. Yet, we must never forget that we are guests in this land and we must conduct ourselves as such. We respect all that is here. That which we may receive in this place must be left here.. things cannot be taken with us, but all of our riches that we have accumulated in memories and knowledge shall go with us forever. 5. I WALK THE PATH OF SILENCE - In the Song of the morning sky, there is a line that says live as though you cannot speak. It means that what you do is more important than what you say. If you cannot speak, you must communicate your love and friendship through your actions. You must demonstrate that which you feel. Let your actions be your measure. Only in silence can you learn. He who talks does not hear - only in silence can you defeat your enemy, he who makes no noise is invisible. 6. I AM NOT SEE OR HEARD, I AM ONLY FELT - The warrior must make himself felt. If he lives his life and the world has not felt him, he has failed. If he lives his life and grandfather has not felt him, he has failed. His passion must be experienced by others, not witnessed. He who uses his fire warms the world, he who shouts of his fire fills the world with noise. 7. I TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH I CAN RETURN. THE BALANCE OF NATURE AND HARMONY OF THE UNIVERSE MUST BE MAINTAINED - If the warrior takes a tree for use as a canoe, he must return and plant a seed to replace it. If a warrior takes an ear of corn, he must return and plant another. If a warrior takes a life, he must replace it. (In days of old, if a man took the life of another, he returned and took care of the victims wife and family. It was the civilised european immigrants who taught the Indian to take life without concern for repayment or maintaining the balance of nature. 8. I CANNOT POSSESS, I CAN ONLY SHARE - Which of the fleas owns the dog? Which of the leaves owns the tree? If there can be such a thing as ownership, does not the grass have first claim to the land? Or cannot the trees make the same claims? The secret of possession is this, when you make a claim of possession.. that which is claimed to be the possession is not the possessed, that distinction lies with the owner. 9. I AM MY GRANDFATHER IN ALL WAYS - Grandfather is the name given to the Great Spirit. Grandfather is the name given to the Universe. Grandfather is father of the man to whom I was born. The universe is Grandfather. In all the universe all things are possible. In the universe. To believe in Grandfather is to believe in all things. I am the great spirit, I am grandfather, I am the universe... in me all things are possible. 10. I AM THE ANSWER - The Warrior is an answer to a problem. He is not the answer, but one of many possible solutions. The Warrior is the first one into battle, the first one to sacrifice, the first one to step between his loved ones and danger. The warrior is a living example of passion. POWER - Key 11 - True power never allows itself to be confronted directly and never permits itself to be seen. That which appears to be the power is the distraction. When confronted by that which seems powerful, look to either side and even behind you, for there in those places you shall find the real power. Distractions are not always visual. Each one of the senses can be distracted..sight, sound, smell, taste and touch. If confronted with an unusual sensation, check all senses for their input. Look quickly around you for sudden movement, listen for quiet voices, feel for presences. This is not paranoia, this is a search for revelation. Yet, the most powerful weapons for distractions are found within the human spirit itself...the mind and the heart. If either is persuaded that the power does not exist, then the concealment is accomplished.. the power is hidden. POWER CENTRES - Key 12 - There are, on the face of the Earth, natural centres of power. These centres of power will allow anyone with the ability to focus one's passion to increase their power by one hundred fold. The power centres are free and open, and cannot be hidden or destroyed by the forces of Sorcery and Magic. They seek to keep you from them, but these centres are easily located. You shall always find your abilities and awareness heightened when immersed in one. WHEN THE EARTH AND SKY MEET IN HARMONY, THEREIN LIES THE GIFT OF POWER (Suggestion - the study of harmonics by Bruce Cathie can lead to the location of power centres). THE BIRD PEOPLE - Key 13 - Descended of the skies Enki and his children have been the benefactors of mankind throughout time. Enki's gift to man is the feather..for it is the feather that allows one to fly, it is the feather that allows one to soar. (Seek the path of the children of the feather, therein lies the secret of the Star Warrior and Ascendancy). Mankind has been guided and watched over by these Children of the feather. Throughout history, their tracks are found. Study of the Egyptian, Greek and Roman mythologies will reveal many Birdmen in places of influence. The symbols of nations and peoples have often included the Bird of influence. Man has within his soul the yearning for the heavens. The gift of Dreams was the gift of the Children of the Feather. (I have dreamed it..my spirit achieved this...now, my body will follow). And how are the angels dressed? Long flowing hair, long flowing robes and wings... feathers that give them flight. (I am of the sky, by the earth..and for all things, I belong). (Suggestion, who are the Children of the Feather?) THE LIZARD PEOPLE - key 14 - The Reptile is cold-blooded, the warmth of passion is not found within. The seek warmth outside themselves, and survive by stealing the warmth of the fire of other things. This is the way of the Reptile. The Children of the Reptile have also left their tracks on Mankind's history. Where there has been deceit and lies, here there has been fear and turmoil...therein, the Children of the Reptile have resided. Seeking to emerge into the World of the Sun, they feed upon the Fire of others..Never forget this! Keep your fire under your control. (The fire of man burns hotter than a thousand suns. Yield not its flame, and the universe shall feel your warmth). Seek the Path of the Reptile and you shall find one of the greatest deceits of all time. It was the serpent that aspired to Godhood. It was the Serpent that wanted Man's adulation and it was the serpent that wanted man's soul (passion). Those who seek your passion..your spirit...or your soul...are the Children of the Reptile. PROPHECY AND REVELATIONS - key 15 - In the Hopi world, the interpreters of revelations are the members of the singers society. To them falls the task of revealing and interpreting the signs of the stones given to them from the Old Ones. From these stones, the future can be read by those who know. Hopi prophecy reveals the return of Bahana, a teacher of righteousness that will restore the Hopi (the good people) to their rightful place, in a world of peace and harmony. Bahana is sometimes thought of as the White brother but is more accurately characterised as the pure one. Bahana will use the Wisdom of the Ancient Ones and will utilise the Power of the Star warrior. Bahana will call upon the Spirit of All Things in the world, called Katcinas, to give him the strength to Right all things in the world. There are many prophecies throughout the Indian America, we shall mention but two - (The day the lances will come - the eagle and the serpent will contend - The children of the feather shall ascend, children of the reptile shall return to the depths - only the fire will keep the stars in their heavens). The following revelation was delivered in 1928. It is up to you to decipher its multiple meanings... today's red man is white, tomorrows white man is green. KATCINA - key 16 - The fire in all things, the Spirit or the soul, is called Katcina in the Hopi world. In the Land of Living Things, the Katcina takes three forms... The Spirit or fire itself, the dancer who imitates and becomes the fire, and the wooden carving, often called spirit carving. (Those interested in American Artworks should be advised that only the Hopi and the Sister tribe the Zuni, have Katcinas. There is no such thing as a Navajo Katcina or an Apache Katcina. Each of the Katcinas has a special strength or talent, one special passion or way of life to teach. The Kwahu Katcina, Spirit of the Eagle, is the bringer of Dreams, and gives mankind the ability to soar and achieve. Hon is the Bear Katcina and the bringer of courage and strength. (The presence of a Katcina carving in the home brings the presence of the spirit in the house). For the reader who has been following the progression of the Star Warrior teachings to this point, the author would like to now present a summation of events that will help to put the old ways into a perspective never before possible. And that is how the ways or teachings of the American Indian can apply to the world of today..and tomorrow. The follow events are all true...it is left to the reader to verify them (An in depth chronology is offered as a key). STAR DATES - A CHRONOLOGY - key 17 - The history of mankind is full of recorded contacts with extra-terrestrials since the beginning of time. Virtually every science, religion and expression of life relates the story of man's visitations by the Sky People. Writers and researchers spend lifetimes gathering and sifting through information and constantly publish their findings. Recent studies reveal 4 out of 5 individuals believe in Aliens. We now address this issue..and..the Star Warrior. In 1933, Adolph Hitler rose to power in Germany. It is revealed by those who knew him that he was obsessed with the Spear of Destiny and the Old Ones, who helped guide him on the path to World Conquest. The Spear was reputedly the one that pierced the side of Christ while on the Cross and guaranteed Black power to those who held it. The Old Ones granted Hitler boons in exchange for a price to be extracted from his future. Because of Hitler's Quest, four relevant events occurred. The first was the beginning of a global bio-genetic experiment to breed the perfect super-human; the second was the newly developed science of flying saucer technology; the third was the experimentation of Time Travel; and the fourth was the development of the Atomic Bomb. All of these events can easily be verified by the reader. In 1935, Pope John made the following statement in one of his addresses: The signs are increasing. The lights in the sky will appear red, blue, green rapidly. someone is coming from very far and wants to meet the people of the Earth. Meetings have already taken place. But those who have really seen have been silent. In 1941, the United States entered the war. New evidence on Pearl Harbour reveals that the powers that be knew of the impending attack but felt it must be suffered in order to get the American people completely behind the effort. ___ X WinQwk 2.0 a#0 X Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- --- * Origin: ** So many Pleiadian women..so little time :-) ** (88:4205/1.1) **************** Cont in Star Warrior part 2 ****************************** Don -- <*> Don Allen <*> 1:363/81.1 - Fidonet #1 - Homebody BBS dona@bilver.uucp - Internet 1:363/29.8 - Fidonet #2 - Gourmet Delight 88:4205/1.1 - MUFON Network 1:3607/20.2 -- Odyssey - Alabama UFO Net NSA grep food: Aviary, Ed Dames, Los Alamos - Majestic - Jason - RIIA - UN Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9399 alt.conspiracy:18346 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!tous!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Subject: FILE: Star Warriors - Part 2 - LONG! Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:38:10 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep15.033810.3393@bilver.uucp> Lines: 452 ----------** Star Warriors part 2 **-------------(27K)--------------------- (4090) Wed 9 Sep 92 0:27 By: Don Allen To: All Re: Hopi Prophesies 3 St: Local --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 88:4205/1.1 7e15984f @PID: FM 2.02 * Forwarded from "contact" * Originally by Sande Van der Straten * Originally to Sandy Barbre * Originally dated 2 Sep 1992, 15:11 In 1945, President Roosevelt died, and Truman assumed the Office of the president. Seventeen days later, Hitler commits suicide in his now famous bunker. Three months later the first Atomic Bomb is detonated in the Northwestern areas of New Mexico; one month after that Hiroshima is the first victim of the Atomic Bomb, and exactly one week later the Japanese surrender. Through World War II, UFOs are sighted all over the glove. Some are the result of Hitler's scientists, some are from space. Upon the wars end in 1945. President Truman was confronted with a new problem...crashed discs and alien bodies. In the next five years, the wreckage of 16 discs were recorded, 14 of them in the Arizona/New Mexico area. This posed the government two immediate concerns, one that they were in the same relative area where Atomic testing was taking place, and secondly that human body parts were found in storage inside the crafts. In 1948, a live alien was captured. EBE was a member of an alien race whose bodily functions were plane-like. EBE was questioned but initially refused to cooperate. In time, his revelations became a guide book for scientists and in fact, it is reported that he assisted Dr von Neumann in conquering Time Travel. In 1952 EBE became ill and died. (The plant-like alien race will hereafter be referred to as the greens. This is symbolic only and should not be taken in any literal sense). In December of 1948, President Truman issued directives to the CIA that virtually gave them the right to create a secret government to study and control the Alien problem. In addition, Project Blue Book was created to debunk any sightings and not permit real evidence from reaching the public eye. Prior to EBE's death, Project Sigma was created to send out distress signals to EBE's race in the hopes of saving him. Also created was a group later to be known as the Bilderbergers. It was this group that would carry out, in secrecy, the global plans for dealing with the Aliens. In that same fateful year, NSA is created as the agency in America that would handle the Alien problem. (All of these plans made by Trueman were done in his last two months in office). New President Dwight David Eisenhower assumes office only to be suddenly confronted by a new Warfront..the Alien question. Ten more crashes occur, half in New Mexico/Arizona area. But more startling events were yet to come. Later that year, alien space ships took up residency in a high orbit around the Earth's equator. In late 1953. Close Encounters of the Third Kind really happened in California. In 1954, President Eisenhower met with this group of Aliens. Negotiations for a Treaty were entered into and, in fact, the resultant Treaty was signed. First ambassador to the Earth from Space is reported to be named Krill. During these negotiations, a second group landed in Florida. This group attempted to persuade the Humans not to negotiate and ally themselves with the orbiting race of Aliens. This new group offered to help with our spiritual development but refused to exchange any technology. Our salvation they insisted, was in disarming. (This group of aliens shall hereafter be referred to as the Blues...again this is a symbolic reference only). Because of the offer from the orbiting group; because of the suspicions of the Secret Government; because of the enormous gains to be made by the Treaty..this offer was rejected by the American government. Upon discovery of their interference, the Alien forces that orbited the equator immediately retaliated against the Blues. Most of the Blues disappeared into the skies, but several found refuge and took up residence on the lands of the Southwestern Tribes of the American Indian. Many Elders saw their prophecies being fulfilled by these Star Warriors and gladly took them in. The ways of the Star Warriors were virtually the same as the Ways of the Medicine Warrior. In the meantime, the Treaty is developed. (The reader is advised that this is not the first contact by the Greys. Nor the first time an on-going completely visible presence is established). This alien race, referred to as the greys, is recognised in all their efforts through their symbol, the equilateral Triangle. (Suggestion-investigate any trilateral or delta groups) The treaty calls for non-interference by both parties in the affairs of the other. The greys will be permitted to engage in abductions for the purposes of experimentation if no harm comes to the victims. In exchange the secret government is to receive technology assisting i the development of Time Travel and flying saucers. Both sides agree that neither side will sign treaties with any other Aliens or humans. Two bases for mutual use are to be constructed at the outset. The humans select Nevada desert for one base, the aliens select the four corners area of Arizona and New Mexico. The selection of the four corners are forces the blues in hiding to leave the area. Several Elders leave with them to provide assistance and to continue the exchange of Wisdom. Those left behind have only pieces of the puzzle. Unknown to the humans of the time, the greys already had connection with the children of the reptile. Underground bases would permit easier contact and give the children of the reptile direct monitoring of all activities. (Perhaps it would be well to let the reader know that at least two alliances, out of the sight of humans, were now in existence..one between the greys and the children of the reptile and another between the blues and the children of the feather. In January of 1955, months later, a member of the secret government, secretary of State John Foster Dulles, displays the arrogance fostered by the grey treaty."The US defense is now to depend primarily upon a great capacity to retaliate instantly by means and places of our choosing". This policy is known as massive retaliation and alarms America's allies. As the year progresses, mutilated animals and humans are being found. The agency in charge suspects the greys of violating the treaty. It is discovered that the greys have been dealing with the Soviet Union. A battle in the skies is reported to have occurred. The Air Force fails miserably. A presidential study group asserts that the public should not be told or panic and mass hysteria would reign. And that means that the Congress cannot be told. The group finds out that bio-genetic experimentation must be done by the greys because they are dying out and need a perfect super-human body to survive. The study group also discovers that the greys have admitted to manipulation of mankind through secret societies, witchcraft, magic, the occult and religion. The study group reportedly confronted the greys and pressed the question. The report says the greys freely admitted to religious manipulation but warned against the departure of man from the church. If man refused to place himself at the feet of christ, even they, with the power, could not prevent the holocaust found in Revelations from occurring. World war III was a certainty. To prove their point, a hologram of the Crucifixion was shown to the group. It was recorded by the study group, and the film exists today. In July 1957 a symposium held at the international geophysical Year Gather reveals probably self-destruction of the earth due to over-heating and and over-population. A follow-up study group called the Jason Society, then suggests three alternatives. One, blasting a hole through the atmosphere to allow the heat and pollution to escape, over-population (it is rejected immediately). Secondly, to begin building underground cities for refuge of a select few survivors. (All others are expendable). And thirdly, to establish bases on other planets utilising the technology of aliens and that of our own development. Both plans are adopted. (Alternative 2 and Alternative 3). As a delaying action, birth control, sterilisation and new deadly diseases are part of both plans (AIDS is one result). Using space ships constructed and tested for years, the colonisation of the moon and other planets begins in earnest. In order to finance these and other projects, the Secret Government, in 1959, pursues drug smuggling as a major fund raising project. An ambitious young member of the Council on Foreign Relations is approached to use his offshore company, Zapata Oil, to smuggle in drugs. With the help of the CIA, the project becomes very successful. The president of Zapata Oil is none other than George Bush. In 1960, John F Kennedy is elected to office by less than 100,000 votes. The following year the public sees the first man into space. Yuri Gugarin. The public does not know that moon colonisation has already begun. On the 22 of May, 1960 a space probe lands on Mars and confirms the possibility of colonisation. President John Kennedy discovers the black projects, drug smuggling and the existence of aliens. kennedy issues an ultimatum to MJ-12, the Secret government Agency in charge, to cease and desist or he will reveal what he has discovered to the public. On November 22, 1963, John F. Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas, Texas, on the orders of the Secret Government. It should be noted that the vested interests of, not one group, but rather numerous groups involved with the Secret Government, were at stake. 1963 sees the deaths of Pope John XXIII and John Kennedy. Also removed from power were Prime Minister MacMillan of England, West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer and the USSR's Premier Kruschev. Lyndon Baines Johnson, assumes office and within months begins his great Society plans to take care of everyone in the United States. He immediately escalates the War in Vietnam, CIA involvement continues at fever pitch. The Great blackout of New York City occurs. Reports of spaceships just prior to the power outage are confirmed. The areas affected are Southeastern Canada and Northeastern N.Y. On July 21, 1969, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren land the Eagle on the Moon in front of millions of television viewers. Numerous ham operators and other radio monitoring sites hear Armstrong describe Alien crafts as they watch him. "My god, they're real!" he is heard to exclaim. Maurice Chatelain, former Chief of NASA Communications systems claims all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed by extra-terrestrial space vehicles. He is unable to say where they are from. Later in that year, the Phoenix Project targets mind control. Indigenous people are taken off the streets for testing. One estimate says 250,000 were taken against their will. Brain damage, extreme mutilations or death are the results. In 1972, Richard Nixon visits China in February. In June, the Watergate burglars are caught, but in November, Nixon wins his re-election back to the White House. In 1973, in June, the Watergate hearings begin and Nixon is implicated. The secret government asks Nixon to resign to avoid disclosure of any of the secret projects. Nixon refuses. In 1974, the fabricated gas oil shortage is in effect, and the impeachment hearings of Richard Milhouse Nixon begin. On the 4th of August, the secret government issues orders to all of the US military Commands to ignore any White House order. On the 9th August, Nixon resigns. In 1979, Project Pheonix, with the assistance of the greys was succesful in producing a Mind amplifier. Under drug influence, psychics, those with mental capabilities above the norm were hooked up to these machines and were able to create physical forms. The tests were successful! PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE STAR WARRIOR PAPERS - It is hoped by the author that the above chronology has begun to intrigue the reader at its least. Please note that much of the information disseminated through accepted Chronologies and Encyclopedias is based on that which was given out by the Powers that be to begin with. Several of the official entries were created to placate and deceive you. (The reader will be pleased to find several top secret document sources listed in the key on this section. Other sources listed at the end of these papers also include many of the same sources). The information contained in these pages of summation is only designed to stir curiosity and hopefully inspire some to research and investigate further. There are many, many clues and great amounts of information provided in the summary. Read and re-read them again. Apply all previous keys to the material, one at a time. The results are revealing. SECRETS OF THE WHITEMAN - ANALYSIS OF THE GREYS - Though certainly the greys are a formidable power. Mankind has several advantages going for it. There is, to begin with a universal federation that watches closely the behaviour of all the races of the universe. No one race can interfere with another without the willingness and consent of the other race, such interference would result in severe and serious retaliation. If enough of Mankind rejects the ways of the greys, they would be forced to withdraw or suffer heavy consequences. ___ X WinQwk 2.0 a#0 X Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- --- * Origin: ** So many Pleiadian women..so little time :-) ** (88:4205/1.1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (4089) Wed 9 Sep 92 0:26 By: Don Allen To: All Re: Hopi Prophesies 4 St: Local --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @MSGID: 88:4205/1.1 7e15984e @PID: FM 2.02 * Forwarded from "contact" * Originally by Sande Van der Straten * Originally to Sandy Barbre * Originally dated 2 Sep 1992, 15:58 (key 21) Another advantage that mankind has is his access to the Power Centres previously discussed. One of the newest of the discoveries of the earth is the existence of energy belts that gird the planet. It has been discovered that UFO activities follow these belts and that, in fact, the testing of Atomic Bombs and sites of great power, like Stonehenge and the Sphinx, are also on these belts. At the intersection of these belts, there are great sources of free energy for anyone to use. As in the mind amplification experiments mentioned above, these power centres can be used by one well-disciplined Medicine Man/Woman to produce incredible results. Since all power centres or intersections of the Harmonics Belts cannot be controlled, this free power can be harnessed by Mankind. (This is the meaning of living in harmony with the Universe as the Ancient Ones revealed). (key 12) - The final advantage we will discuss (this does not imply that there are no other secrets which can be utilised against the greys) is the fire within man that we have referred to as passion. The secret to all things is passion. With passion, all things are possible. The amplification experiments of the Phoenix Project have been explained as having amplified Brain Waves, in fact, they amplified the passion of the subject. It was that inner will of the subject that was intensified. That inner spirit within all of us, that driving force is manifested in electrical energy. Master that force and you cannot be controlled, the Universe is yours. Master the inner Spirit and you shall Master the Physical. The weakness of the greys is that they are passionless. They feed upon our passion that we willingly give up. When consumed with fear and insecurity, lack of confidence in ourselves, we give up our passion to the feeding frenzy of those devouring sharks. You have been given a task, that task is to be you. Only you have received the passion that drives you, only you can utilise or sacrifice this gift of passion. Passion is the secret to all things - passion is the universe - passion is all things - passion is grandfather - but most importantly, passion is you. (key-7) PHYSICAL SECRETS OF THE GREYS - key 22 - In the presence of a grey the sensations of the average person are disturbed. Generally, one will find themselves in a state of extreme unpleasantness or will experience the creeps. Often, there is a sense of intimidation or fear. Instinctively, the human spirit will react to a grey presence. This does not mean that everyone who gives you these feelings is a grey, it is only a clue to the possibility of their presence. Generally greys have a very difficult time maintaining eye contact. They have a difficult time focusing on things that are near to them, so that even if eye contact is made, they seem to be looking right through you. Again, this is only a clue to the possibility of their presence and should not be construed to mean all those who have this difficulty are greys. The greys continue to master the physical traits of humans but have still not quite been able to fool a truly passionate individual. SECRETS OF THE CHILDREN OF THE REPTILE - Key 14 - The children of the reptile must not be forgotten in the equation of earthy events. Their alliance with the greys poses a formidable force. It will do researchers and all who study the greys well to remember that the true power behind them are the children of the reptile. (The chameleon becomes that which he wishes you to see). Review the earlier information and the Star warrior path, for now, remember the Secret to all things is Passion and all shall be revealed to you. (The topic of the children of the reptile shall be left for the second set of Star Warrior Papers). WARFARE- key 240 - The wars of the White Man are begun for two reasons, defence of one's people and attack for gain. The defense of one's peoples is understandable that need not be addressed. The attack for gain is that which we will address. The white man attacks so as to add to his material world, or to use his own words, for a profit. If there is no profit, war is too costly and will not be pursued. The military-industrial complex is the back-bone of modern white man's world. Certainly, the history of the American Indian and the white man shows this mentality at its peak. The taking of our lands was solely for the purpose of profit for the new country's powerful elite. New lands meant new chances to generate wealth. World War II saw deliberate manipulation by the powers that be to force United States involvement. As a result, the United States became the most powerful and technologically rich country in the world. The most recent war, the Vietnam conflict, will ultimately prove to be nothing more than an elaborate cover for drug smuggling and dope peddling. What man's wars are born of greed - not of noble intent. REPORTED WORLD GOVERNMENT PLANS - Preparations of the public for announcement of aliens by utilising movies, tv programmes, magazines and even children's cartoons to depict aliens as humankind benefactors. (Aliens are O.K!) - (key 25). The creation of a criminal class by the development of public welfare systems that create a dependency on big brother and his money. By later terminating these programs, dependent people will have to turn to criminal activities. key 26 - The destruction of lower classes through drugs. The creation of fear in the public of terrorism and crime in the streets which will push gun control. Drug and hypnosis induced individuals will kill at random, thus terrifying the public and causing them to ask for Government intervention. (A government program named Orion was created for this very purpose. Utilising drugs, subjects became unwilling and unknowing assassins. A recent study of the random-killing murderers disclosed that almost every one of the killers had been treated with the drug Prozac. key 27 - The abduction of humans by the aliens and the secret government continues for both experimentation and implantations. It has been reported that one in forty humans has been implanted. On a given command, they will respond as programmed key 28 - THE FATIMA PROPHECY/RELIGION - key 29 - Reading of William Cooper's book reveals an admission by the greys that they had, in fact, manipulated man through the occult and related practices, but also, through man's own religions. The following assertion may be most difficult for the reader to consider, The Fatima prophecy and related sightings, the crucifixion and the burning bush are all deceptions designed to make man willingly yield his planet and his passion to the greys and the children of the reptile. When scared or confused, the passion of man becomes weak and vulnerable. The energy released, the passion surrendered by losing control is gobbled up by the passionless. To see the answer outside yourself, gives control of your passion to whomever or whatever responds. Any religion or discipline that immediately separates god and man succeeds in turning your outward, away from your passion. To be god-fearing is to be afraid and sacrifice passion. Redemption by ingesting the body and blood even if it is symbolic in its cannibalism, suggests salvation is external. A christ-head to whom you must sacrifice self can only be the devourer of your passion. There are no words, no chants, no rituals, no charms, not one simple exercise that can give the secret of ascendancy. The one path succeeds, it is the path that begins within. The teachings of the children of the reptile are intended to make you surrender your passion. Be wary! it is not the way. The secret to all things is passion, your passion. NEW AGE - the following observations are the sole perspective of this author and do not necessarily reflect the whole of Native American Indians. However, most Indians will agree. PSYCHICS - Psychics are those who are in tune with the spiritual- while there is value in contact with the spiritual, let us never forget the paramount importance of the inner self and the physical self. Question, if psychics can speak to the dearly departed, why can't they speak to those who are about to be born? In the medicine world, we know that the vision required is both the same in both cases. The author personally suspects those who cannot see in both directions. CHANNELING - The practice of channeling is seldom done by the medicine world. Though the practice has its merits, those who act as the channels are truly subject to the integrity of the one who is channeled. In fact, many channelers have had to recant their allegiance when they discovered they were deliberately misguided. This does not mean the channeler was an accomplice to the perpetration of deceitful manipulation of the spirit, but in fact, the channeler was a willing vehicle. The medicine world prefers the warrior or medicine person make contact with his or her inner passion and truths. It is known to all that with each of us is the knowledge of the universe, the wisdom of the ancient ones, just waiting for us to seek it (look first within, trust that passion and all things will be revealed.) This is not a condemnation of channeling, but rather a preference for turning inwards for answers instead of outwards. SPIRIT GUIDES - This is an age old discipline of the medicine world. It differs from channeling in that we listen to our guides but do not let them speak through us. We trust our guides but are still responsible for our own decisions and actions. If there is a revelation from our guide, it is for us to find the way to speak of it. We become responsible for transmitting the message, if we fail, we believe our guide will find another who is more worthy that us. Spirit guides cannot wrongly manipulate us if we stay true to our passions. If we are deceived, we are not true and strong. We are responsible. CRYSTALS - All things have a spirit, in the Hopi World, we call this spirit katcina. As all humans cannot be trusted, so all crystals cannot be trusted. Some crystals will work for one individual while they drain and harm another. Treat each crystal as you would another human being, establish your own relationship, judge for yourself. STAR WARRIOR SUMMATION - These few pages are for those who have been gracious and kind enough to request some information on the Way of the Star Warrior. It is only the first step on a path of revelation and discovery. If the path seems good to you, then continue. If at any point, you have any misgivings, then seek another path, or at the very least, stop, take a deep breath and reassess your position. The information in these papers, must not be accepted blindly, you must go out and confirm them yourself. Do some investigations and research, study everything and make the decision for yourself. You are responsible for what you do with this knowledge. If you choose to reject the existence of greys and blues, there is still the terror of the one world secret government to consider. If you choose to reject the existence of a secret government, then the information in these papers and other of its kind should make no difference to your existence. they are harmless. (One last suggestion, just because you cannot see or hear it, does not mean it doesn't exist). If the information in these papers whets your thirst for more on the Star Warrior, then pursue it. If you remember nothing else, remember this, the secret to all things is passion. That is the secret power of the Star Warrior. Suggested Reading; Bill Cooper - Behold a Pale Horse; Timothy Good - Above Top Secret; Bruce Cathie - Harmonics; Frank Waters - Book of the Hopi; Hyemeyohsts Storm - Seven Arrows; Duncan Roads - Nexus Magazine; Vine Deloria - God is Red; The Holy Bible, The Dulce Papers; The Pleiades Papers; The Gemstone Papers; The Opal Papers; NB (I have copies of the Gemstone and Opal papers - Sande) ___ X WinQwk 2.0 a#0 X Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- --- * Origin: ** So many Pleiadian women..so little time :-) ** (88:4205/1.1) <*><*><*> End of File <*>-------------------------------------------------<*> Don -- <*> Don Allen <*> 1:363/81.1 - Fidonet #1 - Homebody BBS dona@bilver.uucp - Internet 1:363/29.8 - Fidonet #2 - Gourmet Delight 88:4205/1.1 - MUFON Network 1:3607/20.2 -- Odyssey - Alabama UFO Net NSA grep food: Aviary, Ed Dames, Los Alamos - Majestic - Jason - RIIA - UN Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9400 alt.conspiracy:18347 sci.skeptic:31021 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!tous!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Subject: FILE: Roswell - Timeline done in ASCII - LONG! Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:59:17 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep15.035917.3832@bilver.uucp> Lines: 526 The next few articles were forwarded from the Alabama (BAMA) UFO echo. Many thanks to John Powell for his time and effort in typing this up. I took the messages and cat'ed them from my FD folder. See what you think. -------------------------------------------------------------------- (3498) Sun 13 Sep 92 17:48 By: John Powell To: All Re: Roswell Timeline, 1/3 St: 3497<>3499 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ [I have changed slightly the columnar and date formats of what appears below so that it will fit better into an 80-character wide format. All following material is from: _The Roswell Report: A Historical Perspective_, George M. Eberhart editor, 1991 the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies. ISBN 0-929343-59-X. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIMELINE OF THE ROSWELL EVENT Note: Bracketed [] entries are those for which we have only indirect evidence or for which a time slot could not be definately established. This chart is a revised version of the one that appeared in _UFO Crash at Roswell_. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date/Time | Events at Roswell, N.M. | Events elsewhere ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Tue. 7/1 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | | Sherman Campbell discovers | | weather balloon debris | | near Circleville, OH. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Wed. 7/2 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Night | 9:50pm. Mr. & Mrs. Dan Wilmot report | | oval-shaped UFO moving NW, toward the| | crash site. William Woody and his | | father also observe a bright, arching| | light with a red contrail as they are| | driving NW of Roswell. | | Mac Brazel and others hear loud | | explosion. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Thu. 7/3 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Mid- | Mac Brazel, accompanied by 7-year-old| morning | D. Proctor, discovers a large amount | | of light-weight, metallic debris on a| | remote pasture (the debris field). | | | Late | Brazel visits his neighbors, the | Aborted V-2 rocket launch morning | Proctors, and shows them some of the | at White Sands Proving | material. | Grounds, NM. | | Evening | Brazel removes a large, circular | | piece of debris from the debris field| | and stores it in a shed. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Fri. 7/4 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | Holiday. | 1:00-2:00pm. Flying disks | | observed at Portland, OR. | | 9:12pm. United Air Lines | | flight crew watches 9 | | disks over Emmett, ID. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Sat. 7/5 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | Brazel goes to Corona, NM, and tells | | some acquaintances about the find. | | On the way back he stops again at the| | Proctors. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Sun. 7/6 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Morning | Brazel drives to Roswell to visit | [Army Air Force captain | Sheriff Wilcox. | sees flying disk near | | Fairfield, CA. | | Early | Brazel and Wilcox call Roswell base | 1:45pm B-25 crew observes afternoon | and report the find. | silvery disk over Clay | | Center, KS. | | | Col. Blanchard, Maj. Marcel, and CIC | | Captain Cavitt arrive at Wilcox's | | office to interview Brazel. | | | Mid- | [Blanchard returns to the base with | [General Ramey alerts the afternoon | a portion of Brazel's debris and | Pentagon about the find. | alerts General Ramey in Fort Worth | The Pentagon orders debris | about the find.] | sent to Fort Worth.] | | Late | Marcel and Cavitt accompany Brazel | afternoon | back to his ranch to go to the debris| | field. | | The two deputies return to Sheriff | | Wilcox, having found an area of | | blackened ground. | | | Evening | 1st flight out. Debris flown to | | Fort Worth. | | | Night | Marcel and Cavitt stay at Brazel's | Col. Alan D. Clark flies | ranch and examine the large piece | debris in a B-26 from Ft. | stored in the shed. | Worth to Washington, DC | | for Gen. McMullen. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Mon. 7/7 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Early | Brazel takes Marcel and Cavitt to | morning | debris field. | | | Daytime | | 11:45am. Koshkonong, WI, | | flying disk sighting. | [General Twining makes an unannounced| 2:30pm. East Troy, WI. case. | visit to Kirtland Air Field, near | 9:00pm. William Rhodes takes | Albuquerque.] | photograph of flying disk | | over Phoenix, AZ. | | Late | Marcel and Cavitt leave for the | [Debris from Washington evening | Roswell base after loading their | is sent to Wright Field, | vehicles with debris. | near Dayton, OH.] --- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.10 [NR] * Origin: *** Odyssey UFO Echo *** Cullman, Al 1-205-739-1469 (1:3607/20.0) @PATH: 3607/20 363/29 363/81 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (3497) Sun 13 Sep 92 17:48 By: John Powell To: All Re: Roswell Timeline, 2/3 St: 3498> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Tue. 7/8 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Very early| Marcel stops at his home (2:00am) and| morning | shows some of the debris to his wife | | and son before proceeding on to the | | base. | | | Early | Blanchard orders Maj. Easley to post | morning | guards on the access roads to the | | debris field. | | [7:30am] Staff meeting held by | | Roswell base officers to discuss | | debris. | | | Mid- | 9:00am Cavitt and his assistant M/Sgt| afternoon | Rickett obtain a staff car and drive | 9:30-11:50am. Series of disk | to Brazel's ranch to pick him up and | sightings by pilots and | return to the debris field. | officers at Muroc Air Base | Troops arrive at debris field to | CA. | begin recovery. | | [11:00am] Blanchard dictates a press | | release on the recovery of a flying | | disk to PIO Walter Haut. | | | Mid-day | Haut goes into town to deliver his | | press release to the radio stations | | and newspapers. His first stop is at| | station KGFL, where he gives the | | release to Frank Joyce. | | Noon. The information is put on the | | AP wire. | | 1st flight in arrives from Washington| | DC, carrying a special team of photo-| | graphers and W/O Robert Thomas. | | William Woody and his father, still | | curious about their sighting, drive | | toward Corona. They are turned away | | by MPs posted on outlying roads. | | | Early | News of the recovery spreads as the | afternoon | story hits the wire services. Phone | | lines at the base, at the sheriff's | | office, and at newspaper and radio | | news offices are tied up. | | Sheriff Wilcox sends two more | | deputies to the debris field; they | | are turned back by MPs. | | Cavitt and Rickett return to the | | Roswell base with Brazel. | | | Mid- | Brazel is flown back to the debris | afternoon | field from the base; other planes | | from Roswell are similarly recon- | | noitering the area. | | The impact site is discovered from | | the air; ground troops are directed | | toward it. | | [Barney Barnett and a group of | | students and archeologists or rock- | | hunters are already at the impact | | site and see debris and bodies; they | | are escorted off by the Army.] | | Col. Blanchard "goes on leave" from | | the base, but he actually leaves to | | visit the debris field. | | Material has been brought from the | | debris field and loaded onto a C-54; | | this 2nd flight out is flown by Capt.| | Pappy Henderson to Wright Field. | J. Bond Johnson, of the | 3rd flight out, a B-29, carries | Fort Worth Star-Telegram, | Marcel to Fort Worth Army Air Field. | is told to go to Fort | A few wrapped packages [of debris] | Worth Army Air Field to | are also on the plane. | cover a flying disk story. | | Late | Clean-up continues at the crash | Marcel arrives in Fort afternoon | sites. | Worth and confers with Gen. | Brazel is flown back to the base, | Ramey; at some point | then leaves and is located by Walt | remnants of a balloon are | Whitmore, Sr., of radio station KGFL,| substituted for the real | who interviews him about the find. | debris. | Blanchard visits the debris field | A press conference is held | and impact site with his staff. | in Ramey's office; Johnson | A 2nd flight from Washington, DC, | photographs Marcel and | arrives at the base; Rickett gives | Ramey with the balloon | the crew a sealed box filled with | remnants; W/O Irving | debris; the plane returns shortly to | Newton identifies the | Washington (4th flight out). | material as a balloon with | The Roswell Daily Record carries | a radar target device | "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer" story. | attached. | | Ramey issues a statement | | claiming that the Roswell | | officers were fooled and | | that the material was from | | a weather balloon. | | Early | Sgt. Melvin Brown looks under a tarp | 6:17pm Memo from FBI Dallas evening | on the back of a truck at the impact | office to SAC regarding | site and sees several alien-looking | weather balloon cover | bodies. | story. | Glenn Dennis, a local mortician, is | Ramey gives an interview | intrigued by several inquiries from | on Fort Worth radio station | the base about tissue preservation | WBAP about the weather | and the smallest caskets he has | balloon cover story. | available. | | Truck carrying the bodies arrives at | | the base. | | A preliminary autopsy is attempted at| | the base hospital by pathologist Dr. | | Jesse Johnson, Jr. | | Dennis tries to visit the base | | hospital but is turned away forcibly;| | a nurse friend warns him to leave | | before he gets in trouble. | | [8:30pm] Barnett returns home to | | Socorro. | | | Night | Capt. John Martin, Sgt. Brown, and | | other MPs guard a crate containing | | the bodies that has been placed | | inside an empty hangar. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Wed. 7/9 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Early | Troops continue clean-up at the crash| morning | sites. | | At the base, three C-54's begin to be| | loaded with crates filled with debris| | (8:00am). | | [Senator Dennis Chavez calls Walt | | Whitmore Sr. to warn him against | | broadcasting an interview with | | Brazel; a representative of the FCC | | threatens to pull his broadcast | | license.] | | | Mid- | Officers from the base locate Brazel | morning | (who had stayed with Whitmore) and | | return him to the base for | | questioning. | | | Late | Brazel is taken by the military to | morning | the office of the Roswell Daily | | Record, where he gives a revised, | | sanitized version of the story. | | [A special secret service envoy | | representing President Truman arrives| | from Washington (3rd flight in.)] | | | Noon | The crate with bodies is moved from | | the hangar to Bomb Pit Number One. | | [Floyd Proctor, Lyman Strickland, | | and others observe Brazel in town | | escorted by soldiers.] | | | Early | Officers from the base visit | General Schulgen requests afternoon | newspaper and radio offices in town | FBI cooperation in solving | and recover all copies of Haut's | the flying disk problem. | original press release. | The War Department tells | Brazel is taken to radio station | the FBI that the disks | KGFL, where he gives a revised | do not belong to the | version of his story. | Army or Navy. | | Late | Three fully loaded C-54's (5th-7th | afternoon | Flights out) carry debris to Los | | Alamos, NM, via Kirtland Field. | | 4:00pm. The crate from Bomb Pit | | Number One is transferred to a B-29 | | and flown (8th Flight out) to Fort | | Worth. | 5:00pm. Ball of light | The Roswell Daily Record carries a | deposits odd metal on | sanitized version of Barzel's story. | ground near Midland, MI. | | Early | | 6:00pm. Officers and a evening | | mortician in Fort Worth | | meet the incoming B-29 | | from Roswell; the flight | | crew returns to Roswell | | with Marcel. | | Late | 8:00pm. Marcel arrives back in | 11:30pm. Constable in evening | Roswell (4th Flight in). | Grand Falls, Newfoundland, | | observes 4 flying disks. --- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.10 [NR] * Origin: *** Odyssey UFO Echo *** Cullman, Al 1-205-739-1469 (1:3607/20.0) @PATH: 3607/20 363/29 363/81 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- (3499) Sun 13 Sep 92 17:49 By: John Powell To: All Re: Roswell Timeline, 3/3 St: <3498 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- @PID: QE 2.75+ ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Thu. 7/10 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | Clean-up continues at the crash | [A flight from Wright Field | sites. | arrives in Fort Worth and | Brazel continues to be interrogated | returns to Wright Field | and held at a guest house on the | with more debris and a | base. | large, metallic container | [Remaining debris confiscated from | on board.] | Sheriff Wilcox by military | FBI memo, Fitch to Ladd. | personnel.] | Aborted V-2 launch at | | White Sands. | | [General Twining stops at | | White Sands before return- | | ing to Wright Field.] | | President Truman derides | | flying disk stories. | | 4:00pm. TWA representative | | sees flying disk at Harmon | | Field, Newfoundland. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Fri. 7/11 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | MPs and others involved in the | | retreival are debriefed and told to | | forget that it happened. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Sat. 7/12 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | Bill Brazel Jr. returns to his | 6:30pm. Flying disk follows | father's ranch; no evidence of a | a C-47 at Elmendorf Field, | military presence remains. | Alaska. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Late July | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | July 15 - Mac Brazel returns to his | | ranch from the Roswell base after his| 7/20- Silver-white disk | interrogation. | moving at great speed | | reported near Cumberland, | | MD. | | 7/26- National Security | | Act passes, which | | coordinates the Army, Navy, | | and Air Force into a single | | national military | | establishment under the | | Secretary of Defense. The | | Army Air Force becomes | | the U.S. Air Force. | | 7/30- The first Air Force | | "estimate" of the nature | | of the flying disks is | | drafted by Gen. Schulgen's | | staff. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- August '47| | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | Mac Brazel and Tommy Tyree spot a | 8/19- FBI memo, Fitch to | piece of debris in a sinkhole near | Ladd. | the debris field. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Sept. '47 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | Prof. Lincoln LaPaz, secretly charged| 9/5- Gen. Schulgen tells | with reconstructing the object's | the FBI that the disks do | trajectory, arrives from Washington | not belong to the Air | and rediscovers the area of black- | Force. | ened ground with Rickett. | 9/23- Gen. Twining calls | | for an official invest- | | igation of the flying | | disks. | | 9/24- Alleged memo from | | Truman to Forrestal, | | establishing Operation | | Majestic Twelve. Vannevar | | Bush meets with Truman. | | 9/25- FBI memo, Ladd to | | Hoover, advising that FBI | | discontinue flying disk | | investigations. | | 9/26- Sidney Souers named | | head of new National | | Security Council, which | | holds its first meeting. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Oct. '47 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | | 10/1- Truman letter to | | Vannevar Bush, the sig- | | nature of which matches | | the MJ-12 memo of 9/24. | | 10/28- Schulgen issues a | | draft collection memo- | | randum that outlines the | | essential elements of | | information required to | | analyze flying disk | | reports. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Sep. '48 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | LaPaz tells Rickett that he is still | | convinced the Roswell debris was an | | unoccupied probe from another world. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- Summer '49| | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | The gouge is still visible at the | | debris field. | | Mac Brazel, having found various | | scraps of debris for the past two | | years, mentions in Corona that he | | still has the material. The next day| | a Capt. Armstrong and three others | | from the base confiscate the pieces. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- 1978 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | | Pappy Henderson confides | | to a close friend that he | | had flown wreckage from | | a crashed saucer to Wright | | Field; he still has a | | fragment of the debris. | | Marcel, located by | | researcher Stan Friedman, | | says he is sure the debris | | was nothing from earth. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- 1980 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | | In Search Of interviews | | Marcel, who says he is | | sure the Roswell debris | | was nothing from earth. | | Charles Berlitz and William | | L. Moore publish their | | report on the case, The | | Roswell Incident. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- 1982 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | | Pappy Henderson tells his | | wife Sappho about his role | | in the recovery. ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- 1988 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | Oct.- An Air Force pickup truck is | | seen on the Foster Ranch; the driver | | asks ranch hand Jim Parker if the | | Roswell crash site is nearby. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- 1989 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | Sept. 15-19 The Center for UFO | | Studies conducts an expedition to | | the debris field. | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- 1991 | | ----------|--------------------------------------|--------------------------- | | July- Kevin Randle and | | Donald Schmitt's account | | of the case, UFO Crash | | at Roswell, is published | | by Avon Books. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.10 [NR] * Origin: *** Odyssey UFO Echo *** Cullman, Al 1-205-739-1469 (1:3607/20.0) *** End of file *** Don -- <*> Don Allen <*> 1:363/81.1 - Fidonet #1 - Homebody BBS dona@bilver.uucp - Internet 1:363/29.8 - Fidonet #2 - Gourmet Delight 88:4205/1.1 - MUFON Network 1:3607/20.2 -- Odyssey - Alabama UFO Net NSA grep food: Aviary, Ed Dames, Los Alamos - Majestic - Jason - RIIA - UN Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a4445 From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: INVASION!!! Message-ID: <15130@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 15 Sep 92 08:37:46 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 4 I suggest you have yourself checked over for radiation poisoning. If you check out okay and there's no case of food poisoning then I would start sewing myself a fancy, skintight, lycra suit. You might need it. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!wupost!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a4445 From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! Message-ID: <15131@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 15 Sep 92 08:46:04 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 4 One form of clone research that's effective: clones,if they are not born in utero, do not have navels. In years of unobtrusive inspection I've found two. One had two navels--an obvious attempt (botched) to pass for human, and one had no navel. They're alive, intelligent and sometimes lazy. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a4445 From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light II Message-ID: <15132@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 15 Sep 92 08:59:45 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 8 These family of light beings and the Pleiadians seem like very round about long-winded talkers who have read too many new age books. Why are we always being told how to run our lives by beings not even on this planet? these Pleadians also talk about being duped and being careful of who we watch for from the skies. Why should we believe even the Pleiadians then? Personally, I think it is better to take control of your own life instead of letting anyone or any alien lead you around by the nose. I've seen too many people do that and then blame everyone else for their problems. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!yarra!pta!sphinx!usage!syacus!steven From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFO/alien themes in ads Message-ID: <1992Sep14.234344.22436@syacus.acus.oz.au> Date: 14 Sep 92 23:43:44 GMT References: Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney Lines: 18 krowell@agora.rain.com (Keith Rowell) writes: : I'm trying to catalog the use of UFO/alien themes in : advertisements, especially in nationally distributed ads : in the print or electronic media. Well, how about the crop circles cover of the last Led Zeppelin compilation album :) ? Also, here in Sydney, Oz, we had the NRMA (National Roads & Motorists Assoc- iation) ad that featured some guy in a ute ('pickup truck') having bright lights shone at him from a hovering ufo, and the dialogue saying something about their record of paying out 99% of insurance claims, and the other 1% you wouldn't believe. (Or something like that). Steve Malikoff. steven@syacus.acus.oz.au Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!caen!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!lfoard From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: The aliens have landed Message-ID: <1992Sep15.121216.17718@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia. References: <43795@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <11vng2d.rickg@netcom.com> <43866@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:12:16 GMT Lines: 9 And all film and video cameras in the area have mysteriously stopped working. :-) -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11808 alt.alien.visitors:9406 sci.skeptic:31033 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65905@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:30:51 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <87806@netnews.upenn.edu> <65194@cup.portal.com><65284@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep7.015736.21418@u.washington.edu> <65410@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> <65736@cup.portal.com> Lines: 14 Dear One and All; It's good to hear that Jeff is back after looking at the sky. I have been ask if my previous lives have always been on the cutting edge and the answer is no they haven't. That is one way you can usually tell whether your past life reading is true or not. If your told by the other person that you were some great person all the time then the information is usually just to get your money and make you feel good. I did spend a lifetime as a hillbilly from the south part of the USA and came to Calif. looking for gold. Myself and a psychic lady in San Jose, Calif. (now) came to Body, Calif. and Poker Flats near Oroville, Calif. looking for gold. We didn't find much and didn't accomplish much in that lifetime. I did make trips into these areas and appeared to remember them. So now you know about 2 of my past lives. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11809 alt.alien.visitors:9407 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65906@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:38:01 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <65780@cup.portal.com> Lines: 2 Dear Suggesters: I'll have to admit your suggestions have merit. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!convex!convex!swarren From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! Sender: usenet@news.eng.convex.com (news access account) Message-ID: <1992Sep15.161021.15694@news.eng.convex.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:10:21 GMT References: <15131@mindlink.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: magnum.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 31 In article <15131@mindlink.bc.ca> Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) writes: >One form of clone research that's effective: clones,if they are not born in >utero, do not have navels. In years of unobtrusive inspection I've found two. >One had two navels--an obvious attempt (botched) to pass for human,and one had >no navel. They're alive, intelligent and sometimes lazy. This is an interesting theory. What evidence do you have that any human has been succesfully cloned? Supposing it was possible, what mechanism are you proposing for nourishing the growing infant sans umbilical cord and placenta (all of which are tissue that is created by the embryo as it grows)? You realise, don't you, that a clone embryo would be indistinguishable from any other embryo, and would produce its own umbilical cord and placenta, just like any other embryo? Also, what makes you say that a clone is not human? There are naturally existing clones everywhere. We call them identical twins. There is no practical difference between clones and identical twins; it just happens that clones (if they existed) would have an age difference between the identical twins. They would still be individuals with their own thoughts and their own lives, and just as human as the person that their genes were copied from. It sounds like you've been watching too many cheap Sci-Fi flicks. -- _. --Steve ._||__ Welcome to the World's First GaAs Supercomputer Warren v\ *| ----------------------------------------------- V Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!att-out!pacbell.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!est.enet.dec.com!randolph From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Siriusly.... Message-ID: <1992Sep14.161234.25965@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: 14 Sep 92 16:04:41 GMT References: <1992Sep8.145206.7999@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 77 In article , chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari) writes... > They knew that sirius b was a small and heavy star > , that it revolved around Sirius A every fifty years in an elliptical > orbit ,and that it rotates on it's axis.... > > So how could men with no instruments at their disposal could know the > movements and certain characteristics of stars which are totally invisible > to the naked eye???? > > What is this BAD ASTRONOMICAL DATA of which you speak??? > > R.H. Below is a brief report on the Dogon/Sirius affair which I wrote several years ago. It is, I'm afraid, a prime example of an author exploiting the public's ignorance of astronomy and history. See the last two paragraphs for the "bad data". If it's true that the Dogons claim a third star in the Sirius system, then it proves rather conclusively that they were fed the information by some explorer before the antroplogists got to them. ***** Begin report ***** I did an hour's research on the Dogon mystery last night (not as big a deal as it sounds, I have a pretty decent collection of astronomy books and periodicals at home), I learned quite a bit. This may get a little long... Apparently the originator of the mystery is Robert K.Temple in the 1975 book, "The Sirius Mystery". He says that the Dogon have a traditional belief in Sirius B, which claim that it's made of a material called "sagala" (translation: "strong") "so heavy that all earthly beings combined cannot lift it". The Dogon also accept the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and are aware of the 4 Galilean moons of Jupiter and Saturn's rings. As in the previous reply, this was all discovered in the 1930s, when the Dogon were anthropologically investigated. Ok, so what did western civilization know about these things by 1930? Sirius B was discovered in 1862 (not 1962) by Alvan Clark as he was testing the new lens he'd made for Dearborn Observatory's 18 1/2 inch refracting telescope. He at first thought he'd found a defect in the lens, but he finally realized he'd discovered the companion star that had been suspected since 1844. From 1834 to 1844 F.W.Bessel had noticed a wavy irregularity in the motion of Sirius against the background stars, and had concluded that it had an invisible companion. The orbit of the proposed compainion had been calculated in 1851 by C.H.F.Peters. By 1910 astronomers began to realize that there were a class of stars, eventually called white dwarfs, which were very small and dim, yet very massive, which meant they had to be incredibly dense. In 1915 the first spectrum of Sirius B was obtained by W.Adams at Mt.Wilson, which is all that would have been needed to classify it as a white dwarf. However, I couldn't find any information on when it was indeed realized that Sirius B was a white dwarf. Saturn's rings and Jupiter's Galilean moons had been known since the invention of the telescope. By 1930 four more of Jupiter's moons had been discovered, however, the fifth was found as late as 1892 by E.E.Barnard, and the rest followed as photography came into use as an astronomical tool around the turn of the century. As for a third star, Phillip Fox reported in 1920 that the image of Sirius B had appeared to be double, using the same 18 1/2 inch refractor with which Clark discovered B. R.T.Innes in S.Africa and van den Bos, a renowned double-star observer, also reported the 3rd star. I should note here that these were visual studies, and the object in question is at the very limit of what can be observed with a telescope. In 1973 a study by I.W.Lindenblad at the U.S.Naval Observatory concluded that there is no astrometric (measurement of irregularities of motion against the background, probably on photographs) evidence for a 3rd star. My conclusions: Nothing extraordinary need be invoked to account for the Dogon's knowledge. Someone probably gave the Dogons the information, probably after 1920. I admit there are inconsistencies: anyone astronomically knowledgeable enough to know about Sirius B would most likely have known about the additional moons of Jupiter, but then again, so would any hypothetical visitors from beyond. Also, why did the Dogons claim that this was part of their traditions? By the way, I could not confirm the Dogons knowledge of a 3rd star. This is unfortunate, as it would prove beyond doubt that they were given all this information by someone, as the modern study showed no such star. -Tom R. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11810 alt.alien.visitors:9410 sci.skeptic:31043 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!uars_mag!roelle From: roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle) Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light II Message-ID: Sender: news@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Johns Hopkins University References: <65832@cup.portal.com> Date: 15 Sep 92 16:33:31 GMT Lines: 115 Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes: >Here is the Issue 14 Connecting Link Magazine Pleiadian article. The >following article was channeled by Barbara Marciniak onto audio tape and >transcribed into an article for the magazine. DS >A Conversation With The Pleiadians >The Saga of the Family of Light II >It is time for all of you to redefine in a much greater sense your own >identity. Events are transpiring in the cosmos that you and many of your >political leaders have no idea of. You must stop this foolishness about >your definitions of gods. You must stop this foolishness of thinking that >there are beings who come from the skies to your planet with special >talents and abilities and that they all are spiritually connected. You are >going to discover as a species some very disturbing ideas over the next >number of years; perhaps it will be not for fifteen or twenty years. ^^^^^ ^^^^^ Or Whatever. Are these Earth years or Pleiad years? > .......... You must be >much more discerning about what and who is going to come from the skies >because you are going to be duped and you are going to be tricked and you >are not going to understand it. >We see this because we know how easy it is to dupe you and to trick you. >Sometimes we do it to you to move you along. We have said this to you. We >have been very tricky with you. If we told you the whole story, many of you >would have turned tail and run a long time ago... And therefore we should believe you. How do we know this is not another of your tricks? >You have been given, in historical terms, names of beings and names and >colors of rays and it has all been so much hocus-pocus that you do not even >get a true picture of what is going on in the cosmos. You keep calling all >of these beings gods, and you have a completely convoluted view. Gee thanks. That paragraph really helped clear things up. >QUESTION: So, these highly evolved, mental beings are disconnected from >their spiritual center and are not members of Light? >PLEIADIANS: .............................................................. >years ago, the movie "V" was shown upon your planet to give you some idea >of the cunning and the conniving of certain entities who will come from >space that some will indeed worship and think they are absolutely powerful >masters. Then there was also the TV show LOST IN SPACE? Was that about you guys? >QUESTION: In a sense then, Light are the destroyers. We destroy the old in >order to create this new world. So we can't really take a passive role. >PLEIADIANS: Of course, you do not. You take an incredibly active role. ... >Yes, you are destroyers. You are definitely destroyers. You destroy systems >where the Dark Team prevails, where ignorance prevails. Light Team -- Dark Team. Invoking another movie plot, STAR WARS? >QUESTION: What is the most effective way that we can deal with these >energies? If we engage them on their level then we are just going to their >level. >PLEIADIANS: .... >You use your feeling center. You feel these things out and you allow. You >have your wits about you to not want to go out with sticks and stones and >bows and arrows that you made from your backyard and attack Masters of the >Universe. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ Now we're talking cartoons. > You allow each person to have their drama. You understand >impeccably that you create your own experience. Even if it seems as if a >two mile ship is going to land on top of your house... ala CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND. >This article was excerpted from the tape entitled "The Saga of the Family >of Light II. " For further enlightenment on this topic, the two-tape set is >available. No thanks, I'd rather just wait for the movie. It comes out after "Saga I". >The Pleiadians are a collective of extraterrestrials from the star system >the Pleiades. The Pleiadian culture is ancient and was "seeded" from >another universe of love long before Earth was created. Wait. The Pleiades cluster consists mostly of hot type B giants. Alcyone, the dominant Pleiade is ten times more massive than the sun and 1000 times brighter. The estimated age of the Pleiades is 20 Mega years. Earth orbits a type M star believed to be some 4.5 Giga years old, or 200 times older than the Pleaides. How far back does the F.O.L. influence go back on earth? > They have formed a >tremendous society which operates with love, with ideas and ideals that we >are yet unfamiliar with. The Pleiadians call themselves our ancient family >because many of us came here from the Pleiades to participate in the new >experiment of Earth. The Pleiadians are here as ambassadors from another ^^^^^^^ >universe to help Earth through her transition from the third dimension to ^^^^^^^^ >the fourth dimension and to assist each of us in our personal endeavors of >awakening, remembering and knowing. This (deep voice) OTHER UNIVERSE is mentioned from time to time but little or no infomation about it is given. Details, please? C.W. Roelle Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!uwm.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!ub!niktow!bittle From: bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: VCR alert: Unsolved Mysteries - 16Sep92 Summary: Unsolved Mysteries... Message-ID: <1372@niktow.canisius.edu> Date: 15 Sep 92 16:33:49 GMT References: <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com> Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208 Lines: 7 In article <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com>, alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones) writes: > I'm pretty sure I heard on a commercial last night that the season premier > of "Unsolved Mysteries" will be on this Wednesday, 16Sep92, and will include I can confirm this.. I saw the commerical too, and it looks to be a real interesting show. I am definately going to tape it.. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!cee1 From: cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory? Message-ID: <1992Sep15.172750.8014@ra.msstate.edu> Date: 15 Sep 92 17:27:50 GMT References: <7269.716314244@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 7 Yeah.. maybe not angels... but demons -- +--------------------+-----------------------+------------------------+ | Charles E. Evans | cee1@ra.msstate.edu | All things are green | | iDLE CHATTEr | cee1@MSSTATE.BITNET | unless they are not. | +--------------------+-----------------------+------------------------+ Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9413 alt.conspiracy:18354 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Winstollman. Acid AND Lithium ! Keywords: Group criticism Message-ID: <1992Sep15.190822.21014@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 15 Sep 92 19:08:22 GMT References: <1992Sep10.131602.8141@sunova.ssc.gov> <1992Sep11.125240.24962@ntb.ch> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 31 In article <1992Sep11.125240.24962@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: > (In reply to "Inquiring minds want to know!") Rocko writes: >>A) People that have had contact. (rarely post... obvious reasons) >>B) Government paid disinformation people. (Poor to fair fiction) >>C) Questioning/Inquiring minds (post weak questions, but mean well) >>D) Wanderers (Just passing through, make snide remarks if any) >>E) A few who think aliens are out there but haven't/won't come here. >>F) A few who think aliens are with us now but have had no contact. >>G) Aliens (Grey, life sucking, invaders of utopia) >>H) Guys like me that just can't unsubscribe from this group. It's >> just too much fun. Life looks darker and things aren't very clear. >> (guess this belongs in alt.consp....) But when all else falls >> through pull up a.a.v. and smile. Someone is always a little worse >> off than you are and here is one sure fired place to find one. > My addition: > > J) People who believe that theirs is "the true way" > and who want to help the rest of the world by > posting long accounts which they consider relevant, > or by quoting from "A Course In Miracles". Yeah, but what happened to 'I'? IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!! RA rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu -------------------------- The NSA is now funding research not only in cryptography, but in all areas of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new research opportunities, just pick up your phone, call your mother, and ask for one. Xref: icaen alt.paranormal:5805 alt.conspiracy:18355 alt.alien.visitors:9414 alt.mindcontrol:271 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!chaos!random.ccs.northeastern.edu!rogue From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol Subject: Re: Matrix III Review Message-ID: <1992Sep15.193852.21152@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: 15 Sep 92 19:38:52 GMT References: <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> <1992Sep13.162929.21643@ecst.csuchico.edu> Sender: news@random.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU Lines: 17 In article <1992Sep13.162929.21643@ecst.csuchico.edu> BTAYLOR@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU (Beverly Taylor) writes: [...] >I SECOND THAT! MY TRUTH (AND I EMPHASIZE "MY TRUTH") IS THAT WE CREATE >OUR OWN REALITY. Beverly - I sorta wish your reality included lowercase letters. All this shouting is annoying. RA rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu -------------------------- The NSA is now funding research not only in cryptography, but in all areas of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new research opportunities, just pick up your phone, call your mother, and ask for one. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9415 sci.skeptic:31058 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!gatech!rutgers!psuvax1!psuvm!sml108 From: SML108@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: U.N. may offer answers to outer space messages Message-ID: <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 15 Sep 92 21:29:03 GMT Organization: Penn State University Lines: 45 or Hey maybe that Don Allen guy is on to something :-).... by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92 UNITED NATIONS--After more than 30 years of listening to radio waves from outer space for greetings from an alien civilization, scientists are planning to turn to the United Nations for guidance on how to answer. Dozens of times, scientists have picked up radio waves matching the expected signature of a message from space. But these have not been confirmed as genuine contacts because they were fleeting and unverifiable. With new NASA equipment joining the search next month, radio astronomers believe they will ultimately be able to confirm that a future transmission is a sign from a distant planet. Radio astronomers and engineers involved in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, commonly called SETI, this month began consulting with their colleagues in all scientific disciplines for suggestions on what the reply to aliens should be. After sifting and winnowing their own ideas, the scientists plan to seek a decision from the U.N. General Assembly's Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space. "The basic thinking all along is that this decision ought to be put into the hands of the United Nations," said John Billingham, head of the SETI project at NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif. In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according to scientists familiar with the document. "We have always considered this not just a U.S. question, but an international question." Billingham said. "Everybody, in some way or another, should be involved in it." [ Officials at the U.S. State Department, speaking on condition of anonymity, say they are leaving this initiative to the scientists. The space scientists plan to refine their ideas at international meetings in April and October 1993. The 53-nation Committee of the Peaceful Uses of Outer Sapce has in the past drafted five intermational treaties on the peaceful uses of outer space, and three internationally accepted declarations of legal principles. The scientists would have to find a sponsor nationa to bring their ideas before the U.N. committee. Then, Billingham said, the committee could accept wide-ranging testimony from scientists, historians, philosophers and political delegates to shape Earth's reply to a message from another planet. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!caen!destroyer!ubc-cs!mprgate.mpr.ca!mprgate.mpr.ca!spani From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani) Subject: Okay - who writes the "Ernie" comic? Message-ID: <1992Sep15.221423.17417@mprgate.mpr.ca> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Sender: news@mprgate.mpr.ca Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 22:14:23 GMT Lines: 66 In one of our Vancouver Newspapers ("The Province") there is a comic strip called "Ernie". The writer(s) of "Ernie" have been on a UFO/abduction theme for the last couple weeks. I sort of got the impression that the writer knows a little about UFology because of a few "in jokes" about mindscan and Mr. Ed, The aliens (who abducted one of the characters in the strip) are little guys with big black eyes, no hair, no nose (at least compared to the other characters ;^) etc. I am pretty sure now that the writer of "Ernie" is an alt.alien.visitors reader because of the strip from a few days ago. My ASCII drawing is too poor to make the attempt, but I'll give you the captions: Pane 1: man introduces little alien to woman W - "He's mighty wierd" M - "That's because he's not human" Pane 2: alien looks around - man and woman discuss alien W - "Not Human?!" - "He's not a person" - "Homo Sapien?" - "Mesch-lich?" M - "Nope" - "No" - "Uh-Uh" - "No Way" Pane 3: man is leaving - talking in the doorway. M - "I'm leaving him here tonight..." - "See you tomorrow" Pane 4: "Comes the dawn..." (at top of pane) man is in doorway, woman in kitchen. M - "How was he?" W - "TERRIFIC!" - "Tasted like chicken" "Hey folks, just kidding!" (at bottom of pane) So come on - own up - which one of you writes this strip? ;^) Leonard. P.S. sorry for the quasi-copyright infringement, but I figured it was so pathetic noone would mind :^) -- *********************************************************************** | Leonard E. Spani | //!?\\ | (disclaimer-p) | | spani@mprgate.mpr.ca | \\?!// | t | *****************-<( "everybody thinks I'm paranoid" )>-*************** Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11812 alt.alien.visitors:9417 sci.skeptic:31066 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65942@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:48:05 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Jun5.011013.1412@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Lines: 21 Subject: UFOs in the Bible. To me the Bible is one of the best UFO books that there is. My opinion is also shared by a top theologian who wrote the book The Bible and Flying Saucers. This man's name is Dr Barry Downing. Here are some of the points that he makes; the prophet Elijah's ascent into heaven aboard a fiery chariot, Exekiel's vision-in reality a description of a space ship about to land. The parting of the Red Sea by Moses. It was really caused by a UFO using an anti-gravitational beam, Jesus' dramatic rise into heaven. He was beamed up by a UFO." The Star of Betlehem was a UFO. The men followed the star till it came to rest over the place where the child was. But stars don't move in this manner, nor do they move and then suddenly stop. Downing insists his theories don't conflict with conventional religion, however. It establishes scienfific plausibility for the biblical field, It should actually reinforce our faith. Well how about that space fans? Information Source: Sept.15, 1992 Examiner, page 46. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: The Sedona Experience... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:23:03 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 81 In case you don't know where Sedona is, it's located in the North of Ari- zona, about 30 miles directly south of Flagstaff, and west of the main hyway 17. It is a metaphysical center for pshycics, healers, channelers, etc. For thousands of years, the Verde valley was a sacred home of ancient native americans that dissappered a few hundred years ago, but the modern apache and other tribes still inhabit the wilderness areas in the area, and have many sacred sites in the area they go to work thier medicine. Sedona is the area that many pshycics claim there are electrical and magnetic vortexes. Even some renown MIT grads and other scientific types have written books on the electric/magnetic quality of the red rock formations in the area. Incase you have never seen pictures, I assure you it is a wonder of the world to see the vast red-rock mountains formed by iron-rich mineral formations that literally rusted for thousands of years oxidising the mountains as they formed, causing the mountains to act as giant capacitors (I'm not kidding). Anyway, this is what many attribute for the regular, and various UFO's that are sighted in the area. My father, a school teacher his entire life, recently retired in an area close to a place called Fossile Creek. It is situated in the Fossile Creek wilderness area of NE AZ. His good friend would tell him of experiences and show him pictures of UFO sightings in the canyon there, while vacationing in the area. The blue lights would travel leasurely thru the canyons, as if avoiding flying high enough for surounding towns to see. This was years ago my father was exposed to this. And it helped to ignite my interest years later. Well, I finally visited the place last week. Very remote, at least 10 miles from the next small village, and down in a huge canyon, with a small hydroelectric station, and small cottages for the utility workers to use. My fathers friend told him that the lights were seen EVERY night, about 15 years ago, and so he finally had his camera waiting after 2 or 3 nights of this stuff... I visited in the day, but I do plan to go back and camp there next year. Anyway, back to Sedona, which is about an hours drive from Fossile Creek, I was at a place called Bell Rock. It is a famous place, and if you go to Sedona, like about 6 million other tourists did last year, you will find it on post cards and posters, etc. throuogh out the town. It is one of the famous vortex areas there. It is supposed to be a Male electrical vortex, and I'm not sure what that means (i need to read up) it has something to do with the polarity of the electrical energy there. It is supposed to amplify what ever emotions you are feeling good, or bad. So while in the area, my lady and I were trying to think good things. I was ther in the day on Thurs. and saw a black helicopter fly over... I said to Wendy, who does not understand such things, " what color is that helicopter?" She was busy, and didn't really care about a helicopter, but humored me, "Black". She has much better vision than I do, and I trust her basic observation skills better than my own. It looked black to me, but I didn't tell her that until later... I asked her if she saw any emblems or markings on it (It flew low and fast overhead). She said she did not notice any. I have read books on Sedona that commented on covert government activity there, and had pictures of black helicopters at the local airport there. It looked just like what was in the picture I had seen. A friend who knows the area told me last night, after I was back in CA, "if you hike on one side of Bell Rock, they come by in helicopters and tell you to get off the mountain." This I had not read before or known of. We slept on Bell Rock the last night we were in Sedona, and it was a great experience. There are large, flat rock shelves that make great perches for sleeping bags, and you don't have to have a tent, because you are up above the desert floor where most of the snakes and rodents live. the pshycics in town, and the book "the Sedona Guide Book", a channeled work, tell of this area, on the east side of Bell Rock, overlooking what is called CourtHouse butte is the sight of an intergallactic space port. If you are in tune spiritually, you may be allowed to glimps red lights above or moving thru this area at night with your inner vision, (I guess this means they might not be photographable?). Wendy woke up at 3 am and heard the wolves howling at the full moon, and at sunrise, I can only begin to descibe the joy of knowing nature in such a beautiful place. the books on the area attribute the UFO presence there to the benevolent space brothers, and talk of a permanently stationed mother ship above Bell Rock. they also say that it is an interdimensional portal, and that the vast energy available above Bell Rock is used to recharge the ships. More in my next post... Jeff- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: Bookstores and excellent books Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:55:29 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: Distribution: world Lines: 80 I came across some excellent reading, and wanted to pass some of the sources and titles on to fellow netters while in Sedona, AZ. this is a great place to find UFO/metaphysical/leading-edge political information as the place is just teaming with openminded people of various interests and tends to get things several months before I see them here in CA. there is a new book out, C.R. 1992 called "The conspirators Hierarchy: the Committee of 300". Now I have read in another publication that it is published by America West Publishers, but before you make a judgement on it, take a few things into account. the second edition that I have is stated to be published by Joseph Publishing, a division of Joseph Holding Corp. Anyway, it is not a channeled book, and it is not similar to most of the stuff that AW is putting out as far as the cover/binding, etc. It is written by Dr.John Coleman, and is supposed to be one of many books he has written. Perhaps M. Corbin could tell us more about him? Anyway, it is very intriuging in its accounts of CIA/Naval INtel drug running efforts in ev ery detail. It lists the ultimate plans and desires of a one world government by the "Olympians" and is very well researched to say the least. I do find myself wondering about who the author really is. It gets a little Birchy in places, when he talks of right to life issues, and atomic enerygy, but for the most part, does seen to be a very informative book into the workings of the secret government, the way that they fund their secret black programs etc. I find this to be very relevant to the UFO issue, since M. Lind emann has stated that he believes every year, more and more money is siphoned off of legitimate, congressionally funded programs into black projects, and that is one reason Bush virtually refuses to cut the defense budget or curtail intelligence activities in the face of the disbandanment of the KGB... Another very interesting book, along the same lines, details the innerworkings of the Federal Researve bank, and lets us know in no uncertain terms the vast debacle that has taken place in this country regarding the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. It states that most of the deficit interst incurred by americans is payed to the Fed on money that costs them nothing to but the cost to print it. While I am sure that this is oversimplified, it does make a very good case and is written by Dr. Herbert G. Dorsey III, and is called "the Secret History of the New World Order". It also details the Committee of 300, and the plot of international bankers to manipulate wars, and depressions such that the assest of most of the world may be siezed and the people of the world made virtual slaves; a return to surfdom. In the bibliography, the above book "committe of 300" is listed as a source. A third book that I found very interesting is the Secret Space Program, by the same herbert G. Dorsey III. this is published by the Secret information network, out of Ojai, CA. It goes into the existance of secret NASA programe that have hidden the existance of anti-gravity propulsion, and atomic powered spacecraft for decades. It talks of the usual moon/mars bases and all that stuff. I have not read it yet, but it is C.R. 1992, and does promise some more current info than might otherwise be available. Much of what the above book talks about has been written about in other works. Perhaps none as infamous as "Alternative 3". I have a copy of this book, and if you are intersted, I will tell you how to get one yourself, since I understand that some people have been looking for it for years and never got it: East-West books, Menlo Park, CA 415- 325-5709 In the alternative 3 book, there is a great body of evidence, if only some of it is circumstantial, that these are facts that have been kept from us just as the UFO story has been. If fact, it could be the main reason that the truth behind extraterrestrial visitation is a secret... If anyone is intersted in the crystal skull story, there is a great book at a bookstore I found in Sedona, the Eye of the Vortex bookshop. 602- 282-5614 It is called something like "the Mysteries of the Crystal Skulls" and has a separate chapter on all of the different crystal skulls that have popped up over the years. Hope some of you find this information compelling or valuable. Jeff- Xref: icaen alt.paranormal:5811 alt.conspiracy:18362 alt.alien.visitors:9420 alt.mindcontrol:272 Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!sal.wisc.edu!rat!cindy!BTAYLOR From: Beverly Taylor Subject: Re: Matrix III Review Message-ID: <1992Sep16.024109.15620@ecst.csuchico.edu> Sender: news@ecst.csuchico.edu (no news is good news) Nntp-Posting-Host: mlibe-mac3.csuchico.edu Organization: California State University, Chico References: <1992Sep11.182734.6003@lmt.mn.org> <1992Sep15.193852.21152@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:41:09 GMT Lines: 18 In article <1992Sep15.193852.21152@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Free Radical, rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu writes: >>I SECOND THAT! MY TRUTH (AND I EMPHASIZE "MY TRUTH") IS THAT WE CREATE >>OUR OWN REALITY. > >Beverly - I sorta wish your reality included lowercase letters. All >this shouting is annoying. > > RA > >rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu RA -- My apologies. I did not mean to shout. I'm still learning the etiquette on usenet. I realize that now that capitals denote an emphasis that I was not intending to make. I was trying to make my response readable after all the other text. Patience, I'm learning. -- Bev Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11814 alt.alien.visitors:9421 sci.skeptic:31078 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!gatech!purdue!yuma!lamar!arsmith From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: Date: 16 Sep 92 06:21:17 GMT References: <65633@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep13.164902.25689@rosevax.rosemount.com> <65841@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 15 In article <65841@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: [storms, Hawaii, and Mother nature deleted.] > In regards to someone trying to communicate with me >by telepathy and me showing up to them astrally, this gets a little >scary because I'm going to appear as a ghost. If you haven't seen >a ghost and especially if you don't believe in ghost in the first >and last place, this can scare you out of your wits. A person should >just be in a passive mood (put your mind in neutral) and I'll come >through and give a message and two pictures. If anyone was curious, that someone is me. I wrote up the proposal for an experiment some time back (a coupla days). Anyway, at 10:00 11:00, or 12:00, depending on how I figure out the time zones, John's gonna send me his picture. We hope. (And several people wish I would figure out how to use vi) I suppose I should mention that the experiment will take place wednesday. Am I starting to write like John? Big Al. Looking for the gearshift lever on his brain... Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11815 alt.alien.visitors:9422 sci.skeptic:31079 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!carina.unm.edu!cary From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 06:21:09 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque References: <65633@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep13.164902.25689@rosevax.rosemount.com> <65841@cup.portal.com> Lines: 24 In article <65841@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: >Good Morning Earthlings: [stuff deleted] >It seems we have a problem with one of our Astral Train members in >Hawaii. Communications are down due to the storm and D. is worried >about E. who lives in Hawaii. Does anyone know went communications >will be restored? Are you telling us that hurricanes block astral communication and/or travel? I'm very disappointed John. Ithlial My opinions, mine, mine, mine! The only good Troll is a dead Troll Collary: Trolls regenerate - There are no dead Trolls Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lynx!carina.unm.edu!cary From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) Subject: Re: Siriusly.... Message-ID: <#a1nthp@lynx.unm.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 06:45:39 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque References: <1992Sep8.145206.7999@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <1992Sep14.161234.25965@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Lines: 29 In article <1992Sep14.161234.25965@ryn.mro4.dec.com> randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) writes: > >In article , chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us >(Nick Molinari) writes... >> They knew that sirius b was a small and heavy star >> , that it revolved around Sirius A every fifty years in an elliptical >> orbit ,and that it rotates on it's axis.... >> >> So how could men with no instruments at their disposal could know the >> movements and certain characteristics of stars which are totally invisible >> to the naked eye???? > >***** Begin report ***** >I did an hour's research on the Dogon mystery last night (not as big a deal as >it sounds, I have a pretty decent collection of astronomy books and periodicals >at home), I learned quite a bit. This may get a little long... > >Apparently the originator of the mystery is Robert K.Temple in the 1975 book, >"The Sirius Mystery". He says that the Dogon have a traditional belief in Sirius >B, which claim that it's made of a material called "sagala" (translation: >"strong") "so heavy that all earthly beings combined cannot lift it". The Dogon >also accept the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and are aware of >the 4 Galilean moons of Jupiter and Saturn's rings. Another decent source of info on this subject (and basic observatioanal astronomy in general) is _Burnham's_Celestial_Handbook_ vol 1. Ithlial Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11817 alt.alien.visitors:9424 sci.skeptic:31082 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!world!kibo From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) Subject: Re: July 4, 1993 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 06:52:11 GMT Lines: 10 [] In hundreds of articles various people write: > [stuff that will happen on July 4, 1992] I don't really have anything to say about last July. I just wanted to change the Subject: line to 1993, so that perhaps this thread can survive another year. Have a nice day. -- K. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11819 alt.alien.visitors:9425 sci.skeptic:31092 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <65976@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 06:26:02 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1992Sep10.120616.8787@vax.oxford.ac.uk> <65699@cup.portal.com> <65736@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep12.213223.15751@nntp.hut.fi> Lines: 11 Dear People: I'd love to stop this astral train but it's snowballing and I refuse to stop it and spoil so many peoples fun. We now have more people getting on this train. Big Al it's good that you spoke up. I'll be coming by to communicate with you just before 1100 Pacific Daylight Savings Time. I'll do the same with Len and also come by and give Kumar an astral jump start. E. is OK in Hawaii and D. will be also ready to go. Walter will go if we can get in high enough frequency. We'll be visiting the celestrial city just above the Gobie Desert in China. It's a nice place you'll like it. Just have fun. Be like the shoe commercial, just do it. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <65977@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 06:29:25 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <61006@cup.portal.com> <65869@cup.portal.com> Lines: 3 Dear Ones: It's Wednesday morning and all is well. Hope all of you are likewise. John Winston. Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11820 alt.alien.visitors:9427 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <65978@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 06:32:24 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <65780@cup.portal.com> <65906@cup.portal.com> Lines: 3 Dear People: It's all quite on the western front. Hope you are all well. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!rickg From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) Subject: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 15:36:12 GMT Organization: Netcom - SF Bay, Earth References: <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 14 In article <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92 > [ ... ] > In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, >one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf >of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according >to scientists familiar with the document. Mikhail Gorbachev. -- Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!udel!louie!dvss!bhole!root From: root@bhole.UUCP Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: INVASION!!! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:02:39 EDT Lines: 29 Re: INVASION!!! By: garys #0 @netcom.com (Gary Stollman) USEnet > Well, I just found out something from Joan today that happened while she > was visiting her niece in San Bernadino a few months ago. It turns out > that there was a store a few blocks away from her niece's apartment, which > had two phones where she called me from at my dad's store. She said when > she called the store, the phone next to her started ringing, just like I > have had happen to me when I called her and our pharmacy from other > places. The only difference is that when she came back to call me the > next day, the place was GONE!! All boarded up and the two pay phones were > ripped out of the wall!! She said there was NOTHING to indicate that the > place was going out of business, but it doesn't surprise me in the least, > cause that is part of what has been happening around me these last ten > years. Is this the clone of Joan or the real Joan? All these Joans..... Mark dvss!bhole!root@udel.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Well 9 out of 10 Gods surveyed, dispute the existence of athiests. | | Further, 76%; chose to decry the practice of agnostisism. To quote | | one respondent. "It is hard enough being omnipotent, without the | | need to go about being manifest as well." -- William Mason | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mcsun!fuug!funic!polaris!sara.cc.utu.fi!shanwang From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: *_-_*_UFO_in_Alps_*_-_* Message-ID: <1992Sep16.190926.1@sara.cc.utu.fi> Date: 16 Sep 92 16:45:38 GMT Sender: news@polaris.utu.fi (Usenet News admin) Organization: University of Turku, Finland Lines: 27 Helleo, folks We've enjoied a nice tour in Alps. Last night we come back by train and have a big sleep until we waked up at 4:30 AM in the morning. I look at the darkness outside the window. Suddenly I find a slight light spot floting about in the sky. It's about 300m away from the train. It keep the same speed and flying without any noise. I taked out my camera to shoot a few pictures. Later I asked my friends to have a look on that UFO. But just in that very instant it disappear in a unbelieveable speed. Fortunatlt I already get some negatives in my camera so that it's hopeful to win that bet. Hmmm ... all those sleeping friends and flamed at me and didn't believe it !!! It's Okay for me so I bet 40 SEK with them. Cause the train it's still in Sweden and we will use those money for breakfast ... Our train is leading to south. Both two side are snowing cliff. The Snow cover the bare stone and soil, make the sence pretty beautiful and everybody enjoy it ... BTW, the temperature will be continuly hot for a few weeks so we do enjoy a sunny tour this time. And I will take that 40 SEK after I have processed teh film 8-) Ha, nice to talk with everyone here. Have a nice day !!! Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!mahendo!eddie!julie From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: <1992Sep16.163538.21805@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA References: <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 16:35:38 GMT Lines: 24 In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >In article <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > >>by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92 >> [ ... ] >> In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, >>one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf >>of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according >>to scientists familiar with the document. > >Mikhail Gorbachev. *Blech* I'm sure the Lithuanians would really like him to be their spokesman. Choose someone who wasn't such a complete party hack (*any* party) like Gorby. Read something that isn't written by Gorby-maniacs and you may change your mind. Julie #include "std_disclaimer.h" #include "witty_sig.h" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!pilchuck!fnx!sgihbtn!tbiggs From: tbiggs@sierra.com (Todd Biggs) Subject: FOIA Addresses Message-ID: <1992Sep16.003404.22367@sierra.com> Sender: news@sierra.com Nntp-Posting-Host: alyeska Organization: Sierra Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:34:04 GMT Lines: 10 I'm trying to put together a list of Freedom of Information Act addresses for different countries around the world. I'm interested in addresses for the any of the various agencies within the following countries ( U.S., U.K., Austraila ). Also if anybody out there knows how/where to request information from the United Nations I would greatly appreciate it. Todd tbiggs@sierra.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!rickg From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 17:40:57 GMT Organization: Netcom - SF Bay, Earth References: <1992Sep16.163538.21805@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 21 In article <1992Sep16.163538.21805@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> Julie Kangas writes: >In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>Mikhail Gorbachev. > >*Blech* > >I'm sure the Lithuanians would really like him to be their spokesman. I suppose this means you won't vote for Gorby: fair enough, there's room for opposing points of view here. As you didn't make another nomination, I'll add: Walter Cronkite. >Julie -- Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11821 alt.alien.visitors:9435 sci.skeptic:31107 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!wkretz From: wkretz@nyx.cs.du.edu (William Kretz) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <1992Sep16.181421.2471@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <65736@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep12.213223.15751@nntp.hut.fi> <65976@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 18:14:21 GMT Lines: 6 I really can't wait to see the results of this experiment. It is something I have been waiting to see for a long time. Most people I know refuse to do any kind of magickal thing for demonstrative purposes. Later, Bill Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!sdd.hp.com!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 18:22:42 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1992Sep16.163538.21805@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> Lines: 17 In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: > >I suppose this means you won't vote for Gorby: fair enough, there's >room for opposing points of view here. As you didn't make another >nomination, I'll add: > >Walter Cronkite. > how about someone that is not a CIA spokesperson, and would like to expose the secret government(s) for what it is? Bill Moyers. Jeff- Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11822 alt.alien.visitors:9437 sci.skeptic:31109 Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!gumby!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 18:27:58 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <65736@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep12.213223.15751@nntp.hut.fi> <65976@cup.portal.com> Lines: 24 In article <65976@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes: >Dear People: I'd love to stop this astral train but it's snowballing >and I refuse to stop it and spoil so many peoples fun. We now have >more people getting on this train. Big Al it's good that you spoke up. >I'll be coming by to communicate with you just before 1100 Pacific >Daylight Savings Time. I'll do the same with Len and also come by and >give Kumar an astral jump start. E. is OK in Hawaii and D. will be >also ready to go. Walter will go if we can get in high enough frequency. >We'll be visiting the celestrial city just above the Gobie Desert in >China. It's a nice place you'll like it. Just have fun. Be like the shoe >commercial, just do it. >John Winston. Hi John, so how about a step by step to catch this train? I remember you said something like "when you go to bed tonight..." so does that mean that you are tucked in by 11pm on Wens.? Anyway, I'm interested, and not quite sure how to go about it. I must be among others wondering the same... Jeff- PS - I always wanted to visit the astral city in china, what is the name? Shamballa? Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a4445 From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! Message-ID: <15183@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 16 Sep 92 19:10:17 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 7 AH! I've been found out. Are there any other type of flick than cheap sci-fi flicks. Truth is the clone theory was expounded by others but the research was fun. Actually if clones, besides natural ones--twins, existed--in humans, they would, of course be human, thinking, feeling beings. I don't believe there would be any difference. They would start out with the same characteristics as their parent but would then be colored by the environment they live in, therefore making them unique and different from the original. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!rsoft!mindlink!a4445 From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <15184@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: 16 Sep 92 19:26:49 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Distribution: world Lines: 6 Well, we all know the Examiner is a fine upstanding piece of unbiased reporting. That aside, it's true that one person's magic--miracles are another person's science. The idea is not implausible but I also wonder what those biblical writers really saw and if they were science fiction writers of the time. It could have been their fabrication of events to make them seem more mystical than a bunch of guys travelling to a barn where a baby was born. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!sml108 Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 15:43:50 EDT From: Message-ID: <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth References: <1992Sep16.163538.21805@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> Lines: 22 In article , jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) says: > >In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>>In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >> >>I suppose this means you won't vote for Gorby: fair enough, there's >>room for opposing points of view here. As you didn't make another >>nomination, I'll add: >> >>Walter Cronkite. >> > >how about someone that is not a CIA spokesperson, and would like to >expose the secret government(s) for what it is? > >Bill Moyers. How about someone who wasn't a master of propaganda for Lyndon Johnson and can talk about what's really important... Xaviera Hollander Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!news.service.uci.edu!chrisb From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus) Subject: Re: Bookstores and excellent books Nntp-Posting-Host: lynx.ps.uci.edu Message-ID: In-reply-to: jeffp@netcom.com's message of Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:55:29 GMT Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine Lines: 29 Distribution: world References: Date: 16 Sep 92 16:51:01 GMT In article jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes: Much of what the above book talks about has been written about in other works. Perhaps none as infamous as "Alternative 3". I have a copy of this book, and if you are intersted, I will tell you how to get one yourself, since I understand that some people have been looking for it for years and never got it: East-West books, Menlo Park, CA 415- 325-5709 In the alternative 3 book, there is a great body of evidence, if only some of it is circumstantial, that these are facts that have been kept from us just as the UFO story has been. If fact, it could be the main reason that the truth behind extraterrestrial visitation is a secret... -------------------------------------------- FYI, the current issue of the Fortean Times has an article on the _Alternative 3_ hoax and the people who pulled it off. Granted, I fall in the group of people who think that A3 is nothing more than a cool hoax, but it is still a good article. Of course, this is what The Con wants me to believe anyhow. :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Barrus - P.O. Box 5115 - Irvine - CA - 92714 - chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!ucsu!cubldr.colorado.edu!matthews_k From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu Subject: Re: VCR alert: Unsolved Mysteries - 16Sep92 Message-ID: <1992Sep16.134754.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> Lines: 18 Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder References: <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 20:47:54 GMT Lines: 18 In article <1992Sep14.130904.21349@csc.ti.com>, alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones) writes: > I'm pretty sure I heard on a commercial last night that the season premier > of "Unsolved Mysteries" will be on this Wednesday, 16Sep92, and will include > some footage of a UFO. Can anyone confirm/refute? > > --- > sincerely, > Alan Jones / Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX / email=alanj@dadd.ti.com > That's right. I saw the commercial while watching Quantum Leap last night. Says something like: "Exclusive home-video footage proves UFO's are for real!" Unfortunately as we all know, home-video coverage isn't going to prove anything to anyone whose mind is already made up. Sept 16th is the premiere date. Be there or be square... or should that be spherical, on this group? :-) Kellie M-S internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!bigboote.WPI.EDU!nntp!lightnin From: lightnin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Paraaaaaaaaade of Shoooooooooes) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Date: 16 Sep 92 17:13:24 Organization: DeityCo: Major and Minor Deities Placement Agency Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1992Sep16.163538.21805@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu In-reply-to: SML108@psuvm.psu.edu's message of 16 Sep 92 19:43:50 GMT In article <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes: In article , jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) says: > >In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>>In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >> >>I suppose this means you won't vote for Gorby: fair enough, there's >>room for opposing points of view here. As you didn't make another >>nomination, I'll add: >> >>Walter Cronkite. >> > >how about someone that is not a CIA spokesperson, and would like to >expose the secret government(s) for what it is? > >Bill Moyers. How about someone who wasn't a master of propaganda for Lyndon Johnson and can talk about what's really important... Xaviera Hollander How about someone rather generic and ordinary. Me. -lightnin /| Lightning: (n) A Force of Nature consisting of an electric discharge. / |_Virtual Enterprises, GmbH: Bureaucracy Inaction! /_ /======================================================================= / / |Up the long ladder, and down the short rope, |Email: / /_ |to Hell with King Billy, and God bless the Pope, |lightnin /_ / |if that doesn't do, we'll tear him in two, |@wpi.wpi.edu / / |and send him to Hell with his red, white, and blue.|__________________ / / | -Traditional Irish Children's Song / /=========================================================================== |/ "Dark is not one of my favorite colors." -Ralph, the All Purpose Animal. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!phage!pjm From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: Sender: news@phage.cshl.org Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs References: <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 21:30:20 GMT Lines: 32 In article <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >In article , jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) says: >> >>In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>>>In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>> >>>I suppose this means you won't vote for Gorby: fair enough, there's >>>room for opposing points of view here. As you didn't make another >>>nomination, I'll add: >>> >>>Walter Cronkite. >>> >> >>how about someone that is not a CIA spokesperson, and would like to >>expose the secret government(s) for what it is? >> >>Bill Moyers. > > How about someone who wasn't a master of propaganda for Lyndon Johnson >and can talk about what's really important... > >Xaviera Hollander > How about someone who understands the art of propaganda and can talk about what's really important The Little Fleshy One (Cicciolita sp?) -- -- Pat Monardo -- pjm@cshl.org Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!gossip.pyramid.com!olivea!spool.mu.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Bookstores and excellent books Message-ID: <341nja-.jeffp@netcom.com> Date: 16 Sep 92 23:04:15 GMT References: Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 35 In article chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus) writes: > > In the alternative 3 book, there is a great body of evidence, if only > some of it is circumstantial, that these are facts that have been ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > kept from us just as the UFO story has been. If fact, it could be the > main reason that the truth behind extraterrestrial visitation is a > secret... > >-------------------------------------------- > >FYI, the current issue of the Fortean Times has an article on the >_Alternative 3_ hoax and the people who pulled it off. Granted, I fall >in the group of people who think that A3 is nothing more than a cool >hoax, but it is still a good article. > >Of course, this is what The Con wants me to believe anyhow. :-) >-- Just so people don't tend to discount this without knowing more about it... the authors always (or soon after) did admit it was fiction based on facts, and the big question was always what is truth and what is fiction? Well, the really amazing thing was that the US government tried to suppress the book, and reacted to it being published, leading many to the belief that the authors had struck a nerve, and come very close the truth. this book has been an underground classic for quite some time, and has been very hard to find until now. I highly recommend it, and you will find that it is filled with factual information, and is great reading from a sci-fi point of view as well. Jeff- Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <66005@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 17:54:03 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <15184@mindlink.bc.ca> Lines: 11 Dear Everybody: Kebo it sounds good your suggestion about changing it to l993. Jeff all you have to do is go to sleep a little before 110 PM Calif. time and give yourself a presleep suggestion that when you go to sleep you'll allow the rest of the astral train group to come up and pick you up. I've suddenly got a mental block as to what the name of the city that is just above the Gobie Desert. Maybe it will come to me when we go there tonight. D and E usually have their own place that they go, probubly aboard some spaceship or something like that and that OK too. Bill your right anyone with any sense wouldn't do this sort of thing in public. John Winston. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!rhys From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: *_-_*_UFO_in_Alps_*_-_* Message-ID: <10311@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> Date: 17 Sep 92 01:25:04 GMT References: <1992Sep16.190926.1@sara.cc.utu.fi> Sender: news@cs.uq.oz.au Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au Lines: 25 In <1992Sep16.190926.1@sara.cc.utu.fi> shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi writes: > We've enjoied a nice tour in Alps. Last night we come back by train > and have a big sleep until we waked up at 4:30 AM in the morning. I > look at the darkness outside the window. Suddenly I find a slight > light spot floting about in the sky. It's about 300m away from the > train. It keep the same speed and flying without any noise. I taked Reflection of the moon or some other bright object on the train windows. > out my camera to shoot a few pictures. Later I asked my friends to > have a look on that UFO. But just in that very instant it disappear > in a unbelieveable speed. The train just turned a corner. :-) That's just my interpretation. Could be anything. It will be interesting to see what comes out on your photos, but keep reflections in mind. Cheers, Rhys. -- Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia. rhys@cs.uq.oz.au "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?" Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <66011@cup.portal.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 18:26:35 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <61006@cup.portal.com> Lines: 31 Subject: Ruins Of The 30,000 Year Old City. Part 8. So there we are coming out of the picnic area felling too pooped to pop and we had a few more miles to go. We started up an old road that was made by the US Army many years before. It was a dirt road and very rough. The Army had attempted to put in some water toweres and other things up in the spooky area. The men saw many strange lights and one night a large trailer was just turned upside dwon for no apparent reason. The project was then stopped. As we were walking along R. brought out a pretty black rock from out of his backpack. He said it was called Aztec tear. The Aztec Indians believed there have been times when there have been swarms of rocks coming to earth that were going about 15,000 or more miles per hour. These would come in without much warnig and would kill many people. The Aztecs remember it as being the Day of Mouring. The last time this happened was about 5,000 years ago. R. mentioned something about there being a place over in Eangland or Irland that was made so a person coulld take shelter at a moments notice in case this should happen. He also pointed out holes in the rocky areas that looked like they had been hit by artillary shells. According to him the holes had been made by these rocks (like meteorites) coming in and hitting the rock areas. After getting up the old Army road we got to an old abandoned Boy Scout Camp. All that was left is a cleared off area. While we were resting R. told us the following story; I once came in contact with a regular american type person who claimed to be part of a group that was from the Pleiades. R. is from the Pleiades also although he and this person he was talking about were born to regular earth parents. R. was shown some home movie videos taken by this person. In these videos that were taken R. was shown certain scenes. The first was showing this person (we'll call him George) while he was piloting a circular winged disk flying saucer. This craft was made on Earth by earth people. End Part 8. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au From: u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg) Subject: Re: Saga of the Family of Light II Message-ID: <1992Sep17.031435.943@newsroom.utas.edu.au> Sender: news@newsroom.utas.edu.au Organization: University of Tasmania References: <65832@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 03:14:35 GMT Lines: 27 In article , roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle) writes: > >Here is the Issue 14 Connecting Link Magazine Pleiadian article. The > >following article was channeled by Barbara Marciniak onto audio tape and > >transcribed into an article for the magazine. DS > > >A Conversation With The Pleiadians > > >The Saga of the Family of Light II > > >It is time for all of you to redefine in a much greater sense your own > >identity. Events are transpiring in the cosmos that you and many of your > >political leaders have no idea of.... etc etc. I really had a good laugh at C.W.Roelle's commentary on this alleged communication. And he's right. It does sound somewhat crazy! But just to make sure, does anyone know more about this communication? And what is all this about us worshipping them? That was millenia ago! Since then Strieber and others have shot at them, the South Africans have and I think other nations as well have shot down at least one UFO each, and if I were an alien I wouldnt even think of being worshipped by a puny race on the verge of blowing itself up anyway! Regards, Chris Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!andromeda.rutgers.edu!mccabe From: mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Unsolved Mysteries UFO story Message-ID: Date: 17 Sep 92 03:59:48 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 33 Just some thoughts on the Unsolved Mysteries UFO segment: Of the two home videos that were shown, the first does seem to suggest one complete rigid structure. The second looked like it could be the pranksters flying their planes in very close formation. It's really too bad none of the individuals who claimed a very close sighting did not have a video camera. They all basically reported the UFO to be a V type shape, making no noise, and very large. One of the eyewitnesses was an IBM employee, who said that it was only a stones throw away. I had hoped he would have described the detail of the ship's surface more, but he pretty much stuck to describing the lights, and the size. For those of you who missed the episode, the video that showed a UFO looked roughly (from memory) like the below light pattern: ** ** * ** * * * ** The object seemed to be slowly moving to the left of the screen, and seemed to be fairly long and large. There was a big gap in the middle of the object where no lights seemed to be shining, but all lights seemed to be moving in sync with one another. I think the lights in the front were flashing on/off , but I'm not sure. At one point in the video tape, the UFO seemed to changed positions because the pattern of lights seem to change, and become more detailed. Chris. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,soc.rights.alien Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!wupost!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ucla-cs!lanai.cs.ucla.edu!pierce From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) Subject: alt.out-of-body Message-ID: <1992Sep17.044300.26514@cs.ucla.edu> Originator: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: lanai.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department References: <1992Sep15.183929.4387@gnosys.svle.ma.us> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 04:43:00 GMT Lines: 85 I'm skeptical about the subject matter of the newsgroup described below, but it sounds as if it might be of interest to some regular "alt.alien.visitors" participants: ---------- FORWARDED ARTICLE --------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.oobe From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) Subject: Welcome to alt.out-of-body! Message-ID: <1992Sep15.183929.4387@gnosys.svle.ma.us> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:39:29 GMT On behalf of those who took part in the recent vote which established "alt.out-of-body" as the name of choice for the discussion of out-of- body experiences, I'd like to welcome those who may have just seen the message from their news system announcing the creation of this news- group. While I don't have time at present to write anything like a formal charter for the newsgroup, and I'm sure I'm not the right person any- way (I conducted the vote and issued the control message which estab- lished the newsgroup), I'd like to at least say what the newsgroup is for, since you may be wondering. "Out-of-body" experiences are reported by some people who have a sense of having visual and (sometimes, I think) auditory experiences from a perspective other than that of seeing through their physical eyes or hearing through their physical ears. There is a sense of being in a body - of the same size and shape as the physical body, but that body is not of a fleshly nature. In fact, often the experience starts with an experience of seeing one's own physical body from a short distance away, and feeling some connection to that body (the literature on the subject talks, in fact, about there being a kind of umbilical cord connection, with the attachment being at the back of the head of the non-physical body). Those who have the experience (I am not one, BTW) report being able to exercise a degree of control over this non-corporeal body, being able to reach out and touch things, or to reach through physical objects, yet to feel substantial objects with a sense of touch. There is often also control in the sense of being able to move from one place to another, often with the sense of flying, but also in some cases with a sense of being able to just will oneself to a place of one's choosing without having to cover the intervening distance. It seems that typically, an out-of-body experience is achieved from a sleeping state, but some reports indicate that it is possible to go into the state directly from waking consciousness, leaving the physical consciousness in a trance-like state, I would assume. >From recent postings to the alt.oobe newsgroup, which has existed since 22 July, when I hastily created it without giving much thought to the issue of whether that name would be a good one, there may be techniques that one who has not spontaneously had the experience can learn and practice which can help one to achieve the experience. I expect that a good deal of the discussion, at least initially, will be on this topic. Personally, I am interested in gaining a better understanding of what such experiences might have to tell us about ourselves, and what kinds of creatures we are, rather than merely looking at this phenomenon as something akin to a sport like scuba-diving or hang-gliding. :-) I would hope that at least some participants in the discussion might be interested in a more systematic exploration of the subject, including an examination of the world's literature for references to such phenomena, and that we might attempt to look for some common understandings of what we either learn about in an academic way or in a direct experiential manner. I hope that we can compile a bibliography on the subject, and that we might even conduct some discussions of particular books and articles. In any event, I'd like to welcome all the newcomers to alt.out-of-body, and to repeat the suggestion I made recently in the still-extant alt.oobe (which will be phased out once alt.out-of-body is securely established throughout net-land) that all articles sent to alt.out-of-body be cross- posted to alt.oobe during this transitional period, which will probably last several weeks at least. I'll be looking forward to getting to know some new people, and that we might even get some understandings which help us all to see ourselves as "new people," in a sense. Gary -- Gary S. Trujillo gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us Somerville, Massachusetts {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst -------------- END OF FORWARDED ARTICLE ---------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!ethome.et.iupui.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!harvey From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: <1992Sep16.235116.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> Lines: 36 Sender: usenet@ethome.et.iupui.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Purdue University, Indianapolis References: <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 16 Sep 92 23:51:16 -0500 In article , pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes: > In article <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >>In article , jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) says: >>> >>>In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>>>>In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>>> >>>>I suppose this means you won't vote for Gorby: fair enough, there's >>>>room for opposing points of view here. As you didn't make another >>>>nomination, I'll add: >>>> >>>>Walter Cronkite. >>>> >>> >>>how about someone that is not a CIA spokesperson, and would like to >>>expose the secret government(s) for what it is? >>> >>>Bill Moyers. >> >> How about someone who wasn't a master of propaganda for Lyndon Johnson >>and can talk about what's really important... >> >>Xaviera Hollander >> > > How about someone who understands the art of propaganda > and can talk about what's really important > > The Little Fleshy One (Cicciolita sp?) Someone is going to suggest this sooner or later, so it might as well be me: The Great Leader, Kibo -- James Harvey harvey@iupui.edu uucp: iugate!harvey bitnet: harvey@indyvax Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!ousrvr.oulu.fi!tko.vtt.fi!dah From: dah@tko.vtt.fi (David Harwood) Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: <1992Sep17.070422.263@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@ousrvr.oulu.fi Organization: VTT References: <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 07:04:22 GMT Lines: 2 I nominate Cyrus Vance. (Can't think of any other well-known gov't official I have much respect for. He works for the UN now anyway.) Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9454 soc.culture.china:62463 soc.culture.taiwan:29713 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!pipex!unipalm!uknet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!polaris!polaris!polaris!sara.cc.utu.fi!shanwang From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan Subject: *_-_*_UFO_in_Alps_*_-_* Message-ID: <1992Sep17.101334.1@sara.cc.utu.fi> Date: 17 Sep 92 07:26:55 GMT Sender: news@polaris.utu.fi (Usenet News admin) Organization: University of Turku, Finland Lines: 30 Helleo, folks We've enjoied a nice tour in Alps. Last night we come back by train and have a big sleep until we waked up at 4:30 AM in the morning. I look at the darkness outside the window. Suddenly I find a slight light spot floting about in the sky. It's about 300m away from the train. It keep the same speed and flying without any noise. I taked out my camera to shoot a few pictures. Later I asked my friends to have a look on that UFO. But just in that very instant it disappear in a unbelieveable speed. Fortunatlt I already get some negatives in my camera so that it's hopeful to win that bet. Hmmm ... all those sleeping friends all flamed at me and didn't believe it !!! It's Okay for me so I bet 40 US$ with them. Cause the train it's still in Sweden and we will use those money for breakfast ... Our train is leading to south. Both two side are snowing cliff. The Snow cover the bare stone and soil, make the sence pretty beautiful and everybody enjoy it ... BTW, the temperature will be continuly hot for a few weeks so we do enjoy a sunny tour this time. And I will take that 40 US$ after I have processed the film 8-) Ha, nice to talk with everyone here. Have a nice day !!! IMHO, I am learning how to process film now 8-) Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9455 alt.conspiracy:18382 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!chx400!sparccvo!news From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Subject: Re: Winstollman. Acid AND Lithium ! Message-ID: <1992Sep17.081328.6570@ntb.ch> Keywords: Group criticism Sender: usenet@ntb.ch (usenet) Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs References: <1992Sep15.190822.21014@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 08:13:28 GMT Lines: 62 Quoting Free Radical: In article <1992Sep11.125240.24962@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes: > (In reply to "Inquiring minds want to know!") Rocko writes: >>A) People that have had contact. (rarely post... obvious reasons) >>B) Government paid disinformation people. (Poor to fair fiction) >>C) Questioning/Inquiring minds (post weak questions, but mean well) >>D) Wanderers (Just passing through, make snide remarks if any) >>E) A few who think aliens are out there but haven't/won't come here. >>F) A few who think aliens are with us now but have had no contact. >>G) Aliens (Grey, life sucking, invaders of utopia) >>H) Guys like me that just can't unsubscribe from this group. It's >> just too much fun. Life looks darker and things aren't very clear. >> (guess this belongs in alt.consp....) But when all else falls >> through pull up a.a.v. and smile. Someone is always a little worse >> off than you are and here is one sure fired place to find one. > My addition: > > J) People who believe that theirs is "the true way" > and who want to help the rest of the world by > posting long accounts which they consider relevant, > or by quoting from "A Course In Miracles". Paul. Yeah, but what happened to 'I'? IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!! RA - Where am I? Wheye's I missing? Well, I've thought up a couple of reasons: - I was just waiting to be asked - IÕs only for bright pupils - Get to the root of I, then you will ÒseeÓ - IÕs restricted to heyest security clearance: eyes only - is a cornya joke - IÕs too highbrow - I wanted to keep the lid on it - Gives everyone a chance to feel important (- I should be there too! - IÕs been left out!) - Only U and I know - ThereÕs no point with a capital I - IsÕre eyedentical twins and donÕt like to be eyesolated - I was closed - Yes, I ota have realised - I didnÕt want to get lashed - IÕs too con-see-ted - ThereÕs no Òred in aÓ Capitol I - I got jayded - I just didnÕt notice IÕd been left out - I got ostraceyesed - I doesnÕt share your view - I was left out in deference to Swiss (and some British) usage, when I appears in a list, on meyeght be confused with 1 -Hope you l-eye-ke some of Ôem. Paul. Paul Milsom milsom@ntb.ch Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!dcs.ed.ac.uk!clc From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: <44196@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Date: 17 Sep 92 08:39:44 GMT References: <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Sender: nnews@dcs.ed.ac.uk Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) Lines: 16 In article Pat Monardo writes: > In article <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: > >In article , jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) says: [ ... ] > How about someone who understands the art of propaganda > and can talk about what's really important > The Little Fleshy One (Cicciolita sp?) Are you talking of Cicciolina? No, I vote against. Do you really want them to think that the whole planet is like the Italian parliament? I nominate John Major (he's going to be looking for a job soon...) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!psinntp!isc-newsserver!ritvax.isc.rit.edu!LMJ4805 From: lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Re: Heavy Boots Message-ID: <1992Sep16.123416.1772@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Sender: news@ultb.isc.rit.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: lmj4805@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology References: <13285.716531482@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 12:34:16 GMT Lines: 19 >I'm sorry I don't remember the show but I DO remember some of the details. >There was a UFO sighting/following in Northern Europe near a US airbase >a few years back. An F-16 spotted a UFO and began to follow. The UFO >flew at around Mach 1.5, made a literal 90 degree towards the ground and >accelerated at Mach 5.0 (the G-Forces alone would kill any human and crush >any substance on Earth) straight towards the ground and literally "stopped >on a dime". Then F-16 then recording the object going Mach 15+ INSTANTLY >from a dead stop producing G-Forces which would be deathly. > >Whether or not this "defies" the laws of physics, I am not sure. But it DOES >sound rather astronomical. > >-D > does the f-16 have instrumentation that can measure instantaneous acceleration? to mach 15? or is the pilot capable of these conclusions whie riding around in his fighter? maybe it was on radar? any more info? lee Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!pipex!warwick!str-ccsun!dct.ac.uk!ccdarg From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: <1992Sep17.091539.354@dct.ac.uk> Date: 17 Sep 92 09:15:39 +0100 References: <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 13 In article , rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >> In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, >>one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf >>of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according >>to scientists familiar with the document. Dr Timothy Leary... -- Alan Greig Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK Tel: (0382) 308810 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <66041@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 06:18:07 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <15184@mindlink.bc.ca> <66005@cup.portal.com> Lines: 9 Dear Everybody: I just got back from the OOBE train with an idea. I had a very vivid dream about being caught by some flood waters in an area where my car was going to be covered by some rising flood waters and the situation was corrected by having the ability to transport the the car out of the area by matter projection. I believe that the ability to transport matter by a mechanical electrical device is in use on other planets and dimensions at the present time and is within our capability to produce here on Earth. How about them apples? John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!rickg From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) Subject: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 17:14:09 GMT Organization: Netcom - To Serve Man Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 50 Quite a few nominations for Earth Spokesman have come in, some in Email to me, some posted to this newsgroup. I would encourage readers to post nominations rather than send them to me, so that the process can be observed by all interested parties. To recap, the original incentive for the nominating process: In article <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92 > [ ... ] > In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, >one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf >of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according >to scientists familiar with the document. And the nominees to date: Mikhail Gorbachev Walter Cronkite Bill Moyers Xaviera Hollander lightnin@wpi.wpi.edu Leader Kibo Cyrus Vance Cicciolina Dr. Timothy Leary Mother Theresa Pierre Salinger Jesus of Nazareth Pele Stephen Hawking Margaret Thatcher Geoff Miller Gene Spafford Mel Gibson Carl Sagan Hilary Clinton Clearly, some of these nominations were made with irony, or at least humor, in mind. I have not dropped any nominations from the list, since the intent of the respondent is often ambiguous. Nominations will remain open until 00:00 GMT Monday, 20 September, 1992. -- Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!mahendo!eddie!julie From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: <1992Sep17.175947.10842@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA References: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 17:59:47 GMT Lines: 37 In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: > >Quite a few nominations for Earth Spokesman have come in, some in >Email to me, some posted to this newsgroup. I would encourage >readers to post nominations rather than send them to me, so that >the process can be observed by all interested parties. > >To recap, the original incentive for the nominating process: > >In article <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > >>by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92 >> [ ... ] >> In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, >>one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf >>of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according >>to scientists familiar with the document. > >And the nominees to date: > >Mikhail Gorbachev Well, I still say *Blech* and if you keep having Gorby on the list I'll just have to counter attack ;^) I nominate Boris Yeltsin. So there. Actually, on the more serious side, I don't think any one person should act as a spokesman. Why should we respond with "one voice" when we are so obviously *not*? (Do we really want homogenized world culture? This is what you would need to have in order to avoid tremendous squabblings over choosing *one* spokesman.) Julie #include "std_disclaimer.h" #include "witty_sig.h" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!well!well.sf.ca.us!tchilds From: tchilds@well.sf.ca.us (Timothy Childs) Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link References: <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Sep17.070422.263@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 17:51:35 GMT Lines: 5 In <1992Sep17.070422.263@ousrvr.oulu.fi> dah@tko.vtt.fi (David Harwood) writes: >I nominate Cyrus Vance. (Can't think of any other well-known >gov't official I have much respect for. He works for the UN now anyway.) Brian Eno and Peter Gabriel as Co-Spokesmen. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!news.cs.indiana.edu!lynx!apsicc.aps.edu!jim From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) Subject: Repeat of explanation Message-ID: <17SEP199213282278@apsicc.aps.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 20:28:00 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center Keywords: The infamous October 28th. News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 12 Hello all, I was wondering if someone out here may have and be able to repost the explanation for the fundamentalists Oct. 28th., claim. I, unfortunately, didn't save it at the time it appeared and it would help bolster my ar- guements to keep making plans for Thanksgiving. Thanks in Advance, Jim ====================================================================== We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty... Twain Internet: jim@apsicc.aps.edu Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager ====================================================================== Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uunet!mcsun!uknet!edcastle!dcs.ed.ac.uk!clc From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: <44250@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Date: 17 Sep 92 19:32:37 GMT References: Sender: nnews@dcs.ed.ac.uk Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) Lines: 12 In article Rick Gordon writes: > Quite a few nominations for Earth Spokesman have come in, some in > Email to me, some posted to this newsgroup. I would encourage > readers to post nominations rather than send them to me, so that > the process can be observed by all interested parties. [.. list deleted ..] what about... GaryJohn WinStollman? Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: FOIA Addresses Message-ID: Date: 17 Sep 92 19:34:34 GMT References: <1992Sep16.003404.22367@sierra.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 14 tbiggs@sierra.com (Todd Biggs) writes: I'm trying to put together a list of Freedom of Information Act addresses for different countries around the world. ... in the US, you write to the agency you want to reach, addressed to the "Freedom of Information Officer". A list of agencies is available from the US Government Printing Office (their order number is 202-783-3238) -- the "US Government Manual" (1991/92), price $23 (they take MC/Visa orders over the phone). They will also send you a catalog of all manuals/documents available from the USGPO for free -- order at the same number. Charles Xref: icaen sci.space:34600 alt.alien.visitors:9466 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!bionet!raven.alaska.edu!acad2.alaska.edu!asljl From: asljl@acad2.alaska.edu Newsgroups: sci.space,alt.alien.visitors Subject: The Federation is still here, problems answering. Message-ID: <1992Sep17.121152.1@acad2.alaska.edu> Date: 17 Sep 92 16:11:52 GMT Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Lines: 75 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad2.alaska.edu Path: acad2.alaska.edu!asljl From: asljl@acad2.alaska.edu Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Problems answering people from The Federation. Message-ID: <1992Sep15.111505.1@acad2.alaska.edu> Date: 15 Sep 92 11:15:05 AST Organization: University of Alaska Lines: 66 Path: acad2.alaska.edu!asljl From: asljl@acad2.alaska.edu Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: The Federation is still here Message-ID: <1992Aug11.155953.1@acad2.alaska.edu> Date: 11 Aug 92 15:59:53 AST Organization: University of Alaska Lines: 34 Path: acad2.alaska.edu!asljl From: asljl@acad2.alaska.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The Federation is still here Message-ID: <1992Aug11.155325.1@acad2.alaska.edu> Date: 11 Aug 92 15:53:25 AST Organization: University of Alaska Lines: 25 Hello All Yes, The Federation is still here, at the moment for those still interested, it is still here and still reachable. We still want to hear from people interested in it or new people interested in the Federation. For those of you who are new to the Federation ideas, this is what we are: We are a group of people who feel it is high time we got off this rock and started exploring the great unknown of space. We have drawn out in blue print form a drive system that is a a super semi conducting crystaline structure. It looks good on paper but we haven't been able to test it yet. As always the problem is money. The Federation has been working on a personal funds of the few members base at the moment. We do have a info packet that we will happy to give you. You must have a mac that has 5.0 microsoftword or better. Send us a 3.5 floppy and we will put it on there for you. send to this adrress The Federation C/O Lady Rhavyn Po box 231772 Anchorage, Alaska 99523-1772 If you have any questions feel free to send to this account. ASLJL@ACAD2.ALASKA.EDU ******************************************************************************** I have had a problem sending the small version of the Federation Manual overthe E - Mail system. It seems it does not like some the of the addressesI am using that people send me. Please be sure that you include in your E-mail request, your internet/bitnet E-mail address so that I have the correct address to send it to you. My problem has been that I have had to, on occassion take it off the beginning of your messages. Either I am not copying it down correctly or the computer is scrambled, or it does not like the address and so I get a message from the postmaster telling me it doesn't like that address. I do apologize to those of you who asked for the info and never received it. Please try again. Member of the Federation * May the Force be With You * Thank you Sincerely Lady Rhavyn Memeber of the Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!wupost!bcm!rice!uw-beaver!news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!news From: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: FAQ progress report Message-ID: <1992Sep17.183427.25343@raven.alaska.edu> Date: 17 Sep 92 18:34:27 GMT Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network Lines: 95 Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Hello everyone, as some of you know I am currently trying to put together a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) posting for this group. I would now like to give you an update on how its going and let you know what the FAQ will be covering. I am not organizing the FAQ in the standard "question asked, question answered" format I am doing it a format that i believe that will be useful to those who have been reading this group for quite some time now, and that will also answer questions that new people to this group will have. I believe that this FAQ when finished will be a good reference tool and will help point people in the direction to do more research on their own. Here are a list of items I hope to have covered for the first posting of the FAQ, and the status on has been researched so far. If you would like to help out with this FAQ, or have information to contribute, please contact me at this address. Bitnet: Fsdlk@alaska Internet: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu Here is what is being included in the FAQ: A description of what encounters of the 1st 2nd 3rd kind mean (Not covered yet) A description of Alien races discussed on this board MIB: (covered, and finished) Pleiadians: (currently being researched) Alien abductions what is said is occurring, where the information comes from, and the theories about these abductions. (I believe it is currently being researched) Different UFO Organizations, how they got started, what they research, what publications they put out, and where they can be reached. These groups are currently being researched: BUFORA MUFON NUFON SOBEPS and ICUR, the International Committee for UFO Research Intruders foundation Center for UFO Studies Contact UK. The Federation Cosmic Awareness Communications VUFORS ParaNet Known and acclaimed UFO researchers, What aspect they are researching, how they got interested and started in their research, publications or books they have published, and mail address where they can be reached. (Not covered yet) Active UFO sights and locations currently around the world, and what has been sighed there. (Not covered yet) Different UFO magazines, and a brief description of what type of information they have in them, and where you can send off to get it (Not covered yet) movies, documentaries and films about UFO's and a short description on them. (currently being researched) Different projects and some background info about them: Aurora Project / "deep black" projects: (covered, and finished) project bluebook: (Not covered yet) Roosevelt crash:(Not covered yet) MJ-12:(Not covered yet) Cropcircles: (Not covered yet) I have several books on order and as soon as they come in I hope to get a lot of the non-covered information covered. If you would like to contribute information or help out with the research, contact me. The areas that I could really use help in are the UFO Magazines, The UFO researchers, and the Active UFO sights. I'm not in a position or location that allows me to easily research these topics, So i would appreciate volunteer help in those areas. Bitnet: Fsdlk@alaska Internet: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ........... ....... . . . ~ ~ . . . Nasha tai no kasei! . . ~ ~ ... ....... . . ~ ~ . . Prosperity and Long Life, To You. ~ ~ .... xisting . hantom . . ~ ~ . . ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!news.centerline.com!noc.near.net!bigboote.WPI.EDU!nntp!lightnin From: lightnin@planet10.WPI.EDU (Paraaaaaaaaade of Shoooooooooes) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Date: 17 Sep 92 17:17:33 Organization: DeityCo: Major and Minor Deities Placement Agency Lines: 79 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu In-reply-to: rickg@netcom.com's message of 17 Sep 92 17:14:09 GMT First of all, the explanation: On 17 Sep 92 17:14:09 GMT, rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) said: RG> Quite a few nominations for Earth Spokesman have come in, some in RG> Email to me, some posted to this newsgroup. I would encourage RG> readers to post nominations rather than send them to me, so that RG> the process can be observed by all interested parties. RG> To recap, the original incentive for the nominating process: In article <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes: SML> by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92 [ ... ] In SML> a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, SML> one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on SML> behalf of all humanity, than than individual states sending a SML >response, according to scientists familiar with the document. Next the list: RG> And the nominees to date: RG> Mikhail Gorbachev, Walter Cronkite, Bill Moyers, Xaviera Hollander, RG> lightnin@wpi.wpi.edu, Leader Kibo, Cyrus Vance, Cicciolina, Dr. RG> Timothy Leary, Mother Theresa, Pierre Salinger, Jesus of Nazareth, RG> Pele, Stephen Hawking, Margaret Thatcher, Geoff Miller, Gene Spafford, RG> Mel Gibson, Carl Sagan, Hilary Clinton RG> Nominations will remain open until 00:00 GMT Monday, 20 September, RG> 1992. What happens after this? Do we vote? Then some words of wisdom: On Thu, 17 Sep 1992 17:59:47 GMT, julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) said: julie> Actually, on the more serious side, I don't think any one person julie> should act as a spokesman. Why should we respond with "one voice" julie> when we are so obviously *not*? (Do we really want homogenized julie> world culture? This is what you would need to have in order julie> to avoid tremendous squabblings over choosing *one* spokesman.) Despite being in the running, I have to say I quite agree with this. There is no way that any one person could speak for all mankind. However, as committees go, this isn't a bad one. I think just about every facet of humanity is represented here, and we would present a rather complete (if confusing) picture to any potential alien contacts. As for my reasons for nominating myself. I've always felt that in any thing as important as an alien contact, it shouldn't always be the world leaders and celebrities who get involved. Everyone should be represented. I simply volunteered as the guy to represent the average guy, ya know. Anyway, after 20 September, do the various nominees get to present thier case to the net? Will there be debates. That'd be cool. At the very least, I'd get to meet Sagan, Hawking, and Hollander. -lightnin ps: one more thing, how could Jesus of Nazareth be our spokesman, last I heard he was pretty enthusiastically dead. -lite /| Lightning: (n) A Force of Nature consisting of an electric discharge. / |_Virtual Enterprises, GmbH: Bureaucracy Inaction! /_ /======================================================================= / / |Up the long ladder, and down the short rope, |Email: / /_ |to Hell with King Billy, and God bless the Pope, |lightnin /_ / |if that doesn't do, we'll tear him in two, |@wpi.wpi.edu / / |and send him to Hell with his red, white, and blue.|__________________ / / | -Traditional Irish Children's Song / /=========================================================================== |/ "Dark is not one of my favorite colors." -Ralph, the All Purpose Animal. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!dtix!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!hela.iti.org!cs.widener.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!grip.cis.upenn.edu!jmv From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: <89400@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 17 Sep 92 20:01:17 GMT References: Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: GRASP Lab Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu In article , rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: > To recap, the original incentive for the nominating process: > > In article <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > > >by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92 > > [ ... ] > > In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, > >one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf > >of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according > >to scientists familiar with the document. > > And the nominees to date: [list deleted] The "Lord, forgive them, for they're not Xtians" Pope The Dalai "Yet another life" Lama Pee-Wee "Let me goof again" Herman. Robert "I'm not a good guy, but I play one on TV" Redford. Cindy "I won't talk, but I'll convince them" Crawford Richard "They don't know me" Nixon. JM. Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!olivea!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!jeffp From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: Date: 17 Sep 92 23:01:51 GMT References: Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 42 In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: > > >And the nominees to date: > >Mikhail Gorbachev >Walter Cronkite >Bill Moyers >Xaviera Hollander >lightnin@wpi.wpi.edu >Leader Kibo >Cyrus Vance >Cicciolina >Dr. Timothy Leary >Mother Theresa >Pierre Salinger >Jesus of Nazareth >Pele >Stephen Hawking >Margaret Thatcher >Geoff Miller >Gene Spafford >Mel Gibson >Carl Sagan >Hilary Clinton > > >Clearly, some of these nominations were made with irony, or at least >humor, in mind. I have not dropped any nominations from the list, since ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the intent of the respondent is often ambiguous. > >Nominations will remain open until 00:00 GMT Monday, 20 September, 1992. > Hey Rick, You dropped PeeWee! Have you got something against him as a world spokesperson? He could show them his excellent taste in videos! Jeff- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!gumby!destroyer!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!acs.ucalgary.ca!honte.uleth.ca!hg.uleth.ca!AN405_OHKUBO From: an405_ohkubo@hg.uleth.ca Subject: How are you? Message-ID: <1992Sep17.214125.26252@honte.uleth.ca> Sender: news@honte.uleth.ca (News System) Reply-To: an405_ohkubo@hg.uleth.ca Organization: University of Lethbridge Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 21:41:25 GMT Lines: 0 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!rickg From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 23:37:54 GMT Organization: Netcom - The Conscience of the Planet References: Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 16 In article Jeff Papineau writes: >Hey Rick, > >You dropped PeeWee! Have you got something against him as a world >spokesperson? He could show them his excellent taste in videos! Mr. Herman will appear on the next Update. He wasn't on the list you quoted because his nomination appeared *after* the Update was posted. >Jeff- -- Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!rickg From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 23:33:50 GMT Organization: Netcom - BILLions and BILLions Served Summary: Including a date correction References: Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 39 In article Paraaaaaaaaade of Shoooooooooes writes: >RG> Nominations will remain open until 00:00 GMT Monday, 20 September, >RG> 1992. CORRECTION: Monday is 21 September in 1992. >What happens after this? Do we vote? All the nominees will be brought to a central location TBD, and issued a sidearm of choice each. After a series of duels the lone survivor of the Tournament of Death will be named Spokesman of Earth. Just kidding. Yes, OF COURSE we will vote, young man, why do you think we're going through the bloody nomination process? We do need a volunteer to accept and count the votes, though. Anybody? >Anyway, after 20 September, do the various nominees get to present thier >case to the net? Will there be debates. That'd be cool. At the very >least, I'd get to meet Sagan, Hawking, and Hollander. As corrected above, it's 21 September as the deadline for nominations. In the following week nominees can make a case for their selection, or anyone wishing to represent a nominee can make a pitch. >-lightnin >ps: one more thing, how could Jesus of Nazareth be our spokesman, last I >heard he was pretty enthusiastically dead. As I said earlier, I have not removed any name from nomination, no matter how inappropriate, stupid, or dead. The integrity of the process is what's important here, not your evaluation or mine of who's dead and who isn't. -- Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Xref: icaen talk.religion.newage:11832 alt.alien.visitors:9475 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage Message-ID: <66075@cup.portal.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 17:55:59 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <64264@cup.portal.com> Lines: 34 Subject: The Portal. Part 1. Everytime I look at the name of the communication company that sends out the information from my computer (Portal) I think of a story that my Guru allowed me to read many years ago. In my training I was allowed to look at different material an judge it as to whether is was true, or if it was for me at that time. One of the articles was called Rainbow City. Even the people who wrote it didn't know whether it was true or not but here is how the story went: (these are my words to start out with). Maybe its that I have a ornery streak in my personality but I enjoy telling someone something that a person couldn't possibly believe and then proceed to prove to them without a doubt that it is true. OK hang on to your hat here comes the first fact that I'll prove to you without a doubt; The earth is hollow. You might say, "You will never prove that to me, never in a hundred, never in a thousand, never in a million years" (as the old song goes). Unless your the kind of person that wants to learn new information you might as well give up right now and go read your science book but due to the fact that your reading this information about UFOs you must have a little coriosity. Durig the life of Admiral Byrd (the arctic and anartic explorer) there was a time that he and his men were going to fly in a large airplane from one known point of the earth, then across the south pole (the one that is close to Austrlia) to another known point on the other side of the south pole. These two points were approximately 1,000 miles apart and they were flying in a modified tanker type multi-engined plane so they could have a tremendous range. After flying a few hundred miles they noticed that the landscape started to change. It was not longer snow and ice but started to be open lakes and then green grass covered land with animals running around. After traveling about 1,500 miles (their destination was only 1,000 miles away) they decided that they were never going to make it so they turned around and came back to their original starting point. This was all written up in a book about the Inner Earth. End Part 1. John Winston. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!munnari.oz.au!titan!hal!jbm From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy) Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: <1992Sep18.041649.14929@trl.oz.au> Sender: root@trl.oz.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia References: <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Sep17.091539.354@dct.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 04:16:49 GMT Lines: 9 >In article , rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >>> In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, >>>one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf >>>of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according >>>to scientists familiar with the document. La Cicciolina. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9477 alt.religion.kibology:3808 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!convex!news.oc.com!eff!world!kibo From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston References: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 05:14:03 GMT Lines: 34 In article rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: >Quite a few nominations for Earth Spokesman have come in, some in >Email to me, some posted to this newsgroup. >And the nominees to date: >[...] >Leader Kibo I proudly accept my nomination, on the grounds that it's my job to volunteer for this anyway, because I *am* President of the United States, or will be once I win the election in November and use my new powers to declare my term to apply retro-actively back to the moment of my birth. When I got to the chapter in "Cosmos" entitled "Who Speaks For Earth?" I sent Carl Sagan a postcard. He hasn't agreed to correct future editions with the new information, the weenie. >Nominations will remain open until 00:00 GMT Monday, 20 September, 1992. Other dates to watch for: October 28, 1992: The Rapture (as advertised by enormous adhesive-backed posters all over Boston, which will probably still be un-peel-off-able in 1998) July 5, 1998: X-Day, the day the Church of the Subgenius is revealed to be a joke, or not September 13, 1999: The Moon is torn out of Earth orbit by a massive nuclear explosion, starring Martin Landau, Barbara Bain, and Barry Morse, with funky white bellbottom uniforms and groovy disco theme music. -- K. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9478 alt.religion.kibology:3814 Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!soda.berkeley.edu!sfd From: sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Date: 18 Sep 1992 08:18:17 GMT Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems Lines: 14 Message-ID: <19c3c9INN89n@agate.berkeley.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu In article kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes: )September 13, 1999: The Moon is torn out of Earth orbit by a massive )nuclear explosion, starring Martin Landau, Barbara Bain, and Barry )Morse, with funky white bellbottom uniforms and groovy disco theme music. The Stark Fist of Proctology says: Using _Space:_1999_ references in vain in unacceptable, even for a net.messiah like The Kibinator. Please modify your behavior at once. Or suffer the lubricated wrath of the Fist. -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Scott Drellishak sfd@neuromancer.metaphor.com | | "Spumco ... the Danes call it quality." | \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day Message-ID: <66117@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 06:18:46 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <15184@mindlink.bc.ca> <66005@cup.portal.com> Lines: 5 Dear Everybody: That's an original idea from Colleen that the Bible was written by the Science Fiction writers of the time. It's a very deep subject. Maybe it was shepards and unlearned people explaining things in the only way they knew. John Winston. Xref: icaen alt.alien.visitors:9480 alt.religion.kibology:3817 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!wupost!uwm.edu!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!bgsuvax!andy.bgsu.edu!jkiley From: jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: Sender: usenet@andy.bgsu.edu (USENET) Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. References: <19c3c9INN89n@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 15:39:02 GMT Lines: 16 In article <19c3c9INN89n@agate.berkeley.edu>, sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) writes: |> In article kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes: |> )September 13, 1999: The Moon is torn out of Earth orbit by a massive |> )nuclear explosion, starring Martin Landau, Barbara Bain, and Barry |> )Morse, with funky white bellbottom uniforms and groovy disco theme music. |> |> The Stark Fist of Proctology says: Using _Space:_1999_ references in |> vain in unacceptable, even for a net.messiah like The Kibinator. |> Please modify your behavior at once. Or suffer the lubricated wrath |> of the Fist. Threatening Leader Kibo? Careful, you might get an annoyed lurker to post. JimBo Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!phage!pjm From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) Subject: Re: How are you? Message-ID: Sender: news@phage.cshl.org Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs References: <1992Sep17.214125.26252@honte.uleth.ca> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 16:29:33 GMT Lines: 5 wow, spooky! did you hear that? -- -- Pat Monardo -- pjm@cshl.org Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Heavy Boots Message-ID: Date: 18 Sep 92 16:54:45 GMT References: <13285.716531482@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 16 jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) writes: I'm sorry I don't remember the show but I DO remember some of the details. There was a UFO sighting/following in Northern Europe near a US airbase a few years back. An F-16 spotted a UFO and began to follow. ... this was over Belgium, and the show ("Unsolved Mysteries", I believe) played back a videotaping of the radar display from the chase plane (and yes, this can be done) the Belgians released (releasing this sort of thing is fairly unusual) showed essentially what you describe. Belgium, as you may recall, has (or at least had, until recently) been having a lot of sightings of the "triangular", or "boomerang" UFO. Charles Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!convex!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rutgers!igor.rutgers.edu!dropout.rutgers.edu!mcgrew From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: Date: 18 Sep 92 17:05:29 GMT References: Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 12 Here are some: John Romer (a fine historian, and well versed in human culture) James Burke (another, who is more technically oriented) William F. Buckley (he's weird, but he's very smart) (I would have suggested Issac Asimov, but he has unfortunately died.) ... I would nominate myself to be on the advisory committee for the spokesman, but I would not offer to do the job myself. Charles Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!ucsu!cubldr.colorado.edu!crago_l From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: <1992Sep18.144454.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 52 Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder References: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 21:44:54 GMT Lines: 52 In article , rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: > > Quite a few nominations for Earth Spokesman have come in, some in > Email to me, some posted to this newsgroup. I would encourage > readers to post nominations rather than send them to me, so that > the process can be observed by all interested parties. > > To recap, the original incentive for the nominating process: > > In article <92259.172903SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > >>by Peter James Spielman, assoicated press writer, 9/15/92 >> [ ... ] >> In a "white paper" now being circulated to space scientists worldwide, >>one key principle is that Earth should reply with one voice, on behalf >>of all humanity, than than individual states sending a response, according >>to scientists familiar with the document. > > And the nominees to date: > > Mikhail Gorbachev > Walter Cronkite > Bill Moyers > Xaviera Hollander > lightnin@wpi.wpi.edu > Leader Kibo > Cyrus Vance > Cicciolina > Dr. Timothy Leary > Mother Theresa > Pierre Salinger > Jesus of Nazareth > Pele > Stephen Hawking > Margaret Thatcher > Geoff Miller > Gene Spafford > Mel Gibson > Carl Sagan > Hilary Clinton > Jimmy Carter > > Clearly, some of these nominations were made with irony, or at least > humor, in mind. I have not dropped any nominations from the list, since > the intent of the respondent is often ambiguous. > > Nominations will remain open until 00:00 GMT Monday, 20 September, 1992. > > -- > Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly > rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!ucsu!cubldr.colorado.edu!crago_l From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth Update Message-ID: <1992Sep18.145626.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 42 Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder References: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 21:56:26 GMT Lines: 42 In article , rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes: > > Quite a few nominations for Earth Spokesman have come in, some in > Email to me, some posted to this newsgroup. I would encourage > readers to post nominations rather than send them to me, so that > the process can be observed by all interested parties. > (stuff deleted)> > And the nominees to date: > > Mikhail Gorbachev > Walter Cronkite > Bill Moyers > Xaviera Hollander > lightnin@wpi.wpi.edu > Leader Kibo > Cyrus Vance > Cicciolina > Dr. Timothy Leary > Mother Theresa > Pierre Salinger > Jesus of Nazareth > Pele > Stephen Hawking > Margaret Thatcher > Geoff Miller > Gene Spafford > Mel Gibson > Carl Sagan > Hilary Clinton > > The Dalai Lama > Clearly, some of these nominations were made with irony, or at least > humor, in mind. I have not dropped any nominations from the list, since > the intent of the respondent is often ambiguous. > > Nominations will remain open until 00:00 GMT Monday, 20 September, 1992. > > -- > Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly > rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ursa!buzz From: buzz@toxicavenger.bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth Message-ID: Date: 18 Sep 92 16:16:09 GMT References: <92260.154350SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Sep17.070422.263@ousrvr.oulu.fi> Sender: news@bear.com Reply-To: buzz@fsrg.bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc. Lines: 8 In-reply-to: tchilds@well.sf.ca.us's message of 17 Sep 92 17:51:35 GMT In article tchilds@well.sf.ca.us (Timothy Childs) writes: >I nominate Cyrus Vance. (Can't think of any other well-known >gov't official I have much respect for. He works for the UN now anyway.) Brian Eno and Peter Gabriel as Co-Spokesmen. Anyone in Bangladesh, Somalia, or parts of the former Soviet bloc that have been ruined by pollution. Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!unislc!erc From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!! X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 References: <15183@mindlink.bc.ca> Message-ID: <1992Sep18.224303.11439@unislc.uucp> Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 22:43:03 GMT Lines: 20 Colleen Anderson (Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote: : AH! I've been found out. Are there any other type of flick than cheap sci-fi : flicks. Truth is the clone theory was expounded by others but the research was : fun. Actually if clones, besides natural ones--twins, existed--in humans, they I am a clone. You are invited to verify this at your leisure. My designers have made several, uh, "improvements" ... such as improved immune system, improved longevity, better endurance and resistance to pain, etc. Also of special interest to the females of the race, my DNA is 100% compatible with yours. I am a bit longer and wider than the average human male in the sex organ department, and I can control ejaculation at will. I am also multi- orgasmic as well. You are invited to verify all of this at your convenience. -- Ed Carp, N7EKG erc@apple.com 801/538-0177 "This is the final task I will ever give you, and it goes on forever. Act happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love, and do what you will." -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!paladin.american.edu!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!rickg From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) Subject: Spokesman for Earth Update #2 (Friday 18 Sep) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 23:28:18 GMT Organization: Netcom - Connected to the World Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors Lines: 69 Names of nominees continue to come in as we search for a spokesman for the entire planet in official communications with other civilizations in the cosmos. Again, please post your nomination(s) if possible. If your nomination does not appear in the list below, please be patient. The realities of news propagation are that a particular article can take an indeterminate amount of time to reach a particular reader (me). To repeat an earlier correction: Nominations will be accepted which have a timestamp of 00:00 Monday, 21 September or earlier. After the close of nomination there will be a period of a week for the posting of reasons why a particular nominee should get your vote. And the nominees to date: Mikhail Gorbachev Walter Cronkite Bill Moyers Xaviera Hollander lightnin@wpi.wpi.edu Leader Kibo Cyrus Vance Cicciolina John Major Dr. Timothy Leary Mother Theresa Pierre Salinger Jesus of Nazareth Pele Stephen Hawking Margaret Thatcher Geoff Miller Gene Spafford Mel Gibson Carl Sagan Hilary Clinton Peter Gabriel and Brian Eno Steven Spielberg and George Lucas Boris Yeltsin Gary Stollman and John Winston "The Pope" The Dalai Lama Pee-Wee Herman Robert Redford Cindy Crawford Richard Nixon John Romer James Burke William F. Buckley Barbra Streisand Princess Diana Rick Gordon "Anybody but David Frost" Dizzy Gillespie Umberto Eco Johnny Carson Nelson Mandela Anita Hill Ingmar Bergman Samuel Ramey Aretha Franklin John Updike Frank Sinatra Nominations will remain open until 00:00 GMT Monday, 21 September, 1992. -- Rick Gordon | "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly rickg@netcom.com | and I did. I said I didn't know." M. Twain Path: icaen!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!portal!cup.portal.com!John_-_Winston From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Ley Lines Message-ID: <66149@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 18:11:17 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world References: <61006@cup.portal.com> Lines: 40 Subject: Ruins Of The 30,000 Year Old City. Part 9. He was taking a picture of an earlier model craft and was shown how it was going very fast through the atmosphere of the earth. Flames were even seen coming off of the outside areas of the older model craft. Now George said, "Now just watch how I can pass the older model craft up". He then went past the older craft at much greater amount of speed. The next video showed George in his space craft coming up close to a regular jet air liner and the Korean type people looking at him and taking his picture through the windows of the jet. He next went around the back of the jet in a circular motion. He then in an impish sort of way said "Now look at the jet pilot's face as it shows his fear while I fly along backwards in front of the jet and take the video". R. then told him that it was all very interesting but he'd like to take a ride himself. George then told him, "OK we'll go outside of Lancaster at night and I'll give you a ride". R. didn't really believe George and George was trying to get R. to work with George and his type of people. George clamimed to be part of a group of people who run the government from behind the scenes. He claimed that they put presidents in and out. He said they have meetings in a certain place in Australia to see how they would run the world. R. really didn't believe George but they did go to Lancaster, Calif. at night. G. said that his craft would be there in a few minutes. R. thought "Sure it will". A streak of light came out of the sky and just went out opposite of them. R. thought something had been going very fast and had just turned out its light. G. said, "The craft is over opposite us about one fourth mile or less away". They walked over to the area and the saucer shaped craft was landed on its landing gear. They went inside and there was no pilot. It had been directed there by remote control. It was big enough for two peole plus an area for two more people to sleep if they were present. G. was very cocky about all of this and explained how he had this craft made to his specificatioins. It didn't have any foot pedal controls like conventional air planes but he had them build it with a circular yoke like a person uses when they drive a self propelled lawn mower that you can ride upon. They took off and within seconds they were over the Gulf War that was going on at the time. R. couldn't see it because it was a great distance away so G. adjusted something so it could be seen up close. They didn't get close because it would have been suicide to get any closer. End Part 9. John Winston.